Why Have So Many New Age Religions Been Created by Freemasons?

Originally posted by HardToStarboard

Originally posted by dusty1
reply to post by 1nOne

 

TextJehovah's Witnesses: Charles Taze Russell 33rd Degree Freemason (1879)

Interesting to note, each one of these "religions" denies the divinity of Christ.

We don't believe in a Trinity.


I believe that Jesus is the Son of Almighty God

He had a pre human existence, and was sent by God, to the earth, as a replacement for Adam.

Jesus died for the sins of mankind.

Jesus is now the King of God's Kingdom, and will bring this Kingdom to the earth.




I don't really get involved in politics, but if you put a gun to my head and made me vote,



I would cast my ballot for Jesus Christ.

I've always been curious about the LDS take on Christ's divinity. You state in a belief that he was the Son of God, but do you believe he WAS/IS God?

And as far as Smith being a mason there certainly seem to be a good number of masonic references in LDS ritual/ceremony. I recall watching Big Love with my wife one night (yes, I know, perhaps not completely accurate in every respect of the church) and they showed one of the characters going through some temple initiation or ritual. At the time I was a mason and I was literally astounded at all the references in mormon ritual lifted directly from masonry. I remember reading how the LDS church was upset with HBO and Big Love for portraying the particular ritual. Interesting stuff, though.

Goodness. I just realized you were referring to JW and not LDS.

Anyone here a Mormon and care to comment on the question I posed?

My grandaddy was a surgeon and a 33rd degree Mason.
He made money from his farm in order to do his medical work for free.
Who knew he was so evil?
Maybe I should check to see if he quietly started any new age religions without me knowing

reply to post by 1nOne

Well, you broke the rules, you're going to get sanctions placed for doing it. Or do you think yourself above the laws of the forum? Even I have received them. Nobody should be exempt.

Many Masons I know are small business owners. I'm a soldier and know of a few Masons who are soldiers. I'm also a full-time student. In America at least, they can protest all they want, but we have Constitutional rights and I'd like to see some anti-Masons try to interfere with my rights because they'll find out how bad of an idea that was. It's not a threat, just a promise that I will defend myself.

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot

The Lodges that allow women into it are clandestine or irregular Lodges and I do not recognize them as Freemasons. These same kinds of Lodges don't follow the traditional regulations of Freemasonry and thus for the most part is not the same.

Now under the Masonic family umbrella there are female organizations that are recognized such as the Daughters of the Nile, Social Order of the Beauceant, Order of the Amaranth, Order of the Eastern Star, and I'm sure I missed one other.

reply to post by emsed1

Being the first Mason in my family, my dad is a cop and a former EMT. My mom worked as a substitute teacher, waitress, a baker, and now is a CNA trainer at an assisted living home. This guy doesn't know who what he is talking about so I wouldn't worry about getting too riled up over his diatribe.

reply to post by 1nOne

I don't underestimate at all. I've blown through your understanding of the "history and inner workings of Freemasonry". Your beliefs are based on bad information.

reply to post by GeorgeH

Yeah, some anti-Masons come on here from time to time and mega-post the same thing over and over and over again.

It can get tired, annoying, and confusing for everybody.

reply to post by Saurus

I learn something new everyday. Thanks Brother.

reply to post by BIHOTZ


This "Grand Hailing Sign" business: this would only apply to Masons for starters, and there are also some other qualifiers. It's not quite so simple as a Brother will give the sign and receive help in every situation. In something like this case, it's unlikely that the individual give the sign could be saved, and a Brother would not be obligated to place himself in danger if he felt that it would not help.

Again, I don't think Smith was a Mason. I am fairly certain that he received a copy of ritual through an expose ( an unauthorized obtaining of ritual). He may have been though, I just don't know right now.

By the way, I am fairly new here. I should qualify myself as a Member of the Fraternity. I do understand the nature of the site, with the conspiracy and all, and enjoy hearing it! My goal is to enjoy it, and possibly be helpful.

Thanks, and be well.

Originally posted by 1nOne
Jehovah's Witnesses: Charles Taze Russell 33rd Degree Freemason (1879)

Interesting to note, each one of these "religions" denies the divinity of Christ.

Charles Taze Russell was never affiliated with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Joseph Rutherford created the JW organization after Russell died. Russell preached against the claim of any 'outward organization" to be the true church.
See:
Russell Was Not the Founder of the JWs
Russell and Catholic


Charles Taze Russell was never a member of the Freemasons' organization either.
Was Charles Taze Russell Affiliated With the Freemasons?


Russell did not deny the divinity of Jesus; he did show from the Bible the Hebraic usage of the words that are used for deity and divine, etc.
Russell and the Deity of Christ

As above, so below! It seems to me (as a non mason) that if all you want to do is look for examples of "evil" masons that you will most certainly find it. You are also blinding yourself to all the good men and good deeds. I think the important thing to understand is that you have to take each soul separately when reviewing. Because the creator endowed us with free will there's bound to be bad decisions made.

Go look at the role of freemasonry during WW2. The Nazis were going to every lodge they could find, snatching the member lists and rounding up and shooting freemasons FIRST then they started on the jews. But wait...didn't Hitler want "new world order"?

I may be "profrane" but from my understanding, Novus Ordum Seclorum is to be taken on a spiritual and moral level. Why put in a prison state infrastructure when the hope of centuries is that men and women across the globe REALLY wake up, not to some kind of masonic conspiracy, but to the fact that Government is only a necessary evil until man is capable of governing himself. It truly would be a New Age if people stopped letting NEGATIVE ENERGY and bestial lusts control their divine conscience.

