Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

reply to post by SaturnFX


Ow you ignorant soul.

There are no people of any faith who are more accepting of human beings, regardless of whatever...

Those who you talk about are not Christians, as Christians are taught to love and not hate.

Do a research about how Muslims or Jewish people look at homosexuality and be ashamed that you would ever claim that the Christian faith is anti-homosexuals.

It's amazing what you un-read people claim about the Bible as truth. UN_FREAKING_BELIEVABLE!

Moral of the story: Religions are just overall bad. People who are inherently good will be good even if there's religion or not.

Any type of religion is a noose around humanity's neck, unless their holy books are re-written to be 100% good and have nothing negative in them. If they have one negative line, its junk and should be burned.
The fact that Westboro can exist and quote stuff from the bible is bad enough. If the text can be skewed that much... there's a problem.
I mean, there IS good stuff in the bible... just it needs a serious overhaul.

Luckily most religions will hopefully be wiped out over the next century. I wouldn't mind if one evolves that only encompasses spreading true love though... that's one I could follow.

Originally posted by rom12345
Biology is Anti-Homosexual.
Don't get you nickers in a knot over many peoples', very natural reaction, to this, and other mal-adations.

Actually if biology was truly anti-homosexual, it'd sterilize them. But, it doesn't.
In addition we can take science and turn our entire species lesbian, eliminate men, and we'd still be able to reproduce through artificial techniques -- if not now, we're very close.

I think the OP is rather unfairly being attacked. The content of the OP is taken from a survey -- fair enough, OP is only the messenger. The problem for Christianity is that it's been hijacked by bigots who are full of hatred for anyone not like themselves, and they are pretty vocal about it. True Christians, the kind who try to live a good life and be Christ-like in all they do, are all but drowned out by these nutjobs. True Christians I have no beef with and know a fair few who are absolutely lovely. I don't see the fundamentalists and Biblical literalists as true Christians. I see them as fakers and liars. I assume when those surveyed gave their answers, it was the fake, loudmouth, hateful "Christians" they had in mind.

It's unfortunate those both groups are tarred with the same brush but the same goes for gays, who are for the most part seen as lisping, limp-wristed, assless-chaps-wearing Blur Oyster Club types. The same goes for lesbians who tend to be seen as a group of butch diesel dykes in comfortable shoes and with short hair. All of these groups of people going toe-to-toe are generalised and stereotyped so perhaps in future we shouldn't refer to these fundamentalists types as Christians because they absolutely are NOT.

reply to post by celticdog


The Dalai Lama is a Buddhist monk, very devout. However, his statement is taken out of context in this instance.
If you go by what is written, then according to the Dalai Lama, all sex is banned, as it is written and according to strict adherence and belief. However, he has also admitted, that such has to be determined in by the individual, not by an organization. Further he has stated that ultimately Buddhism calls for respect, compassion to all, not just one group or the other, but all people, including homosexuals.
In 1994, he was interviewed by OUT magazine, where he was asked to clarify his point of view. He stated:

"If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"


He has further pointed out that society should not discriminate against gays and lesbians, but rather respect them from a secular point of view.

It's still freighting how people still rely on a book to instill values that was written thousands of years ago and it's a Federal issue. Can we drop this already? So what if gays can marry, let them, it's disgusting how these people are being oppressed. What is exactly going to happen once gay's marry? Is the sky going to fall? Or are Christians really about oppressing people? What happened to love everybody? What happened to "Thou shall not kill"? Organized religion for me is the biggest load of #.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
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Yep
Not truth, not morality, not hope, none of that.

Its simply associated with being anti-homosexual, or the club for homophobes.

When asked by The Barna Group what words or phrases best describe Christianity, the top response among Americans ages 16-29 was “antihomosexual.” For a staggering 91 percent of non-Christians, this was the first word that came to their mind when asked about the Christian faith. The same was true for 80 percent of young churchgoers. (The next most common negative images? : “judgmental,” “hypocritical,” and “too involved in politics.”)

So Congratulations to the religious leaders and outspoken religious folks out there...your message of not liking "the gay" is heard loud and clear.
And also congratulations on completely isolating any potential future for your religion..lose the youth, you lose it all..

Later research, documented in Kinnaman’s You Lost Me, reveals that one of the top reasons 59 percent of young adults with a Christian background have left the church is because they perceive the church to be too exclusive, particularly regarding their LGBT friends. Eight million twenty-somethings have left the church, and this is one reason why.

I am not saying Christians should rewrite their bible, but rather, its time to put perspective on it.
Being gay is one sin, which is alright should you accept christs sacrifice
So is lying. People lie all the time.
And lets say you somehow are without sin, you are STILL going to hell unless you do the catch all, which is ultimately just accepting christ..right?

