Exodus

The biblical Exodus was never about the Jews people going to Egypt and back, walking the bottom pit of the Red Sea, after they were freed from the Pharaoh enslavement, through the help of Moses.

No, it wasn't. The true Exodus myth was based on the story, when Babylonian royal blood was driven into exile by the invading Persians, seeking refugee onto old Egypt and Greece!

Alexander the Great was their first "conqueror type" minion, in the purpose to avenge Persia. Preceeding Julius Caesar, Atila the Hun, Napoleon and Hitler.

And through the help of Pythagoras and Socrates (Plato too, and Aristotle perhaps) they found the ecclastic school and secret occultic society of Illuminati. They also gained influence upon Egypt through the Amon-Ra priesthood. And from Greece, they jumped into Italy and founded the future European military superpower to be, the city state and republic of Rome! Before it was planned to undergo a transformation into a imperial dictatorship.

After Atila (AA) they settled to Germania (The Holy Roman Empire) and the Vatican church state. And then London and Washington D.C.

Thank you for droping by, and reading my short thread of my understanding on the conspiracy of the origin of the NWO. Cheers.

I'm not sure those Greeks had anything to do with the Illuminati.

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
I'm not sure those Greeks had anything to do with the Illuminati.

Pythagoras means = snake master!

Pytha, like in phyton, is (old) greek for SNAKE.

Goras = guru = teacher = master.

Remember the snake in the bible? The real snake is trully the spine! The backbone. The kundalini nadi! (the devil's backbone)

If you are interested in learning about the kundalini, just google it. Its an ancient Hindusthal/Indian esoteric teaching. Its similar to the Chinese acupuncture/acupresure, i think. Manipulation/generation techniques on the prana/mana bioplasmic body energy field.

Oh, I almost forgot:

And about the Jews, the Khazars ARE the real Jews. If you seek another historical Jew people forefathers/familytree, there are none! There are no other original Jewish people ascendants, other than the Ashkanazi Khazar people!

The biblical Jewish story is a complete elaborate myth! It only exist in "religious" text. It never happened in the real world, other than in the Torah, or the Qoran.

You are putting words in my mouth. The Illuminati were formed longgg after the Greeks and their Eleusinian mysteries had faded into history. Yes the evil was present then in the temple of Seth. Your claim was simply historically inaccurate that the great Grecian thinkers were associated with the Illuminati.

I'm very familiar with British Israelism (zionism) and the history of that land but thank you for the cliff notes

Like what you have to say though...you are definitely on the right track. In regards to the Bible thought, never forget that the BODY is the temple and while the exoteric meaning is related to Babylon, the esoteric meaning cannot be taken to mean anything MATERIAL. This excludes your various histories and accounts of people fleeing a country.

Pythagoras doesn't mean snake master

Derived from Greek Πυθιος (Pythios), a name of Apollo, and αγορα (agora) "gathering place". This was the name of a 6th-century BC Greek philosopher and mathematician, the founder of a mystic order whose members believed that everything was made of numbers.

His name led him to be associated with Pythian Apollo; Aristippus explained his name by saying, "He spoke (agor-) the truth no less than did the Pythian (Pyth-),"

Pythian refering to the Oracle at Delphi.

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
You are putting words in my mouth. The Illuminati were formed longgg after the Greeks and their Eleusinian mysteries had faded into history. Yes the evil was present then in the temple of Seth. Your claim was simply historically inaccurate that the great Grecian thinkers were associated with the Illuminati.

I'm very familiar with British Israelism (zionism) and the history of that land but thank you for the cliff notes

Like what you have to say though...you are definitely on the right track. In regards to the Bible thought, never forget that the BODY is the temple and while the exoteric meaning is related to Babylon, the esoteric meaning cannot be taken to mean anything MATERIAL. This excludes your various histories and accounts of people fleeing a country.

Okey, I don't really know what they call the secret school back at the time of Hellenism, but how could you be sure either, that Weisshaupt was the true founder of the Illuminati sect? How far can you be so sure about what mainstream history tells us?

