Women combat now true,guess who can be drafted?

jepic,

It depends on the strike used. a little kid can knock out the biggest adult if using the right technique, they certainly have the physical power to do so. believe me it doesn't take much to knock a person out even a tough guy. If done right it doesn't take much at all. Also, think about the old asian martial arts masters. they are pretty little guys and they can really, really jack someone up. even with one strike. hell bruce lee was only about 135 lbs.

First thing I think of are wounded women, or women becoming permanently handicapped. That and periods during combat/war has to be dealt with...and how?


I am woman.

Originally posted by Miraj
Men that continuously say that men are faster and stronger then women, well they probably aren't in a place to see that they're wrong.

On a daily basis I run about seven miles.. And I outpace any man I see, even the bros who clearly go through about three protein shakes a day and spend their time power lifting. Guess who out paces me? All the girls who are clearly hardcore athletes. There can be some disparities in physical strength, but I don't believe to the point that it matters.. I've seen plenty of women that are much better fighters than men. Sometimes being smaller is a complete advantage that most won't see.

I admire your spirit Madam, I really do. I once had a Commander in the Army who when I was a 32 year old Second Lieutenant (had to commission into a regular branch – in this case Military Intelligence) counsel me to work on my two mile run time.

He was an avid runner you see, weighing in at like a massive 120 lbs or so and all of like 5'3" he ran his two miles in around 10 minutes. I at 5'9" and over 200 ran about 13:45 certainly not the best but not bad. Anyway, I was already Special Forces qualified having attended the course as an enlisted guy. He used to whoop it up about how he could outrun an SF guy and all that. He could without a doubt smoke me at a two mile run.

Funny, though we had to do this road march every quarter or so. 12 miles in under 3 hours with 35lbs. See for me this is a joke. I did the march in under 2 hours and he finished around 2:30 (which is a good time btw) for anyone. At the end I waited to weigh my ruck knowing what he was going to say. He was going to give me the "35lbs is like 1/3 of his body weight speech". So he hung his ruck at 35lbs exactly... Then I hung mine at 70lbs.

As he walked away I told him as long as combat takes place on a track and in shorts and tennis shoes he might indeed win. However, being a combat veteran of SF I never left the team room for a mission with less than 100lbs of gear for some missions even more. The average infantryman carries about 40-60 lbs or more without even having a ruck. Paratoopers when jumping into combat can be carrying more than their own body weight including the 60 pounds of chute.

Regardless of his "wind" because of his size he'd never be able to keep up on a team.

It’s just a fact. Sorry. Combat is not 7 miles in tennis shoes and shorts. It’s with 100+ pounds of gear. We try to make it weigh less and less and we are getting better but fact is no one's body can carry more than half their body weight very long without serious detrimental effects - regardless of their condition or aerobic ability. The human body just will collapse.

That is why out of 12 guys on my A team at one time not a one passed the Army weight standards. Made body fat standards but never weight. Also, according to my BMI of 31 I am obese...loll. Right - even at 46 and retired for some time I still only have 14% body fat.

I don't see many women passing Ranger school or the SF Q course any time soon without some serious standard lowering. Even basic infantry school would be hard for 99% of women.

That said, I have deployed with some high-speed female operators in the field of intelligence and support (assigned to special mission units). In these instances they were invaluable for cover purposes and usually when it came to field craft they were really good at their jobs. However, in all instances these missions were while dangerous not direct action missions.

However good they were at their skills they were a novelty at best - you know why?

Because for a man to be in a special mission unit in the same position he’s have to be at least Ranger qualified if not SF as well. Also, they didn't have to meet the same pre-quall standards for a team physically.. Lower standards all around.

Until that changes they will never be accepted as a full team member.

Then there is the inevitable - on almost every mission to which I had a female operator there ended up being some sort of romance within the group. If it was a long mission often a love triangle too add to that. Usually extra-marital on at least one party’s part and always the source of tension and jealousy within the unit. No one wants a constant reminder around that they are not getting any.... It is just a pain in the butt to lead a unit to accomplish a mission through all that drama.

Sorry, this is going to be a nightmare - I am just glad I won't be there to see it.

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Originally posted by neo96
Don't really like this i mean after all war is all bout the bad,the ugly the damn right nasty and things you will never want to see including a situation where they could be raped.

If women were weak, always good, always beautiful, frail, little creatures, who needed the protection and care-taking of a man, then I can see how you might make the above comment. But they are not. We are not. We are the female of the species, each with our own individual traits of weakness and strength, good and bad, beauty and disgust, kindness and downright nastiness... And, as the facts illustrate, men get raped, too. A rapist is a rapist. And if a woman is at war, and she gets raped, she deals with it. Just like she does if she gets raped after work on her way home. We face rape all the time. We get raped all the time. So, if the threat of rape keeps a woman from wanting to join the service, she doesn't want it very badly and shouldn't be there anyway.

