What do you believe?

Hello ATS,

I have been viewing ATS now for about 1 month and I must say it is very interesting. This forum is my favorite although I would personally only believe about 2.5% .

Basically this post is about believing in aliens and ufos. Ok, if you believe they do exist, does it really matter in day-to-day life? Basically, my viewpoint is most people go about their daily matters - wake, work, go home, sleep (insert eating, leisure and other stuff in between). If aliens and ufos do exist, does it really affect our lives? Perhaps on a larger scale, (society-wise) yes but individually, no (unless you were 'abducted' or witness a strange ET event). On the other hand, if they do not 'exist' the enigma does affect our society more on an entertainment level (movies, books, etc).

Believing that the government has contact with these said aliens and are not telling the public may affect your life to a great degree (paranoia, anxiety, concern), in the end does it really matter? If this is true, will the goverment ever disclose this to the general public? My guess is no. Even if an individual has definate proof beyond doubt, the current inclination of the general public and all skeptics will bury this 'proof' until it seems absurd. The government is much more powerful than any 'one' individual unless they rally others to the cause (unfortunately this has happened before to false information, many cults I guess have formed this way).

Personally I prefer to sit on the fence on most matters, alien-wise and not. My belief system changes daily, and the only aspects which appear to stay intact are the basic moral aspects (thou shalt not kill, etc). I attempt to stay skeptical on most matters, and most of what I read I take with a grain of salt. In saying this, I will tell you of some experiences which I can explain with uncertainty:

1) Grade one, saw small specks travelling slowly overhead distant in the sky. About 3-5 followed each other, each seen one at a time. Answer: sattelites?

2) Whilst travelling home in a car passenger side, looked up and saw a flying object with green, blue and red lights. Reminsicant of the triangles often discussed but this looked like a rectangle with a pointed end. This was quite strange. It stayed constant with the car speed. About 300 metres in the air. Answer: aircraft? blimp?

3) This one I'm convinced I cannot readily explain through normal circumstances. While travelling home at night, I looked out the read window (me being a passenger, 3 other witnesses). I saw what appeared to be a fireball hovering above a house (about 10 metres, the object was about 1 1/2 metres in diameter). I quickly disregarded it as a firework until it started to slowly move directly over the road. I turned to the witnesses (my 2 sisters and a Japanses exchanged student), and asked "What is that?". They couldn't explain it either. Answer: naturally occuring fireball?

4) Again, a passenger travelling to Cabarita (nice surf btw), during daytime. Saw what appeared to be a plane, but it was uniformly gray. It did not appear to move at all. Answer: model aeroplane? Don't think so, it appeared to have the same size as a normal aircraft. Weird.

When young I had dreams of ufo's and once or twice I actually boarded these craft. I can explain these due to TV .

My belief atm about ufos and aliens are they are an affect from satan, after reading (I know I shouldn't believe everything I read) that satanic ritual abuse and alien abductions are greatly linked, and quite often people cover up their past memories with other things, ie satanic rituals, alien abductions. I realize the people do believe they have been abducted, with physical proof. I do not doubt this, nor do I believe it (me sitting on the fence again). This isn't a popular belief I know, but that is where I am atm. I respect all people's beliefs on the subject. I apologize if I have bored anyone with this post lol.

Conclusion:

Do you believe or do not you believe in the existance of aliens and/or ufos? Why do you believe? How much does it matter to you? In the end is living a fulfilling life more important than uncovering the 'truth' about conspiracies and the like?

- Nazgarn

PS - This is my second post. My first post didn't go through (alien conspiracy perhaps?). It made more sense as I wasn't tipsy when I wrote it. C'mon, I'm Aussie.

Update:
- Reworded the 'matter' question
- Renamed the title of the post

[edit on 30-9-2004 by nazgarn]

[edit on 30-9-2004 by nazgarn]

Hello Nazgarn, here's my answers to your questions.

Do you believe or do not you believe?

I believe.

Why do you believe?

Perhaps it's just the thought that, in my opinion, with all that's out there, how can there not be anything else. There is us, and there are other species on this world, so how would other life elsewhere be so far fetched? I believe because it's what feels like truth to me. Yet, I've never seen or been beyond the sky myself... Strange and yet familiar sounding, no?

Does it really matter?

Probably not. But I suppose it all depends on what you're trying to matter.

