Somebody with computer imaging analyzis skills please tell me what this is

Okay, I saw your edit to your OP, and now the photobucket has several photos with many lights. Care to explain which one exactly that you want explained? The one near the lower right is a street light. Please link the ones you want us to analyze, and point out the mysterious objects. Thanks in advance.

I have used an Android app for some time now (most used on my phone), it is called Google Sky Map.
If you see a light in the night sky and do not know what it is just point your phone at it, and the app will tell you if it is a known planet, star, etc.

So if your looking at Venus, you will know with this app, you do not have to be logged on the net either to use it, only to download in the first place.

Google Sky Maps is a great tool for any sky watcher, because if you do see a U.F.O. then you can get your bearing as to it's point in the sky, using the app and seeing where stars, planets are in conjunction to the U.F.O.

Hope this helps.

P.S. do not know if certain apps are made for certain countries, see hoping it is avaliable everywhere, if not, it should be, because it might help shorten the list of people mistaking venus or other planets, for U.F.O.s

reply to post by Ahmose


"eta: but just judging by your words alone, I'm thinking a planetary body." Please, go face palm yourself.


However, your mention of the drop down box app is the first time I have ever heard of it. Luckily I do have wifi so I will get this app. That was a helpful suggestion. I would get rid of apple, but then I need a replacement for listening to music at the gym, so that is the only apple product I own. Nothing against apple though, I am just not big on spending money.

reply to post by colz2000


I have a phone, so I am not buying an Android. However since it is an app, is it possible to download this for an ipod? This may very well be the answer I need.

reply to post by Druid42


I labeled all the pictures and wrote "object below text". Sorry I did not know that could be done and I kinda figured that most people would have realized to look at the center of the pictures(It's fixed). The only reason the object in the pictures is not directly center is so that everyone has something else in the picture to compare it too(I have read this is important). Also I thought everyone would be capable of figuring this out without an explanation, my apologies I should not assume anything.

There are no street lights visible in the picture, just the light that it cast on the ground; as a result of the street light being slightly off to the right out of frame. I did label all the lights in one picture in particular so I hope this clears up any confusion.

I already mentioned how nothing was good enough for everyone, as if I am a damn millionaire with twenty years in photography. You want a high resolution picture, then how can I do this with the tools I have? I have already listed everything in my arsenal.

Please do not misunderstand, I am not asking every Tom, Dick, and Harry to tell me what they THINK IT MIGHT BE, but rather someone with some background or that can at least say, "I think it is a turtle, BECAUSE OF ..." Getting one line responses with nothing to explain why people are coming to these conclusions is not helping me. This was not entirely directed at you,

I'm not an expert in taking night photos but even I can't tell what the object is either. Can't make out whether or not it is a star or an aircraft of some type. It's too pix-elated to make out what it is. It also appears that whatever it is in the center of the photo has a motion blur due to where it was taken at night. I will go further on to say that the camera was not mounted to a tripod at the time the photos were taken. Judging by the blurriness of the houses in the background. It appears to me that the camera was not stationary when the shutter was pressed and the released.

It's possible that it could be something extraterrestrial but with these photos and the quality of the image. It is really difficult to tell if it is something that is man made or not.

reply to post by Timical


The best thing would be to use a good camera, but if you cannot maybe you can configure what you have to take the best possible photos.

Then you can upload those photos (without any text on them, please) to ATS, just click here.

Judging by the position relative to the horizon, it could be Venus.

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Sadly I do not have another camera. The only thing I can do now is probably take a video of it. But this will cost me money as I would have to have the pictures on the camera developed before I can make room for the video(so sayeth the wife). I will not delete the photos until then because that is not worth being in hot water with the misses over, if you are married then you probably understand this concept.

The only reason I put text on the pictures was because everyone claimed they could not see anything. I will try your method next, however I have already set the camera to capture the best possible image as per the advice received already on this thread. Like I said earlier, I am no millionaire and other than taking a video I believe I am out of options. I am starting to think this is one of those, "You had to be there to see it" type of things.

