Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

Originally posted by Brad Jones
Homosexual in one word, Abomination!

And shellfish.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
Anti christians are playing for keeps! wow

Can't say I (at least) am anti-christian.
I am anti-religion (lite version..I don't go into super mud slinging..but I will pull every thread I see loose).
Or, if you want to focus it..I am a bit anti-christianity (note the ity at the end...the organization of, not the people of)

Even some atheists have been choking on lucifer lately.

That makes no sense.
Atheists do not believe in God, therefore how could they believe in the structure of heaven (aka, Lucifer is gods general or whatnot, etc)

Side question...is Lucifer Satan, or is Satan Lucifers general. Ask 2 Christians this and you get 3 answers. Simple curiosity here...I really should read up more on that stuff (the lucifer V satan things)

Originally posted by DeafRaz
God's kingdom dont allow Gay, Thief, Liars and sex. u get idea. God's Kingdom not same as this world earth.

No sex in heaven?
Blah...will go elsewhere...what a dealbreaker.


Quick trivia for you. What happened to the thief on the cross next to jesus (might require you to crack open a bible).

Originally posted by RealSpoke

I think the best part of that photo is "Race mixing is communism".
Proving that even historically, people with communism fever have no clue what communism is.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Brad Jones
Homosexual in one word, Abomination!

And shellfish.

and tattoos. and pork. and round haircuts. and polyester. and footballs.

Originally posted by mythos

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Brad Jones
Homosexual in one word, Abomination!

And shellfish.

and tattoos. and pork. and round haircuts. and polyester. and footballs.

Actually, I may agree with the round haircuts thing...if the bowl haircut isn't an abomination, I don't know what is. And polyester...the 70s disco fashion proves that case.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Brad Jones
Homosexual in one word, Abomination!

And shellfish.

If you had to describe atheism in one word, what would that word be? This is a serious question, because even though I am tough on atheists, I know that they are not all alike. I don't think they can be described in one word any more than Christians, but how about we have a crack at it? Let's see if non-atheists perceptions match those of atheists.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Brad Jones
Homosexual in one word, Abomination!

And shellfish.

If you had to describe atheism in one word, what would that word be? This is a serious question, because even though I am tough on atheists, I know that they are not all alike. I don't think they can be described in one word any more than Christians, but how about we have a crack at it? Let's see if non-atheists perceptions match those of atheists.

My view? World view?

My view: logical
Popular view: Cynical
If someone said Atheism is just a cynical view. I wouldn't agree with them, but I can see how they have that perception given the loudest voices and stupidest voices pushing that view.

Other popular perceptions I accept (although disagree with as being the whole story): rude, angry, belittling, egotistical.

Marketing issues here...I hammer atheists often also..but there are not many on ATS actually. my sword is double edged in these matters as I want people to not feel threatened by the word to begin with (the religious has had a couple thousand years to drag the concept in the mud...so, the propaganda is very deep against it.

Add:
I have been waiting for the tit for tat thread to pop up as common in ATS: "Atheism in one word: ----"

Hasn't come (or came and disappeared immediately into the ether)

If they used an actual source, I wouldn't slam it...I fully agree there is a massive perception issue here and what is needed is a discussion on how to alter the perception without altering the message...
But then again, us atheists are logical and rational

reply to post by SaturnFX


Atheism is, technically, a cynical view...considering the primary justification is that "no caring God would do this kind of s**t to the world that He created."

Well, first of all...who says the Christian definition is accurate? The Christian god isn't the only possible god that can exist. Stop listening to the Christians and folow your heart.

Second of all, who here has kids? Sweet, okay. And when your kid was 8 years old, did you allow him/her to go biking? Do you make them wear all manner of armor before riding? No? Just a helmet, maybe knee pads...

What if they crash? Get cut? Scrape their elbows, or bruise their shoulders?

You give them a word of warning, and let them go. If they come back wounded, they'll be more careful, right?

That's what happens with God, by theory. Personally...I think God is not where we're looking.

reply to post by Starchild23


No, atheism is just a lack of belief, nothing more. I just can't understand why that's so hard to accept and understand without making so many stupid and senseless generalizations about them.

It's the exact same thing as people not believing in Santa Clause, or Unicorns, or dragons. Yet people accept that some people can't believe in those things.

It's not a faith either, because having faith in something means you believe in a higher power that is supernatural that can not be proven to exist in any way shape or form. When theists declare atheism a faith they are defeating themselves.

Think about it. Don't assume and don't just go by what the theists say and assume.

Ask them what they believe, don't tell them, and let it go that some people are just not going to believe in god.

reply to post by EvilSadamClone


Lack of belief, or a belief in the lack of something?

Lack of belief is lack of an opinion. Having an opinion that something is nonexistent requires a presence of thought, which becomes belief.

In your sense of logic, one could easily argue that not believing in unicorns is atheism as well...after all, lack of belief can apply to lots of things, right? Or is that acornism?

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Atheism is, technically, a cynical view...considering the primary justification is that "no caring God would do this kind of s**t to the world that He created."

I would call it skeptical for accuracy. Cynical is not a per-requisite of atheism.
The no caring god, Actually, I can see perfect valid reasons for a neutral deity, or a life is pain, good god, but doing things to mature us (more grows in valleys than peaks).

I don't disbelieve in deities because bad things happen to good people. I simply don't see any evidence that leads to belief in a deity. Personally, I quite like the concept of a nice and loving god that cares about me..that would be awesome. But then again, I also think having a flying horse would also be awesome. no proof, therefore belief is unnecessary.