So, you lot got a choice...kick out the old fogies whom are banging their fists on tables saying we gotta hate "the gay' because they are all gay n stuff, and install some reasonable minded young ones whom see being gay about as damning as telling someone those jeans don't make them look fat (cough)....focus on the sin, and your just a bunch of judgemental jerks...focus on the love of christ and his sacrifice for all the people and the idiotic things we do, and you may win some back over time (once you shut up your anti-gay idiots).


-not gay, don't care either way what others do, but bigotry is bigotry..and its a (well deserved) dying trait that deserves no respect or attention-

edit on 15-5-2012 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)

I think it deserves at least 2 words: Western Civilization

God commands Christians to multiple (have children) and cover the Earth. Gays are pretty much useless in that department. Seems pretty simple. It's pretty selfish to think "because I was born this way" then every single person must except it. If homosexuals are born like that, then there's a scientific argument to be made that so are pedophiles. Should we just accept that too?

Originally posted by KnawLick
God commands Christians to multiple (have children) and cover the Earth. Gays are pretty much useless in that department. Seems pretty simple. It's pretty selfish to think "because I was born this way" then every single person must except it. If homosexuals are born like that, then there's a scientific argument to be made that so are pedophiles. Should we just accept that too?

This tired old argument again. Can you show me where the unwilling victims are in a mutual, loving, gay relationship? Pre-pubescent children don't have sexual desires but paedophiles force their attraction upon those children. Two adults loving each other is entirely different as you well know.

Why do you care what others are doing? As long as they are not hurting others I do not meddle in their affairs. Jesus was about forgiveness and worrying about your own life. Those without sin cast the first stone. Did you notice in that biblical story that everyone dropped their rocks and went home because no man is without sin. As a christian I really get tired of those that consider themselves holier than thou. No man is better than another.

To be gay and a christian to me is contradictory.You have to deny who you are and push that part of you away to please others.If you just go by the new testament there is still one quote in Romans 1:26-27.Romans was written by Paul and to some there is a belief that Paul was repressed gay individual.It is almost like some politicians that are anti-gay and turn out to be gay themselves.

Originally posted by celticdog
To be gay and a christian to me is contradictory.You have to deny who you are and push that part of you away to please others.If you just go by the new testament there is still one quote in Romans 1:26-27.Romans was written by Paul and to some there is a belief that Paul was repressed gay individual.It is almost like some politicians that are anti-gay and turn out to be gay themselves.

I agree with you up to a point. The fake Christians DO have to do exactly what you said or risk being an outcast but real, true Christians know that Jesus preached love and respect for all and live their lives by that. It's the fakes that decided to ignore that part and concentrate on hating others.

Actually it is unnatural to be "gay". Im more of the agnostic type by the way. But the fact and it is a fact, that the act of sex is to breed. Mating is the whole reason and only method to produce a child in mammals, artificial insemination is just a pseudo way of creating the end result of mating so its still the same. That is the reason why the male naughty parts are perfectly made to fit to the lady parts and if done at the right time in the right way a child is possible. We happen to be lucky that it feels so good to do this act. Im a dude so thank goodness its this way. But it would have been "better" if it didnt...then we wouldnt have the overbreeding of the irresponsible like we do. But that is another topic. Still any act of sex that does not only involve a male and female that can result in a child is unnatural. Just speaking technically here, as again Im a dude and any stimulation to the man parts is a good thing. So 95% of us are perverts so to speak, but the homosexual is going against all natural biology and physiology. Any animal that exhibits gay actions its a dominance thing, not a full out 2 males trying to mate with each other for long periods of time as a couple....

Im really not tryin to beat up on gay people at all, just saying that technically it is not a natural thing. With all the perverted crap the church is splattered all over the news for doing, you would think they would leave this alone. But I can kinda sorta see the angle they are using of what I stated, sex is "suppose" to be to have babies only and 2 of the same sex cannot do this, so its not right in their eyes.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Listen, I grow tired of this. I graduated top of my class from West Point, highly educated, seeker of truth, and the truth I've come to is Christ. If you don't like it, don't prescribe to it. I don't care...fine. But the Lord God on High has issued instruction to humanity, and it was simple, don't stick your penises in others buttholes. Sounds about right to me. I've had more gay friends than I can count, and I love everyone of them. I don't judge them because the Bible also tells me not to do so. I just love 'em. Still, the instruction for behavior is clear. If you hate instruction, sound instruction...you're simply disobedient. That's all. My faith has nothing to do with your hatred of goodly governance...

reply to post by SaturnFX


wow you really opened a can of worms with this thread

Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. He did, however, hang out with 12 other men all the time and they all sat on the same side of the table while eating thier supper.~ Stephen Colbert

Quick question Christians.....