As for capturing more pictures tonight, ready for the excuse...... it is raining. Oblivious I have no control over the weather but maybe someone affiliated with H.A.R.P. can put in a request for me. If anyone has trouble understanding the weather, well I could take another picture for you or you could search on the internet and see for yourself. Have you ever heard of Murphy's Law? It seems to be taking a toll on everything.

reply to post by gimmefootball400


That is correct, no tripod present. "Judging by the blurriness of the houses in the background. It appears to me that the camera was not stationary when the shutter was pressed and the released." So what I did to fix this, was I placed my elbows on the railing that obviously would not be in the frame. I know for a fact, that there is AT LEAST one picture with no blur on any objects. It is pretty easy to identify, you might have missed it. It is one of the Ipod pictures.

The blurry picture that I know for a fact is blurry, was labeled as such. The rest of the Ipod pictures look pretty darn constant to me. So I can't really call those blurry. In fact I think it is pretty easy to identify the several straight, non blurred lines, in the photos. It is the object that seems blurry to me, and not a whole lot else. Leads me to think that the object is moving, not me. But hey, I am no expert either, just trying to explain my point on view as I have been doing along. Please do not take any of this personal, I assure it is not. I also appreciate your rather detailed response in comparison to some of the other replies.

I never said it was extraterrestrial, I did say it is not an astral body. I have provided plenty of information for anyone to figure that out. I do not see how people are still saying it is Venus. Because it is bright? There has to be more to explain this.

I know it's frustrating, but hang in there. Most of the time we are vicious, and would tear your OP apart, call hoax, and this thread would wind up in the hoax bin.

I'm not feeling that from you. You've stuck to your OP, have provided new photos, and answered all our questions.

Here's what we have so far:

The clearest pic:


Another pic, with perspectives:


The other pics are linked HERE.

While scanning the smaller pics in the photobucket, it becomes clearer that the object in question does transverse the sky. A full battery of time lapse pics would help to show that. I have no proof it's Venus, and I'm speculating as well. I'm being fair.

There's a phenomena called atmospheric lensing, which would be able to explain the flickering, the disappearing, and reappearing. It can be attributed to all kinds of visual phenomena.

The puzzle I am trying to address is why the same object is in the same position in the sky for over a year. I wonder.

Originally posted by Timical

I never said it was extraterrestrial, I did say it is not an astral body. I have provided plenty of information for anyone to figure that out. I do not see how people are still saying it is Venus. Because it is bright? There has to be more to explain this.

Since you can't get the app for your phone-do the next best thing. Download www.stellarium.org...
set your location, then the next clear night set the time for when you will be outside. Print the screen and match it up with what you actually see. At least that way you can eliminate known objects and have a better idea of the location of what you are seeing. Under the landscape option, I use "ocean" to have a clear horizon. I had to play with it a while to get the settings right, but I'm a slow learner. If you already have stellarium, just disregard this post.

Originally posted by Timical
reply to post by colz2000

 

I have a phone, so I am not buying an Android. However since it is an app, is it possible to download this for an ipod? This may very well be the answer I need.

I have just checked with a google search, and cannot find sky maps for other than android phones, but a couple of other suggestions by iphone users are, Planets, and Star walk.

Not seen these myself, but maybe worth a try.

reply to post by Druid42


In short, thank you. I can not express how much this has been on my mind. It is in plain sight all time yet I keep running into problems. However you posted those two pictures on the thread, , I could not figure it out so I really appreciate that gesture. You mentioned a phenomena, this is freaking awesome. Exactly what I have been looking for; a possible solution that I have not yet considered. Star for you. I admit, I have not looked into it yet, however I will have some more time later on in the day and will do so then.

You mentioned that smaller(cell phone I believe) pictures indicate that it was moving. I tried to see if I could see that also, but I have no idea how you managed to pull the pictures up side by side or however you did that. If you could, please tell me how it moved.

Behind the scenes of this thread I have been speaking to someone about this trying to reach a solution. This person came up with the best, most obvious idea yet. When the object is out, drive a couples miles around time and take photos to get a different vantage point. How the crap did nobody, including myself, manage to think of this. Regardless, I am going to be doing this from Friday through Sunday if the object is out and I will the locations of where the pictures were taken so that I get better feedback.