I entertain many notions

I also do have -some- beliefs based on things without evidence..but it has to make sense to me. aka, I believe there are alien species out there that could appear very deitylike in regards to technological and evolusional advancement...but, that doesn't make them a deity...just makes them advanced (not that that in itself doesn't merit some form of marveling and respect given).

I believe in "ghosts". no clue what a ghost is..but I have had subjective experience and exposure to paranormal events that, after years of trying to figure out, can only be identified as a ghost experience...not sold on it 100%, but it seems so far the easiest label to give it.

My views can (and often do) change with new evidence or ways of thinking.

I would like to think I have a typical mindset of an atheist...but, its difficult to box in this group...you got far too much diversity...the only common thread from atheist to atheist is simply not believing in a god.


aka, technically you got it wrong. But I can see how you may have been lead to that understanding. Atheism has a perception/marketing issue...due in no small part to the idiots using atheism to justify their cynicism.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Now THAT I can agree with.

Besides, no one can agree on any definition of god, considering their main definition describes an infinite concept that our finite minds have no hope of grasping, and yet they claim that they grasp it completely.

Anything they cannot grasp... they "don't need to".

reply to post by Starchild23


So you're a Samurai then?

Bushido is a belief.

If you know nothing about Bushido yet have a belief about it already.

How interesting.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by EvilSadamClone

 

Lack of belief, or a belief in the lack of something?

Lack of belief is lack of an opinion. Having an opinion that something is nonexistent requires a presence of thought, which becomes belief.

In your sense of logic, one could easily argue that not believing in unicorns is atheism as well...after all, lack of belief can apply to lots of things, right? Or is that acornism?

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Theism belief in a deity...very specific here
atheism is therefore a lack of belief in a deity.

not believing in unicorns means your just skeptical...however, if there was a widespread unicornitarian movement, chances are, specific new words would be created for this, and opposing words.

its just not big enough to merit new language being invented for it...so, the general skeptical label can be argued

incidently, a atheist doesn't have to be skeptical for all things...hell, they may be the most non-skeptical person ever, believing in anything, be it fairys in the garden, or nazi's in their soup.

reply to post by Starchild23


Incidently, I am a bit upset that your thread, Science, Our New God didn't trend.
I quite liked the subject and thought it more deserving than this for trending here. some good depth of questioning...but I guess people are more interested in talking about gay stuff than science stuff...bah.

I am going to be doing a trans-humanist thread (bit of a debate thread with a christian) where it pits (slightly) religious and privatists against progressive technologists...
the concepts you put forward (AIs don't have souls) will be coming up...things like that. I do hope you weigh in when it pops up, as you appear to have a opinion on the matter.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Theism belief in a deity...very specific here
atheism is therefore a lack of belief in a deity.

Considering you cannot prove that a deity does not exist, it's actually a belief in and of itself. If I were to say there is a rare stone, the very last of its kind, that cures cancer, could you say there isn't? No, because you cannot prove it.

The same applies to atheism...you cannot prove you are right, you simply BELIEVE you are right.

Hence, atheism is a belief. If you need more proof...

a·the·ism/ˈāTHēˌizəm/
Noun:
The theory or belief that God does not exist.

The most widely accepted definition of atheism. Why must you insist that lack of belief is not, in itself, a belief? It cannot be proven! Anything that cannot be proven is an opinion, and therefore a belief.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Count me in on it. I may link my own thread where it is concerned, if that's alright with you.

reply to post by Starchild23


Good response.

If yee endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sonnes: for what sonne is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Christians view God as the Father. Christ told us that God was his Father.

The law of karma becomes the disciplining action when the soul is out of alignment with the Will of God and Cosmic Law.
When people who meet their returning karma feel angry, they are getting angry at their own abuses which have returned to them to teach them how their actions affect other parts of life. Then they may say oh how could God be so mean....it is a lack of understanding.

The atheist who uses this argument that God could not possibly care about a creation where he allows bad things to happen is someone who does not understand returning karma or the discipline of God.
Indeed, even believers in God can often feel that there is something wrong or out of kilter when atrocities occur in the world.
This is not to say that all atrocities are just returning karma. We cannot always know that. People can truly be victims of another's misuse.
God gave us free will.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Theism belief in a deity...very specific here
atheism is therefore a lack of belief in a deity.

Considering you cannot prove that a deity does not exist, it's actually a belief in and of itself. If I were to say there is a rare stone, the very last of its kind, that cures cancer, could you say there isn't? No, because you cannot prove it.

The same applies to atheism...you cannot prove you are right, you simply BELIEVE you are right.

Hence, atheism is a belief.

I think your getting confused in linguistics.

I cannot prove there is or is not a deity.
Fair enough
I cannot also prove nor disprove there is a man named joker that lives in a mountain in japan wearing a red sweater right now..

there may be
but there is no proof available to say one way or the other.
So, for now, what good does it do for me to therefore assume there is and make a care package of cookies and milk for joker, the red sweatshirt wearing dude in the mountain in japan?

Thats what god is.
there may be one...I do not believe there is no god..that is belief
I just do not believe in one (however, evidence may change that)
I also do not believe there is a man in the mountain...but if it concerned me, I would go check it out.

Science has went to check out the man in the mountain story (aka, checked to see if there is a god) and found no evidence..therefore, so far, there is no reason to believe in a god.

therefore belief is lacking
do not believe in a god is just lacking belief...not believing there is none.