Twitter users given legal warning in Britain

reply to post by shauny

All for free speech, just it intrudes on others and causes problems, the line has been crossed. Nobody has the right to say untrue/bigoted/racist etc things to anyone.

Dont kid yourself, you are not for free speech at all. Just the speech you agree with.

Originally posted by rikgrimsby
no free speech on twitter then... what one finds offensive another might not... time to get rid of my twitter i think

Not quite yet.

reply to post by Maslo


It's just another word for censorship and we can't avoid that in this life.

Rev

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by shauny

Dont kid yourself, you are not for free speech at all. Just the speech you agree with.

I like that train of thought.

Rev

why is every day uk starting to look more and more like alan moores classic v for vendetta britain. lets see surveillance almost everywhere check citizens punished for speaking mind check extreme anti weapon bans check. britain my heart cries for u and i fear us in america will be looking same.

Originally posted by revmoofoo
reply to post by RicoMarston

 

What I meant was that we should be proper grown ups and not lower ourselves to such a base level. It's nice to be nice and the personal rewards are infinite. And this is coming from someone who actually hates people and can't stand to be around anyone for longer than half an hour or so. Take my neighbour for example, he's rude, nosey, arrogant and generally a neighbour from Hell on so many levels, but I chose not to lower myself to his level and retaliate in kind. In fact, I hold the building door open for him and his wife, I carry her shopping up the stairs and generally behave like an adult. After all, it's the bloke downstairs that's the problem, not his wife.

And also, by choosing to act in this way I'm actually annoying him more than lowering myself to his level would...OK, so I'm not the most mature person in the world. lol

Hope that clears things up for you Rico.

Rev

and what i meant was what the heck is a proper grown up?! i might meet that neighbor of yours and think he was a perfectly reasonable person and enjoy their company. it all comes down to perspective and the moment we start legislating that you must act like a "proper grown-up" we start legislating personal preference. you say yourself that you're not the most mature person in the world, does that mean you wish to be punished if you have a moment of weakness and do something immature like post a rant about somebody in the news?

Originally posted by proteus33
why is every day uk starting to look more and more like alan moores classic v for vendetta britain. lets see surveillance almost everywhere check citizens punished for speaking mind check extreme anti weapon bans check. britain my heart cries for u and i fear us in america will be looking same.

why are you against being videotaped whilst you are in a public space?

Why are you against accountability?

Originally posted by QQXXw

Originally posted by RicoMarston
reply to post by QQXXw

 

no... people who respect and value free speech and expression should fear this. I don't want to go online and spew hate speech, but i also don't want to have to over analyze and stress about every little post i make

let's say I reply to a post in a sarcastic, satirical manner and act like i'm a member of a mind set or group which i actually oppose. let's say my satire isn't very effective and people take my ravings seriously. should i be punished because i failed to emulate stephen colbert's comedy style effectively?

my point is, online and offline communications are NOT the same thing. how many times have you misinterpreted a text message? is it so far fetched to think that LEO's could misinterpret online comms too?

A law enforcement officer has enough common sense to tell you apart from the people who are really need to be taken offline and held accountable for their actions.

It is easy enough for me to communicate on the internet and I do so fully understanding that my IP is well known to law enforcement and that everything I have ever wrote on the internet will be used to determine just the kind of person I am.

which LEO has enough common sense to tell me apart from the criminals? all of them? wow, what a sweeping generalization. you know there are dumb cops, right? and people who lack common sense and yet made it into leadership positions? or do you think that "earning" a badge makes you some kind of superhuman? why is it ok for LE to use your net history to profile you? why should they even be checking your facebook and myspace? and if they have all of this common sense to know who is ok and who shouldn't be allowed on the net why do we need new laws and regs? they should just have it all sorted by now!

Twitter is dumb. I don't use it.

All for free speech, just it intrudes on others and causes problems, the line has been crossed.
Nobody has the right to say untrue/bigoted/racist etc things to anyone.
IMO

Shaun

but no free speech for the racist, bigoted liars? they aren't humans?

and what if someone says something that could be interpreted as racist but they didn't mean racism in their hearts? what if that person was incapable of convincing you that they really aren't a bigot, they just chose their words poorly? people with no malice in their hearts should be punished for ineffective communication skills?

the fact is that people who are racists (or otherwise ignorant) are TOTALLY entitled to their viewpoints and beliefs. its is up to YOU and ME, not the government, to confront and deny ignorance whenever possible. till then, the KKK gets a forum just like ATS does.

it's a slippery slope to go down. i've had plenty of times IRL and on the web where it isn't entirely clear what a person is trying to say. i can just see innocent and harmless people being sucked into yet another government hassle cycle which does nothing to keep people safe or make the world function more efficiently.

reply to post by RicoMarston


You should not be afraid that the truth will be found out about you, it will be found out about everyone else as well.

