The Truth about "New Agers"

reply to post by RisenAngel77


TPTB are certainly not controlling the movement. And to call it a movement is almost not fair. It's a personal journey. You can either be led (like sheep) or you can lead your own way. If you let the TPTB lead your journey, you won't ever find truth. If you let your instincts lead you and only let good energy resonate, you will get there. It took me going through the darkest times of my life, but once I got "there" (as in a state of mind commonly associated with the new age movement), my life has been nothing short of incredible. I had not even heard of the "new age" movement when it happened. It's beyond a movement, and quite frankly beyond anything that can truly be described in written language. The best way I can think to describe it is a feeling of complete control of the world around you, and a knowledge that no matter what, you can connect with the positive energy around you. Once you connect with this, you realize this energy connects you to every living thing around you. You see life for its similarities rather than it's differences. Depression goes away, anxiety goes away, fear goes away and doubt goes away. It's a spiritual awakening. And mind you, I have NEVER been religious. It's an incredible thing to discover. I hope you find it one day because it's the closest thing to heaven I can imagine possible :-)

Originally posted by anno141
The whole discussion is pointless because the "new age" conscept is much too vague to begin with. It is like heaping Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism and other "old" religions together and calling them "old age".

I'm a "new ager" but I doubt anyone commenting on this specific topic will have similar beliefs and have come to the same spiritual convictions that I have. Some day I'll write about it, but not today. I'll say one thing regarding the topic of "new age" though: "Beware of the bringers of false gifts and their broken promises, much pain but still time, there is good out there, we oppose deception."

That's because the united nations did that before. Remember their predecessors, the "club of rome". What did rome do to christianity? Did you happen to notice they celebrate yule, which is a pagan holiday?

They take aspects of every religion to try and ensnare more and more people into it, and when the romans had done it, it turned out to be highly successful. The elites are using this tactic once again, as it is tried and true.

I can't stop stressing just how dangerous occupy really is to humanity.

If the state were ever to try and use occupy as an excuse to declare martial law then you'll know that it was planned in advanced and the GOVERNMENT is just engaging in an outrageous power grab as the facilitators of these movements are members of organizations that are paid with government grants and gifts from mr. soros and his NGO networks.

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I don't think you know what I believe, friend.

Here is why I am so confident.

It doesn't matter what you "believe", because beliefs are based on faith and assumption not evidence.

You can believe anything, and that sets you up for being factually incorrect.

If you have any beliefs at all, question them, find flaws in them, put them to the test and challenge them with new hypothesis.

If you refuse to develop or advance your understandings, and prefer to relish the tired old beliefs you had yesterday than suit yourself.

But that's not me, I want to find the truth about humans, our history, and where we are going.
So please forgive me if I start rejecting all of my prior beliefs (and other's beliefs) and start fashioning new critiques that lead me to further refinement of my understanding of my surroundings.

I don't want to believe anything, and every time I find myself believing something I try to question it and see if I really have any logical foundations for that belief in the first place.
I want to know things for sure without any doubts, and few things can be known in that regard.

But just because few things are knowable doesn't mean I should reject knowing anything and just wallow in beliefs without having solid foundations for them.

Originally posted by seberhar
reply to post by RisenAngel77

 

TPTB are certainly not controlling the movement. And to call it a movement is almost not fair. It's a personal journey. You can either be led (like sheep) or you can lead your own way. If you let the TPTB lead your journey, you won't ever find truth. If you let your instincts lead you and only let good energy resonate, you will get there. It took me going through the darkest times of my life, but once I got "there" (as in a state of mind commonly associated with the new age movement), my life has been nothing short of incredible. I had not even heard of the "new age" movement when it happened. It's beyond a movement, and quite frankly beyond anything that can truly be described in written language. The best way I can think to describe it is a feeling of complete control of the world around you, and a knowledge that no matter what, you can connect with the positive energy around you. Once you connect with this, you realize this energy connects you to every living thing around you. You see life for its similarities rather than it's differences. Depression goes away, anxiety goes away, fear goes away and doubt goes away. It's a spiritual awakening. And mind you, I have NEVER been religious. It's an incredible thing to discover. I hope you find it one day because it's the closest thing to heaven I can imagine possible :-)

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malarky.