Lot of bad things happen in war if they want to go there far be it from any of us to say otherwise hope they fully understand what they are getting themselves into.

Lots of bad things happen in life. Trust me, there are plenty of women who wouldn't be able to handle the pressures of war. I wouldn't. But there are plenty of men who can't handle it either. And who should be making that decision for each individual? There's no one better to make that decision than each person.

It's just not right for the government to say, "OK, Men... You can each decide whether or not to join the service, but you women, we'll decide that one for you..."

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
jepic,

It depends on the strike used. a little kid can knock out the biggest adult if using the right technique, they certainly have the physical power to do so. believe me it doesn't take much to knock a person out even a tough guy. If done right it doesn't take much at all. Also, think about the old asian martial arts masters. they are pretty little guys and they can really, really jack someone up. even with one strike. hell bruce lee was only about 135 lbs.

Sorry. I wanted to add that no cheapshots are allowed. That means no hits to anything above the base of the neck or below the waist. And when I say "hit and let recover" I mean let the opponent recover until he is back in fighting position.

But you are right without these rules of no cheapshots and no recovery time woman has more chances to win.

Oh I disagree though that a little kid can knock out an adult. For me at least I'll say impossible.

We can have a whole platoon made up of straight women and gay men, serving in the front lines.

Then they won't distract each other.

Originally posted by karen61057
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So if something is not true 100 % of the time how can it be true at all.
No dear you just want to believe that there are things that a man can do better. Name something please, anything at all. And tell us why. Show your work.

I was generalizing. I'll name a few things for you. I always double check my work so hopefully you find it sufficient.

The fastest man in the world for a 100 meter dash is Asafa Powell (9.74 secs) and the fastest woman in the world is Florence Griffith Joyner (10.49 secs)
Fastest man faster than the fastest woman. However, as I said earlier not every man can run faster than every woman.

The current strongest man in the world is Mariusz Pudzianowski from Poland. Mariusz has won the competition in 2002, 2003 and 2005. Here is some information about Mariusz:

Mariusz Pudzianowski stats:
Bench Press: 275 kg (606 lb)
Squat: 360 kg (794 lb)
Deadlift: 395 kg (871 lb)

Jill Mills the Worlds Strongest Women can do a 600 lb squat and 350 bench.
Strongest man stronger than the stronger woman. AGAIN, not all men are stronger than all woman.

Women are more sensitive to sound than men. Not good for war.

Men are over 30% stronger than women, especially in the upper body. They have more muscle fibers.
Women are approximately 52% and 66% as strong as the men in the upper and lower body respectively. Men are also stronger relative to lean body mass.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

When a man is jogging at about 50% of his capacity, a woman will need to work at over 70% of her capacity to keep up with him do to intake of oxygen.

Research has shown that the average young untrained male will have a VO2 max of approximately 3.5 litres/minute (absolute) and 45 ml/kg/min (relative). The average young untrained female will score a VO2 max of approximately 2.0 litres/minute and 38 ml/kg/min.

www.mytreadmilltrainer.com...

Men’s skin has more collagen and sebum, which makes it thicker and oilier than women’s skin. Literally men have thinker skin. They are consequently less likely to puncture that skin.

Men and women have different levels of certain hormones; for example, men have a higher concentration of androgens such as testosterone, while women have a higher concentration of estrogen. High testosterone allow men to be less emotionally attached. Not so good when trying to be in a relationship with one, but helpful when shooting other people. I have no statistics, but logical reasoning would allow one to assume that this would make men less likely to suffer from PTSD (Again, someone please correct if I am wrong on this.)

Men have better distance vision and depth perception. Never been in combat, but I feel as if good sight is beneficial.

I hate the word equal. Men and women are not equal. We have differences both physically and mentally. Women have advantages at some things and men have advantages at some things. One is not inferior to the other, but this not mean that we are equal on every playing field.

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If women were weak, always good, always beautiful, frail, little creatures, who needed the protection and care-taking of a man, then I can see how you might make the above comment. But they are not.

So let's get this straight you know what i am thinking or the motivation behind that post?

Your omniscient? Nope

And, as the facts illustrate, men get raped, too. A rapist is a rapist. And if a woman is at war, and she gets raped, she deals with it. Just like she does if she gets raped after work on her way home. We face rape all the time. We get raped all the time. So, if the threat of rape keeps a woman from wanting to join the service, she doesn't want it very badly and shouldn't be there anyway.

Yep rape torture and abuse in civilian life is nothing comparable to what happens in a war zone.

Lot of bad things happen in war if they want to go there far be it from any of us to say otherwise hope they fully understand what they are getting themselves into.

This is what i said and someone tried to make an issue out of that post?