The only internet users that are against email surveillance or law enforcement account access to popular social media are

1) racists
2) criminals/terrorists

Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by RicoMarston

 

You should not be afraid that the truth will be found out about you, it will be found out about everyone else as well.

The only internet users that are against email surveillance or law enforcement account access to popular social media are

1) racists
2) criminals/terrorists

so... nobody has ever been falsely labelled as a racist or criminal?

and because you're neither a racist or criminal, you're fine with the NSA reading your emails about being cheated on by a spouse, private medical conditions, the fact that you used to be a woman and are now a man? you don't value your privacy? you should be on reality tv then!

also, i'm neither racist nor criminal (unless you count smoking MJ as a crime... in which case you're a fascist), i'm just a sarcastic b#stard with a bad attitude and a crude sense of humor. I simply don't feel like worrying about how the NSA is going to interpret my jokes and off-hand internet remarks.

reply to post by RicoMarston


If you don't know how an adult should behave in decent society, then your parents/guardians/other have done you a great disservice and you should ask god for a refund. Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse, which is fine as long as it makes you happy.

Of course I have immature moments, don't you? However, by helping my neighbours wife and being polite to them every time I see them, it causes issues that he has to affect him negatively, but that's his problem not mine, because I'm not doing anything wrong.

I'm just trying to be a good person in a bad world, so please don't take my words to heart.

Rev

Originally posted by rikgrimsby
no free speech on twitter then... what one finds offensive another might not... time to get rid of my twitter i think

But there is a difference between free speech and slander. If statements are true and can be backed up by fact then i don't see way there would be trouble. if someone is just trying to start problems and making stuff up then action should be taken.

Just my $0.02

Originally posted by revmoofoo
reply to post by RicoMarston

 

If you don't know how an adult should behave in decent society, then your parents/guardians/other have done you a great disservice and you should ask god for a refund. Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse, which is fine as long as it makes you happy.

Of course I have immature moments, don't you? However, by helping my neighbours wife and being polite to them every time I see them, it causes issues that he has to affect him negatively, but that's his problem not mine, because I'm not doing anything wrong.

I'm just trying to be a good person in a bad world, so please don't take my words to heart.

Rev

and there it is, the buzz word i was waiting so patiently for; GOD!
of course! (face palm) you didn't mean some generalized, sweeping version of "acting right" you meant "acting right according to some religious principles"
my point, again, is that different people have different standards of decency.

Originally posted by shauny

Originally posted by rikgrimsby
no free speech on twitter then... what one finds offensive another might not... time to get rid of my twitter i think

All for free speech, just it intrudes on others and causes problems, the line has been crossed.
Nobody has the right to say untrue/bigoted/racist etc things to anyone.
IMO

Shaun

This is very true. I also hate racism and bigotry, but on the other hand I also support freedom of speech. The two tend to conflict, though.

However, freedom of speech works both ways. If I hear somebody say something racist or just generally rude, then I am also entitled to practice my freedom of speech by saying whatever I want to them

People are allowed to say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they they are immune from my, or anybody elses ridicule.

reply to post by RicoMarston


Ahhh, you're one of those. They don't call me Rev for nothing and yes I believe in god, but that's not the point really, is it? I used "god" as a catch all term and thought that any reasonable unbiased human being would take the statement as they found it rather than throwing their toys out of the pram.

Don't ask god for the refund, ask Fate, Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Cookie Monster or whatever it is that you believe in. And for the record, my opinion of how people should behave does not come from my religious beliefs, as you claimed. It comes from being brought up properly by loving parents who taught me right from wrong. That's how it usually works you see. Religion didn't even come in to my life until I was a teenager and by then my parents had already taught me how to be a good person.

Thank you very much for continuing to be rude and obtuse, it's really making me chuckle and I could do with more chuckles in my life.

Rev

reply to post by RicoMarston


I worry more about whats in my food than the remote chance my emails are flagged for inspection by law enforcement, in which case they can sort through them until they get bored

reply to post by RicoMarston


I worry more about whats in my food than the remote chance my emails are flagged for inspection by law enforcement, in which case they can sort through them until they get bored

reply to post by revmoofoo


but i fail to see where you've addressed the fact that my standards of decency CLEARLY differ from yours and that something i might see as perfectly acceptable to post on twitter might be unacceptable to you?

if we're going to start censoring twitter, or facebook or blogs or the web in general, then whose standards of decency should we use? yours or mine?

how about instead of censoring what goes up on the web or comes out of people's mouths, we punish those who use the words of others to justify their crimes? then i can continue to look only to MYSELF for guidance, you can continue to look to yourself for guidance through the belief in a god, and we can worry about each other's beliefs and statements only when they cause real world conflict.

the internet is not real life. twitter is not real life.

all of this energy by government spent to police the web and what people say and think would be better spent trying to educate people about love and the power humanity wields when we work together. in the meantime, let idiots tweet about rape victims and name and shame them when they do.