And I'll have you know everywhere I've looked I've seen the same pattern. So have other people google greg renouf he's done excellent research into occupy vancouver and occupy toronto. Everywhere I look if I dig deep I find nothing but shill tentacles.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Just because I'm alive does not mean I strive to be "Number 1" at everything. What is "Number one" anyway? It's just a title. Who REALLY needs it?

reply to post by TheLastStand


Why are you talking about the Occupy movement, may I ask?

Originally posted by TheLastStand

Originally posted by seberhar
reply to post by RisenAngel77

 

TPTB are certainly not controlling the movement. And to call it a movement is almost not fair. It's a personal journey. You can either be led (like sheep) or you can lead your own way. If you let the TPTB lead your journey, you won't ever find truth. If you let your instincts lead you and only let good energy resonate, you will get there. It took me going through the darkest times of my life, but once I got "there" (as in a state of mind commonly associated with the new age movement), my life has been nothing short of incredible. I had not even heard of the "new age" movement when it happened. It's beyond a movement, and quite frankly beyond anything that can truly be described in written language. The best way I can think to describe it is a feeling of complete control of the world around you, and a knowledge that no matter what, you can connect with the positive energy around you. Once you connect with this, you realize this energy connects you to every living thing around you. You see life for its similarities rather than it's differences. Depression goes away, anxiety goes away, fear goes away and doubt goes away. It's a spiritual awakening. And mind you, I have NEVER been religious. It's an incredible thing to discover. I hope you find it one day because it's the closest thing to heaven I can imagine possible :-)

uncoverthefakeroots.wordpress.com...

malarky.

And I'll have you know everywhere I've looked I've seen the same pattern. So have other people google greg renouf he's done excellent research into occupy vancouver and occupy toronto. Everywhere I look if I dig deep I find nothing but shill tentacles. And I'll also add, this movement is here just to usher in global government, global currency, smart meters, rfid id's, more government control, communism, green-eco-fascism, since it is totally backed by the elites.

All of these soros ngo's employ the same bloody facilitation and consensus models, they all take "meeting minutes" and have the same systems. This is not a co-incidence it is the employment of "consensus creation" which beverly eakman broke down into very simple terms how this process is designed to make people believe that a pre-chosen agenda was one of their own decision.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by b3l13v3


That's not what I'm talking about.

Answering a question with a question is not contradictory.

Saying "doing what you think is right" and then stating "there is no right or wrong" is contradictory.

reply to post by FaceLikeTheSun


Doing what you think is right is right, as long as it does not hurt others. Sound a bit better for ya?

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


I am tying in the occupy movement because I've noticed many of it's followers happen to be of this religious inclination. It isn't a co-incidence there's way too many of em.

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Well then you condemn exactly what should be condemned, kinda.

And I wasn't offended by any means. Yeah, the universal order is what I follow.

I've had a lot of weird, paranormal things happen to me in my life, and as I started seeing the patterns stuff started happen to what I can best explain as synchronicity, ending up in off-shoot random places where exactly what I was thinking earlier began happening before my eyes, a psychic connection so to speak.

Universalism is essentially a basic form of monotheism. It is very simple and mathematically based so therefore logical.

By becoming aware that when all things are added together they become one thing, you will find basic truth.

What had happened historically is that people began to "separate" things, and would revere individual objects as all encompassing entities (when that is mathematically fallacious). People will say idolatry is bad, but then get down and worship at the feet of a statue (Mary, Jesus, etc).

I wouldn't really put "psychic phenomena" as part of the "New Age Movement" but instead it is a specific potential scientific reality. It may take a hundred years or longer of intense study to actually prove if psychic phenomena is real beyond any doubt though.

Just because these groups tend to be interested in something like that, doesn't falsify it by any means. However the abusive methods in which many defraud others through faking such things and presenting them as fact, they are committing individual acts of treachery. I won't hold any group accountable for the crimes of an individual however, that would be irrational.

reply to post by b3l13v3

Once again, I do not have a religion. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop implying I do. I do not have a doctrine, either. Unless you consider doing what you feel is right a doctrine, sure - however I'd consider it common sense personally.