So the British job was to provide the land to establish free Israel, and the Germans was it to scare them off with elaborate scheme/propaganda about concentration camp gas chambers. (Although I believe they did kill Jews in NAZI camps, but that only in small numbers)

So you are saying your knowledge about the Angelo-Judeo conspiracy is sufficient to explain the origin of the Jewish people back then to the beginning of the so called "After Dominion" calends? What are you trying to say, exactly?

Interesting, so the notion "exodus" was rather an event of conversion or something similar? Is that what you were saying? Speak clearly, please.

But my theory still fits best to explain the formation of the method and system that is being used by the NWO, to rule the world right now. Why are they always in hidding? Why design the fall and rise of empires/nations? Because once, they were forced to flee and live behind shadows. That's why, IMO. They also then realized how effective and efficient this method was, to kept them concealed. And without the need to worry about "bread and circus" bussines, which they could leave freely to the hands of the formal goverment (and corporations), to deal with.

Just my .02.

PS: dominion in "AD" means DOMINATION.

To add on this. Could it be, that all the European royal houses are descendants of Rome and Babylon?

I mean, there is just a handfull of houses across all Europe. The most dominant would be the Habsburg, I suppose? Infiltrating Spain, Austria, Swizerland, Britain, CMIIW. There is also the house of Anjou.

Could it be they are all related at some point? Or at least corporating, somehow? Through the Bilderberger meeting, for instance?

Lets just list the rest of monarchs left in Europe:
- Denmark
- Norway
- Sweden
- Belgium
- Netherland
- Luxembourgh
- Micronations like Andora, Lichtenstein, etc.

I also suspect the Al Sauds of Arabia could be part of this, since the Babylonians being semitic people of origin?

Originally posted by coyote66

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
You are putting words in my mouth. The Illuminati were formed longgg after the Greeks and their Eleusinian mysteries had faded into history. Yes the evil was present then in the temple of Seth. Your claim was simply historically inaccurate that the great Grecian thinkers were associated with the Illuminati.

I'm very familiar with British Israelism (zionism) and the history of that land but thank you for the cliff notes

Like what you have to say though...you are definitely on the right track. In regards to the Bible thought, never forget that the BODY is the temple and while the exoteric meaning is related to Babylon, the esoteric meaning cannot be taken to mean anything MATERIAL. This excludes your various histories and accounts of people fleeing a country.

Okey, I don't really know what they call the secret school back at the time of Hellenism, but how could you be sure either, that Weisshaupt was the true founder of the Illuminati sect? How far can you be so sure about what mainstream history tells us?

So the British job was to provide the land to establish free Israel, and the Germans was it to scare them off with elaborate scheme/propaganda about concentration camp gas chambers. (Although I believe they did kill Jews in NAZI camps, but that only in small numbers)

So you are saying your knowledge about the Angelo-Judeo conspiracy is sufficient to explain the origin of the Jewish people back then to the beginning of the so called "After Dominion" calends? What are you trying to say, exactly?

Interesting, so the notion "exodus" was rather an event of conversion or something similar? Is that what you were saying? Speak clearly, please.

But my theory still fits best to explain the formation of the method and system that is being used by the NWO, to rule the world right now. Why are they always in hidding? Why design the fall and rise of empires/nations? Because once, they were forced to flee and live behind shadows. That's why, IMO. They also then realized how effective and efficient this method was, to kept them concealed. And without the need to worry about "bread and circus" bussines, which they could leave freely to the hands of the formal goverment (and corporations), to deal with.

Just my .02.

PS: dominion in "AD" means DOMINATION.

edit on 12-5-2012 by coyote66 because: (no reason given)

Is this clear enough for you?

Stop watching youtube videos created by anonymous persons who convince you that you are getting the "true" history. My suggestion is to read books. The older the better.

This is the only explanation I have for your plato-started-the-illuminati-and-is-connected-to-the-khazars-and-zionist-conspiracy-too garbarge. You're like a soup of 30 of the most popular disinfo campaigns to keep what is actually going hidden in the murk.

I don't know where you got after dominian as the definition of AD

but it is an abbrevistion of anno domini which is the medieval latin for The year of the/our Lord.

Originally posted by protocolsoflove

Is this clear enough for you?

Stop watching youtube videos created by anonymous persons who convince you that you are getting the "true" history. My suggestion is to read books. The older the better.