Why those words are damn clear to me

if they want to go there far be it from any of us to say otherwise

Whatever.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Hey the women want equality, give it to them but I do not want to hear one peep out of them. There are just some things guys are better at, and some women are better at. They work best as a team, night and day, male and female. Opposites that work best when married. Women do not even have the same rigorous training standards that men do in the military.

You really mistake equality. This is THE OPPOSITE OF EQUALITY. Do you know why????????? I DO!!!!!!!

I would never be drafted anyway. I would say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! With a BULLHORN. I don't like devls. I love them. I pray for them. But I would never obey or stand under them and be arresting them on sight even if it kills me because I don't suffer murdering baffoon fools gladly.

Now, EQUALTY MEANS YOU HONOR MALE AND FEMALE ENERGIES EQUALLY. IT DOESNT MEAN THE TOP DOG, PYRAMID INEQUALITY LOVING, COMPETIVE VIOLENT MALE (96% OF ALL MURDERS ARE MEN IN CANADA) DOG EAT DOGGERS EVERY GET TO CALL ALL THE SHOTS IN SOCIETY DECIDE TO RUN ILLEGAL CRIMINAL WARS, AND EVERY WAR IS, AND FORCE WOMEN TO ONLY BE EUQAL IF THEY GET HAIRY BOTTOMS AND YOU KNOW WHATS.

NAH, THATS NOT EQUALITY. IT MEANS THIS WORLD REFLECTS MOM AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS HEALED, LIVES IN HOMES, HAS GARDENS AND FOOD, ISNT FORCED TO WORK AND VALUES ALL THE CHILDREN.

MOM WOULD LOCK UP VIOLENT WARRING SONS IN HOSPITALS TO BE HEALED.


So men can keep their war mongling crapola to themselves and it better NOT impact one more child, one more mother or woman, or any more of nature, period period period to infintiy and beyond. AND YES I AM EQUAL.

well tell that to all the asians who do martial arts. they don't weigh much but a strike to the body by one of them can be crippling. Women can do some serious damage to a man even when striking to the body if they know the right techniques. A elbow shot for instance can be devastating. Fighting isn't always about brute strength. Technique and theory have a lot to do with it, although experience trumps just about everything in a fight.

But to get back to the point of the thread. It's not an issue to me whether women can fight when things are on the line. I already know that they can. women can if trained kick a full grown mans ass. they can also shoot just as good as anyone else.

To me the issue is pure over all body strength. you'll need it to carry your weight period. can most women readily carry around 100+ lbs on their back while hiking over adverse terrain while trying to keep up with their squad. If not then no they shouldn't be in certain types of squads or companies even.

Also, don't think that most guys have this intense body strength advantage either. Most guys even a lot of them that look tough and strong are pretty weak. heres a clue if you have a nice skinny waist a little butt and tinsy calves you are probably not as strong as you think you are. most american males tend to build up their body in an ass backwards manner. lots of bench press and curls. but the lower body (the part that creates 70 percent of your strength) tends to be underdeveloped and weak.

In reality, I consider any man that is not Mom's Best Friend to be a LESSER ENERGY.

Its about time! If they want equal rights (which I believe everyone should have) then give it too them. But DON'T cherry pick and just give them the good equal rights. They should get the opportunity to share every aspect that males do. And while we are at it, get ride of affirmative action. Thats more racist than me calling a black person the n word. Calling someone a name last 2 seconds, giving someone extra opportunites lasts a life time and is BULL#. We two people work just as hard, their skill color should not determine their opportunities!

I dont want anymore equality, Ive had enough.

Originally posted by Unity_99
In reality, I consider any man that is not Mom's Best Friend to be a LESSER ENERGY.

Not all Mom's are worthy of being a Son or Daughters best friend.

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I may have just fell in love with you.

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Obama says : "Equal work for equal pay, socialism is here to stay".

Guess that means we can let the women die now. They can make their own all female fighting battalion and call them the "Armored Amazons".

Originally posted by Unity_99
In reality, I consider any man that is not Mom's Best Friend to be a LESSER ENERGY.

Why do i get the impression this statement is an innuendo about cheap rubber sex toys?

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Hey the women want equality, give it to them but I do not want to hear one peep out of them

Nah, they only want "selective" equality, only when it benefits them.
They are no different than most other minorities that want to pick and choose which benefits they want and which they turn down.

Canada and many European countries had all roles available to women for years. You still dont see women as infantery in Afghanistan. Its like 1 in a thousand or so. Only the chance to come across a woman in call of duty or battlefield 3 is worse.

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by headorheart
Men are better at some things plain and simple. They are stronger and faster. I'm not saying every man is stronger and faster than ever woman, but the job should go to the most qualified. IMO, as far as the military goes, man is usually more qualified.

And that is a fair statement to make.. expectations should be the same across the board.. There are quite a few women who can do just as well as any..

Absolutely. I agree these spots should have been opened up to woman, but I disagree with the different qualifications for men and women.