Then what is the point of this thread? To me, it's all religiosity, dogma, and the pushing of your beliefs. You claim to be freeing yourself of ego when it's your ego that's writing these posts. If you told me your intention behind your OP, I wouldn't need to imply, because so far it appears as dogma and the pushing of your own doctrines on others.

Also, I don't recall calling it the truth. I accept it may be nothing at all.

"The Truth about 'New Agers'"—it's right in the title.

Originally posted by seberhar
reply to post by RisenAngel77

 

TPTB are certainly not controlling the movement. And to call it a movement is almost not fair.

Money controls it just like it controls everything else.

It is a movement, because if you are not in a movement sitting there alone coming up with original assessments of reality around you, you are not associated with this.

There are 1000s of known cult groups that believe all sorts of things, but one common feature can be determined among nearly all of them, and that is hierarchical authoritarianism.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Well sir I don't think we have any differences because I do believe all things are one and believe exactly as you speak, and I did view your thread about Babylon etc. and I find that what I "know" is virtually the same as what you do.

I understand you may dislike the word believe, but when there's no known method of explaining what I know, then I must believe that I know what I know, because it holds no face value and is purely personal, which coincides with interpersonal considering the amount of friends who experience similarities.

reply to post by muzzleflash


that is the sound of human progress looking like the cogs on a mill . steadily making a pile of refined product, good on you

reply to post by TheLastStand


Ok, I'm a "new ager" and I support the Occupy movement as well. As far as the PTB being involved, I seriously doubt it because the Occupy movement is very anti-status quo.

Originally posted by FaceLikeTheSun
reply to post by b3l13v3

 

That's not what I'm talking about.

Answering a question with a question is not contradictory.

Saying "doing what you think is right" and then stating "there is no right or wrong" is contradictory.

There is certainly a right or wrong.

Example : Robbing or killing me = Wrong.

By stating "there is no wrong" they are justifying every sort of criminal action conceivable.
If there is no wrong, that means the Holocaust was just fine as it was, not good or bad, it just is. Right?
Nope, Wrong.
Mass murder is wrong no matter which way you slice it.

Let's take a scientific approach, what makes something "wrong"?
Survival Instinct I bet.
If it harms our survival odds in any way, we consider it "wrong".
If it promotes or benefits our survival odds we consider it "right".

This seems to apply extremely well.

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Well sir I don't think we have any differences because I do believe all things are one and believe exactly as you speak, and I did view your thread about Babylon etc. and I find that what I "know" is virtually the same as what you do.

I understand you may dislike the word believe, but when there's no known method of explaining what I know, then I must believe that I know what I know, because it holds no face value and is purely personal, which coincides with interpersonal considering the amount of friends who experience similarities.

Touche'. And I concede.

You know you would probably be really fun to talk to in real life.
I realize the limitations of time and keyboards, so I can safely assume that you are much more sophisticated intellectually than what our limited posts can possibly reveal.

Thank you for addressing things and being willing to discuss aspects of this subject rationally.
That is a rare trait and you should keep it!

reply to post by TheLastStand


Yes you are correct, the populace was more inclined to accept it if they got to celebrate their pagan holidays. Who is Santa Claus for instance... We celebrate the birth of Jesus with a guy dressed in red, thus both looking like and having similar name to Satan, Jesus also spoke against materialism and we keep buying presents in celebration of him. What are we, stupid? Christianity has also been changed a lot during history, even reincarnation is said to have been removed according to my religion teacher, back in the days, who was a priest.

OWS has been bought, their "official" webpage is (at least was) censoring all the important topics, like the FED etc. And keeps bringing about the class warfare George Soros so "valiantly" warns us about, which actually is their plan since someone needs to take the heat.. they don't want it to be them. So let's blame all the rich bastards who got lucky and got a break in this corrupt system. That being said, it was not planned by TPTB, they just corrupted it, defiled it... because that is what they do. Those filthy old geezers.

Change is however needed. I believe the only chance for peaceful revolution is Ron Paul no matter what you think about his policies. The system must be demolished for it to be rebuilt, as it truly needs to be.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I have a certain respect for those which display such logic and deductive reasoning as yourself, I am employed in the science arena, after all

And yes, I believe you'd probably have a lot more to inform me about than I would for you, but philosophically speaking I can be quite the conversationalist.