Unfortunately I'll probably never see that in my lifetime.

I leave you with a pretty amazing passage from the readings of Edgar Cayce:

"A great number of individuals formulated into groups who have declared specific or definite policies will be questioned as to purpose and as to the ideal. Some of such will be drawn into coalition with questionable groups.
Hence this is not, in the immediate, the time for the joining definitely with any individual group's activity other than that which stands alone on Christ and Christ's principles.
For, with those changes that will be wrought, Americanism - the ism - with the universal thought that is expressed and manifested in the brotherhood of man into group thought, as expressed by the Masonic Order, will be the eventual rule in the settlement of affairs in the world.
Not that the world is to become a Masonic order, but the principles that are embraced in same will be the basis upon which the new order of peace is to be established...."

reply to post by protocolsoflove


That's a pretty cool, Cayce quote! I hadn't seen it before.

You are completely accurate, too, by the way. Have there been Masons that have taken advantage of their position in the brotherhood to do ill? Yes. Just like many other organizations, there are some bad seeds. Over all, though, generally Masons are some of the coolest people I've met and genuinely care about doing good works in the community and living by the primary tenets of the Order. The bad apples ruin it for everyone.

reply to post by protocolsoflove

As it is said, "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". Most anti-Masons (not saying you're one) find one example and try to display it as something that is widespread through the Fraternity. You are right, they are blinded and hatred is the root of it. I like to say that Freemasonry is an orchard and just because you have a few rotten apples, you don't cut down the entire orchard.

I've never taken "Novus Ordo Seclorum" beyond its historical and literal meaning. As for the government of man and the state of human nature, I observe the libertarian point of view that government is required really only as an arbiter when communities cannot solve a problem or when the individual is not being protected.

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Some people join the Masons or some similar organization in search of a sort of spirituality that they will find comfortable and stimulating (at least in comparison to Sunday morning sermons), so they may well have joined up while already carrying within them the seeds of the new religious teaching by which they will distinguish themselves.

Originally posted by 1nOne
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yes, it is. Nice tile work. I have always liked the contrast of black and white. Lots of designers use that for a dramatic appearance. Thanks for pointing that out.

Originally posted by emsed1


Prove Joseph Smith was a Freemason.

Smith was a Master Mason (third degree) for a short period of time. He was never a Scottish Rite Mason, much less a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason.

None of the other people on that list were Masons.

reply to post by 1nOne


I am not a mason but I have known a few and they were and are some of the kindest and nicest people one could hope to call friend!

I have a question for 1nOne: Is it difficult to speak while you have both feet in your mouth?

reply to post by 1nOne

To be honest, I dare say it wasn't the Freemason in the men that inclined them to start a new religion, it was rather the Knowledge in the men that made them do this. The Knowledge that Christ was not Divine, but just a wise man, sent here to teach, not to be a God. Look in the mirror there, OP, which religion DOES SAY Christ is Divine?

Originally posted by HardToStarboard

Originally posted by HardToStarboard

Originally posted by dusty1
reply to post by 1nOne

 

TextJehovah's Witnesses: Charles Taze Russell 33rd Degree Freemason (1879)

Interesting to note, each one of these "religions" denies the divinity of Christ.

We don't believe in a Trinity.


I believe that Jesus is the Son of Almighty God

He had a pre human existence, and was sent by God, to the earth, as a replacement for Adam.

Jesus died for the sins of mankind.

Jesus is now the King of God's Kingdom, and will bring this Kingdom to the earth.




I don't really get involved in politics, but if you put a gun to my head and made me vote,



I would cast my ballot for Jesus Christ.

I've always been curious about the LDS take on Christ's divinity. You state in a belief that he was the Son of God, but do you believe he WAS/IS God?

And as far as Smith being a mason there certainly seem to be a good number of masonic references in LDS ritual/ceremony. I recall watching Big Love with my wife one night (yes, I know, perhaps not completely accurate in every respect of the church) and they showed one of the characters going through some temple initiation or ritual. At the time I was a mason and I was literally astounded at all the references in mormon ritual lifted directly from masonry. I remember reading how the LDS church was upset with HBO and Big Love for portraying the particular ritual. Interesting stuff, though.

Goodness. I just realized you were referring to JW and not LDS.

Anyone here a Mormon and care to comment on the question I posed?

Found the answer. Apparently, Mormons deny Jesus as being God and instead believe He was merely a created being (ie - not eternal). Very different from Christians (and a dealbreaker).

www.religionfacts.com...

reply to post by protocolsoflove

Hitler rounding up and shooting Freemasons doesn't sound like a bad idea to me! It one of the few things Hitler did right!

reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier


Amazing thought process. Your baby daddy must be proud.

reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier

And people wonder why I consider anti-Masons to be nothing more than fascists.

Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
It one of the few things Hitler did right!

Actually Hitler did two things right. Take poison and shoot himself in the head.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by emsed1


Prove Joseph Smith was a Freemason.

Smith was a Master Mason (third degree) for a short period of time. He was never a Scottish Rite Mason, much less a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason.

None of the other people on that list were Masons.

The truth about Joseph Smith and Freemasons - - - is actually pretty sketchy. How much is fact and how much is speculation varies.

I think it was his brother and uncle (or some relations) - - that was very much into Free Masons. They were influential in pushing Joseph to join. Joseph Smith is described by some as "childlike". He wasn't really interested in organization or business related stuff. So its really hard to say - - how much he was involved or what he got out of Freemasonry.