In the end is living a fulfilling life more important than uncovering the 'truth' about conspiracies and the like?

I believe that it's more important to find the truths which are true to yourself before anything else. If they are in conspiracies, then seek them there. I cannot see anything more fulfilling that finding ones own truth.

LifeIsElsewhere

[edit on 30-9-2004 by LifeIsElsewhere]

Here's what I think (I reserve the right to change my views at any time).

First, I believe.

Why?

Two reasons. My one and only personal sighting (detailed in many threads here, but one of these days I'll make it a separate one), and the mountains of evidence of it.

Ok, if you believe they do exist, does it really matter in day-to-day life?

Yes, it does. Pondering the universe, how it works, are we alone, being aware of the world around me...I may be working, eating, whatever, but I still think about such things. There is a difference between LIVING and EXISTING....I choose the former.

Believing that the government has contact with these said aliens and are not telling the public may affect your life to a great degree (paranoia, anxiety, concern), in the end does it really matter?

Absolutely. If they are lying about this (which evidence all but proves they are), then what else are they lying about? If such tech has been recovered, why are we still running on fossil fuels? Of course it impacts everyday life, every time I slide my card into a gas pump!

I attempt to stay skeptical on most matters, and most of what I read I take with a grain of salt.

As do I. Most of what's out there is bunk...but there is also a lot of truth as well. For me, this is found when different sources start saying the same things, when it's obvious one source wasn't aware of the other...(or at least plausible). I'm a big fan of the paper trail, and expert witness testimony (high-ranking military, etc.)

I believe that is a probable possibility and that is all. I have never seen undeniable proof first-hand or second-hand and I am not the type of person to just go along with someone else's word on the matter one way or the other.

With that said, why can't I be the one to meet an alien!?!

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."-Albert Einstein

This quote has something to do with my affinity for the unknown. Yes, I do believe. There are too many unanswered questions on earth, and while remaining a tad skeptical is good for anyone, remaining close minded and trying to ramble everything off in mathematical equations is good for noone.

Why do i believe? I believe because it's a feeling i have in my gut when i go trudging through volumes of the unexplained. It's a feeling you get when you look up at the stars. It's a sort of esoteric "knowing".

in my opinion, the real reason why people dont believe is because they only look at it from 1 perspective, like why dont they reveal themselves? everyone should believe that there is other life but whether they believe that the life is here in UFOs is upto them, they would rather go with the secret military aircraft than believe somthing like abductee's stories

[edit on 30-9-2004 by janjaso]

Originally posted by janjaso
in my opinion, the real reason why people dont believe is because they only look at it from 1 perspective, like why dont they reveal themselves? everyone should believe that there is other life but whether they believe that the life is here in UFOs is upto them, they would rather go with the secret military aircraft than believe somthing like abductee's stories

The same thing could be an argument for trolls, fairys, ghosts, unicorns, the nephilem, god, the boogieman, sock gnomes and just about everything. Does that mean I should believe in all of them?

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

The same thing could be an argument for trolls, fairys, ghosts, unicorns, the nephilem, god, the boogieman, sock gnomes and just about everything. Does that mean I should believe in all of them?

No, but you should accept the possibility that, in an infinite universe, these things may in fact exist.

Originally posted by nazgarn

Do I believe?

Yes, of course. However, it is not "belief" in the literal sense of the word; I know.

Why do I know?

It is intuitive, logical and common sense, in addition to this, there exists an insurmountable body of evidence for their existence. For me, it is a very simple concept to grasp: "People on other planets" Even logic dictates that it is infinitely likely that alien life exists.

Why should it be known?

Expanding consciousness

The knowledge of ET alone, does not enhance my daily life in any way. However, it does open my mind and allow me to think outside of the box. This expands the boundaries of my observable universe, bringing greater meaning to my existence and elevating my state of consciousness.

The Thirst for Knowledge

Man, has since the dawn of time, asked these life philosophical questions "Who am I", "Where am I from" "What is my purpose" "Where do I go" and has always felt incomplete, empty, lifeless. The existence of ET is an opportunity to shed some light on these age-old questions, to seek knowledge from a more enlightened race, to encourage us to live. The same way we seek knowledge from enlightened people. Knowledge, as once recounted to Arjuna by Krishna in the Bhagvad Gita, is a path to salvation.