Why did God place the male G-spot up his bum?

Originally posted by Wiz4769
Actually it is unnatural to be "gay". Im more of the agnostic type by the way. But the fact and it is a fact, that the act of sex is to breed. Mating is the whole reason and only method to produce a child in mammals, artificial insemination is just a pseudo way of creating the end result of mating so its still the same. That is the reason why the male naughty parts are perfectly made to fit to the lady parts and if done at the right time in the right way a child is possible. We happen to be lucky that it feels so good to do this act. Im a dude so thank goodness its this way. But it would have been "better" if it didnt...then we wouldnt have the overbreeding of the irresponsible like we do. But that is another topic. Still any act of sex that does not only involve a male and female that can result in a child is unnatural. Just speaking technically here, as again Im a dude and any stimulation to the man parts is a good thing. So 95% of us are perverts so to speak, but the homosexual is going against all natural biology and physiology. Any animal that exhibits gay actions its a dominance thing, not a full out 2 males trying to mate with each other for long periods of time as a couple....

Im really not tryin to beat up on gay people at all, just saying that technically it is not a natural thing. With all the perverted crap the church is splattered all over the news for doing, you would think they would leave this alone. But I can kinda sorta see the angle they are using of what I stated, sex is "suppose" to be to have babies only and 2 of the same sex cannot do this, so its not right in their eyes.

Unnatural....? The entire human life style by your definition is 'unnatural'. If you really want to get back to nature then go out into the woods naked and start living off raw flesh and berries.

Almost every advanced mammalian animal species that exists engages in behaviour which can be classified as homosexual. There are many recorded cases of individual animals who engaged in exclusively homosexual behaviour. Please don't try and tell me that a non-domesticated animal living in the wild engaging in instinctual behaviour is committing an 'unnatural' act. Animals do not engage in sexual behaviour with the intent of making babies. They do it because they have an inbuilt instinctual urge which has been present within them since puperty to engage in such acts.

The male 'naughty bits's also fit perfectly up the anus and in the mouth. The female tongue fits perfectly in another female's naughty bits. What does this tell you?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
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Yep
Not truth, not morality, not hope, none of that.

Its simply associated with being anti-homosexual, or the club for homophobes.

When asked by The Barna Group what words or phrases best describe Christianity, the top response among Americans ages 16-29 was “antihomosexual.” For a staggering 91 percent of non-Christians, this was the first word that came to their mind when asked about the Christian faith. The same was true for 80 percent of young churchgoers. (The next most common negative images? : “judgmental,” “hypocritical,” and “too involved in politics.”)

So Congratulations to the religious leaders and outspoken religious folks out there...your message of not liking "the gay" is heard loud and clear.
And also congratulations on completely isolating any potential future for your religion..lose the youth, you lose it all..

Later research, documented in Kinnaman’s You Lost Me, reveals that one of the top reasons 59 percent of young adults with a Christian background have left the church is because they perceive the church to be too exclusive, particularly regarding their LGBT friends. Eight million twenty-somethings have left the church, and this is one reason why.

I am not saying Christians should rewrite their bible, but rather, its time to put perspective on it.
Being gay is one sin, which is alright should you accept christs sacrifice
So is lying. People lie all the time.
And lets say you somehow are without sin, you are STILL going to hell unless you do the catch all, which is ultimately just accepting christ..right?

So, you lot got a choice...kick out the old fogies whom are banging their fists on tables saying we gotta hate "the gay' because they are all gay n stuff, and install some reasonable minded young ones whom see being gay about as damning as telling someone those jeans don't make them look fat (cough)....focus on the sin, and your just a bunch of judgemental jerks...focus on the love of christ and his sacrifice for all the people and the idiotic things we do, and you may win some back over time (once you shut up your anti-gay idiots).


-not gay, don't care either way what others do, but bigotry is bigotry..and its a (well deserved) dying trait that deserves no respect or attention-

edit on 15-5-2012 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)

Christianity is not anti homosexual, it is anti sin. God has said that sexual relations are to be between a man and a woman in a marriage. Other types of sin are unmarried sex between a man and woman, adultery between a man and woman who are married to someone else. Then there is sex with animals, and so on. Sin is disobedience to God's will. So if you are an active homosexual you are living in sin. If you support those who do such things you are actually in sin making war on God and you will lose in the end. The Bible tells us this. So to again state the truth. Christianity is not anti homosexual but anti sin. There you go.

Originally posted by Evildead
Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. He did, however, hang out with 12 other men all the time and they all sat on the same side of the table while eating thier supper.~ Stephen Colbert

Some things need not be said because they are known and have been taught about often enough.

Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Quick question Christians.....

Why did God place the male G-spot up his bum?

That's not the male G spot, it's what you think is a G spot. It doesn't make it so.