Also, I had the awesome idea a few hours after(do to this thread keeping me up for hours past my bedtime) receiving the previous idea, to... are you ready... USE THE IPOD TO CAPTURE VIDEO. How come nobody thought of that one either?!?!?! So far I believe that the Ipod is capturing the best pictures, plus it has video capabilities, so this is going to be my main tool for gathering the pictures while driving around but will also use the Sony camera as a back up (Unless someone knows why I should not, because I don't). I need to know how or if someone has a way to either post or analyze the videos I get. If you can figure it out, then you get first dibs on the material to make an educated proposition as to what it may be. You have no idea how freaking excited I am now that these two ideas have came to surface.

As for everyone else, thank you for not being rude and bashing the thread. Personal note to you Druid42, I admit every time I saw on my profile that you were the last person to comment, I think, "oh great, it's Venus again" But seriously, thank you everyone for hanging in with me to help figure this out. Please keep giving ideas.

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Awesome idea, thank you. I suck with technology so this might become a hassle, however it helps as I assume it will, then I will do it to the best of my ability and inform this thread of any problems while using it. I really am sorry to everyone that I am not a genius when it comes to this stuff, but if it is irritating you, then you can only imagine how it is driving me insane. If anyone knows of a better website or app please let me know. Thank you every one for your contributions.

As for Colz2000, I do not know what those are or if they are accessible on a Ipod, but I will look it up. Thank you.

Originally posted by Timical
This person came up with the best, most obvious idea yet. When the object is out, drive a couples miles around time and take photos to get a different vantage point.

That will only show some difference if the object is relatively close to you, so if it's an object that is, for example, 100 miles away from you, you will not be able to know it, unless you travel several miles perpendicular to the object.
(Assuming I understood the idea. )

USE THE IPOD TO CAPTURE VIDEO. How come nobody thought of that one either?!?!?! So far I believe that the Ipod is capturing the best pictures, plus it has video capabilities, so this is going to be my main tool for gathering the pictures while driving around but will also use the Sony camera as a back up (Unless someone knows why I should not, because I don't).

I couldn't suggest that because I didn't know that an Ipod has video capabilities, but, most likely, the video will be worse than the photos, as in all cases I know.

I need to know how or if someone has a way to either post or analyze the videos I get.

I'm sure we will at least try.

If you get any videos, try to upload them to a file hosting server, to avoid conversions from the original format to any Internet video format like FLV, used in YouTube videos.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Timical
This person came up with the best, most obvious idea yet. When the object is out, drive a couples miles around time and take photos to get a different vantage point.

That will only show some difference if the object is relatively close to you, so if it's an object that is, for example, 100 miles away from you, you will not be able to know it, unless you travel several miles perpendicular to the object.
(Assuming I understood the idea.

)

It will also only work if the object doesn't move. I did a quick cross-eyed stereo 3-D image using the photos above, and you can't really deduce anything from it. Maybe it's far, far away. Maybe not:

Got an airport in that direction? Or behind your location?

I had a similar experience myself, seeing 3-6 seemingly "stationary" lights in the sky frequently in "formations", until I found out they were planes coming into the airport from across the lake.

Trust me, if they are there regularly, there's nothing to be excited about. Don't mean to be a buzzkill.

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I need someone to U2U me who has the programs for locating the sky objects. It is out right now, I have a video from the Ipod and a picture from the camera. I have someone behind the scene who said that they have a server to upload the video to, so I will email that person the video. If anyone else can do this, let me know, I will send it to you as well (the more the better). Now just for everyone's understanding of what has happened so far, I have been outside playing with my kids since 4:30 p.m. and have been looking up in the sky every ten minutes and this thing just popped up about 15 minutes ago. I have no idea where it came from, it is just there. I will be taking photos every 30 minutes with the Ipod so that I can note any changes in it. I am feeling lucky tonight.

The video may take some time to get a link to because I have no idea when the person I talk to is online, so please(I know, I am sorry) try to be patient.

As someone suggested it being a airplane, well I already listed why I do not think that is true. Could be, I just honestly do not think it is.

reply to post by Blue Shift


I have no idea what you just said other than you could not really get anything from trying. Thank you for your efforts.

Just took another video using the Ipod, This one may have some clues because I swear I can see it moving and phasing in and out(I can not see any clouds around it but that does not mean they are not there, someone let me know after they analyze it please). Tonight is going to be awesome.

UPDATE: I have a third video and am going out now to get the fourth, the videos are in the process of attaching to an email for me to send them.