Integration into the universal consciousness and cultural evolution

There exists a whole universe of infinite realities, infinite realms, infinite dimensions, infinite consciousness, there is so much to see, to experience and to learn - to live - yet we choose not to leave our doorstep. Instead we choose to exist
Nevermind aliens, there is so much we have to learn on Earth, yet again we choose not to leave our comfort zones.

A Golden age of mankind

The technology and spirituality that the ET's bring to us, could help bring about an age of equanimity, prosperity and peace to all of mankind and to our planet. Look at the incessant wars we are fighting, the highly stressfull, meaningless and painfull lives we are leading, our insatiable greed for possessions, materials, for money and power, our enslavement by the powerful and rich, and the systematic poisoning of our planet. Why wouldn't we want it?

Deadly weapons that threaten humanity, the planet, space and fabric of the universe

Should we just sit back and turn a blind eye, while the government uses the ET technology to create weapons that assure our destruction, and destroy others in space, or completely tear apart the fabric of the universe, bringing wide-spread destruction to others. As a responsible and decent human being, and a child of the universe/creator, I could never turn a blind eye to that. We are at a cross-roads as a species, to choose light(creation), or to choose the dark(destruction) and our government has chosen the dark for us, and kept us in the dark about it, this is against our free will and our humanity.

The Truth

This is a truth, that every man and child should learn. It is our right to know. Thousands, even millions have put their lives at stake, in disclosing this truth. Let's not let their efforts go invain.

Why do some not believe?

Ignorance, unawareness, stupidity, underdeveloped minds, lack of self-control and mind conditioning. Their minds are not capable of understanding or accepting the truth, in the same way a child cannot understand or accept truth. They need to develop before they can understand, it will happen in their own time. I do not judge them for their lack of intelligence.

[edit on 30-9-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Do you believe or do not you believe?

I beleive

Why do you believe?

As many other people say this, we are not alone out there. It is just hard to get your head around it.

Does it really matter?

It might matter to some, but not to some. To some I mean, Alien beleivers, people who beleive in Aliens. And some people might not even find all this "alien life and UFO's" interesting.

Will we ever know the truth?

My beliefs on this subject are just simply wow, an advanced race travels billions of light years amongst the stars to come down to this little planet and start anal probing the populace. I mean what are the odds of them finding this kind of life amongst the billions of stars and Galaxies. And if you have been abducted I take my hat off to you for surviving the ordeal, whether anyone believes you is inconsequential to your experience. We are all entitled to see, feel and believe whatever we choose - it's called free will.

I guess most abductees aren't posting to make people believers, more they are sharing an experience with us all and we should all respect that.

Do you believe or do not you believe in the existance of aliens and/or ufos? Why do you believe? How much does it matter to you? In the end is living a fulfilling life more important than uncovering the 'truth' about conspiracies and the like?

Yes, I believe.

I'm not sure why I believe. At a very young age, I was reading every book available on UFO's. Betty and Barney Hill, J. Alan Hynek (sp?), etc. I saw something very unusual at the age of 15, I believe was a UFO.

Living a fulfilling life more important that uncovering the 'truth?" How is it possible to live a fulfilling life without knowing the truth?

I believe, and don't know why. The reason I keep searching.......

I've had a couple good UFO sightings in my life and know our governments lie as to the existence of such things. I have seen no extraterrestrials, or at least I have no conscious memory of seeing any.

Its my opinion that extraterrestrial visitation has gone on for a very long time on this planet. Perhaps since its inception. Its not exactly visitation really rather than non-human beings emerging from their local places of hiding to study this planet and its unwitting inhabitants. For what reasons I am unsure, but they are here. It seems to primarily be a mission of nature conservation.

Why nature conservation? Many UFO reports by the most credible of witnesses have the objects examining or destroying nuclear weapons technologies. Nukes will wreck the planet if we do set off a ton of them. Abductions fit this scheme as well, IMO. Human conservationists capture, treat, and release wildlife in a subversive manner so as to subject the animals to as little stress as possible. I feel the situation is reversed in cases of abduction and the fear humans get from these encounters is the same as that felt by wildlife who have no idea what is happening to them or why when humans take them out of their natural settings. These examinations could be for any number of health checkup reasons or even just to tag/monitor human activities. There seems to be very little death resulting from abductions though there are a few report with some dead humans. Since there does seem to be a large amount of humans who are left alive after these encouters I don't feel these beings are actually going around killing too many people. Human/ET encounter reports also seem to fit this pattern as well. People usually get frightened by their encounters, but are mostly left with anti-war or nature conservation messages if communication takes place.

Its my belief that there is little to no cooperation between ETs and our governments. There are too many reports of people seeing planes chasing UFOs or government types killing or attempting to kill ETs with very little in the way of consentual help between either groups. I think our governments are just trying their damndest to keep the subject under wraps. Just as the extraterrestrials do. The only thing our governments are attempting to do is just to keep ETs away from the public eye by any means possible and likely killing, torturing, warning any/all ET groups to get away from the planet by whatever means they have at their disposal. Most likely using reverse engineered ET tech to do so. Our governments and the rich that run them love to control the little people such as us. Revelations as big as ET visitation would wreck that, so of course they will hide it to retain control over us.

The origins of man I really have no clue on. I'd say its just as likely we are naturally evolved monkeys or that there is extraterrestrial influence on our existence.

As far as spirituality. I have no idea. My life travels have led me away from belief in anything of a spiritual nature. Some ET reports do have aliens giving spiritual messages, but just like humans, it could be baseless theology of the sort we are used to on this planet from our own religions.

In our lifetimes I do feel there will be some sort of galactic intervention to stop the mess humans are making of the planet and of each other. Our governments certainly won't be the ones to disclose the subject, ETs will. And they absolutely have that ability if they so desired. The time will come though, I am sure of it. They are so interested in keeping this planet (experiment?) going that an overt showing will have to be done to get us to stop wrecking the mudball they love to observe.

Does it really matter to you?

Absolutely. I want to know what the hell is going on. Being left in the dark yet knowing something is going on is an extremely frustrating position to be in for me.

In the end is living a fulfilling life more important than uncovering the 'truth' about conspiracies and the like?

Life is meaningless. At least that I have seen. Given meaning only on an individual basis. So living a "fullfilling" life has no bearing to existence. Life is whatever you want it to be given its extremely limiting constraints. I'd say finding out the truth would be a very helpful thing and lead to a more fullfilling life than living in the world we do now.

[edit on 1-10-2004 by heelstone]

On the subject of UFOs, here's a link to some opinions from World Leaders and Officials, United States Presidents, U.S. Congress, U. S. Military, Astronauts and Cosmonauts, Scientific Witnesses, International Testimony, Testimony of Public Figures such as:

"If you look into the sky in the early morning you see them playing tag between the stars."
Muhammad Ali witnessed UFOs on at least two occasions.

www.bibleufo.com...

i believe in extra terrestrials, and that they have visited or may still be on earth.

proof for me - the pyramids, though many have tried to explain their construction nothing seems to satisfy how they were made

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I do not believe in them. I am aware that they are here, and have been around for several millenias.

Trust has to start somewhere and I choose to belive in (many) people. I know some people lie, some make up stories to enthrall an audience, but just as many tell the truth of what they withnessed. So I have no choise but to accept the fact that we have guests from other planets flying about earth. I concider withnesses as proof when there are so many of them.

It matters to me as I am sure they have facts about things we still only have theories about, like how the univers came into being or how dinosaurs actually looked like.
The truth always matters. But of corse one have to live as one must no matter what.

What really intrigues about the whole pyramid scene is this:

500 years prior to building the things we where chasing our dinner across the desert plains throwing sharpened twiggs at anything with more legs than us. Then marvelling at the magnificent discovery of fire.

500 years later on we experience a desire to build moutainous, perfectly geometrical sandstone buildings in the middle of nowhere.

Originally posted by scorchio123
i believe in extra terrestrials, and that they have visited or may still be on earth.

proof for me - the pyramids, though many have tried to explain their construction nothing seems to satisfy how they were made

I used to believe in aliens , ghosts etc etc but after following up on message boards and scouting around the internet im starting to dissbelieve
- its not that i think youre all mad - just a few of you

Originally posted by acidhead
I used to believe in aliens , ghosts etc etc but after following up on message boards and scouting around the internet im starting to dissbelieve
- its not that i think youre all mad - just a few of you

You think all of the hundreds of photo evidence of UFO's are all fake?