This is the only explanation I have for your plato-started-the-illuminati-and-is-connected-to-the-khazars-and-zionist-conspiracy-too garbarge. You're like a soup of 30 of the most popular disinfo campaigns to keep what is actually going hidden in the murk.

Is that your opinion, disinfo campaigns? So what do you suggest??? Anunaki and Niburu? Or do you prefer the Dulce Papers???

What I try to present in this thread is the most plausible scenario of the NWO conspiracy! And of course its all garbage to you. But again you keep showing up in this thread, particulary. And the Klingons knows where TH you like to hang around elsewhere on ATS!

So, can you give me a brief picture about your intention in conspiracy forums, if you don't even give a squat about the NWO (or whatever they call it) or any other conspiracy subject??

what do you suggest as the most plausible theory of world conspiracy? Or is it just pure disinformation agenda, to spring doubt to people, or for the sole sake of trolling, is that it the purpose of your presence here???

Just give me something! Anything.....?

The arival of Islam was the 2nd avenge campaign toward Persia. It was meant to totaly annihilate the native Persian religion of Zoroastrianism.

But the Persian did manage a counter cultural movement, and established the Shia sect of Islamism. An de-arabification effort upon Islam.

Islam is the youngest/most-recent prime religious institution created by Babel. Its the more elaborate and more carefully designed monotheistic belief system, compared to Christianity. More efficient in manipulating, controling and alienating the masses.

A whole lot of claims with no verifiable sources...everything you're saying must be taken at face value here.

From your definition and break down of Pythagoras through to the ancient Greeks connection to the illuminati who first formed in bavaria in the 1700's....as has been stated you're wrong.

I agree with the poster above me, stop watching YouTube videos giving you "the truth"....

trolling is the #.

Originally posted by DominusIlluminatioMea
trolling is the #.

Maybe if you're a bored 13 year old or struggling to face the fact that you have nothing better to do with your sad ass life except antagonise people via the internet because you're too gutless to front up to anyone in real life.

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics

Originally posted by DominusIlluminatioMea
trolling is the #.

Maybe if you're a bored 13 year old or struggling to face the fact that you have nothing better to do with your sad ass life except antagonise people via the internet because you're too gutless to front up to anyone in real life.

Boring. That was too easy.... Lame aquisations without any grounds, and assault toward personals. And done in packs. Its just too easy to read you, regardless how smooth your effort is

I am 27 yo, and as a sensible person (unlike you it seems) I can spot if there's something wrong going on. But the problem is just identifying the true source of the problem

Its not very hard for me to see, really, who's the fake poser wannabies, and who are the real deal Pathetic in this term, my friend went back to you, as you look into the mirror, and how you project and regress yourself toward the outer world Thus, we see the world more as we are, and less as it really is.

Let me guess your next move: calling me a loon, and then suggesting profesional help? LOL (there's a cheap viagra ads, if I was not mistaking)

the first bankers were babylonian
then till now
I am sure the different secret societies took thier own paths here
infiltration over time by the one group to bind them though, has created the monster we know face

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The Invention of the Jewish People:“Countering official Zionist historiography, Sand questions whether the Jewish People ever existed as a national group with a common origin in the Land of Israel/Palestine. He concludes that the Jews should be seen as a religious community comprising a mishmash of individuals and groups that had converted to the ancient monotheistic religion but do not have any historical right to establish an independent Jewish state in the Holy Land. In short, the Jewish People, according to Sand, are not really a “people” in the sense of having a common ethnic origin and national heritage. They certainly do not have a political claim over the territory that today constitutes Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, including Jerusalem.”

inventionofthejewishpeople.com...
Shlomo Sand is a senior Jewish Historian in Israel

I am ok with secret brotherhood societies/priesthoods who control the masses, from the dawn of time, I do not dispute that however, to present your thinking/ideas about the Jewish people based on the nazi idea of Khazarian decent and the work of one scholar who has alternative ideas, which fits the grasping ideas of anti-semetic folk (Jew haters), is certainly not based on any facts!

Jews have been documented throughout history and were always known to have originated in the same region (i.e. the biblical land of Israel/Palestine). There are historic ruins, buildings and tombs that prove this beyond any doubt and the 'new testament' is 1,700 years old is based on a Jewish man who lived in (low and behold) the same place!

Throughout the middle ages, you have knowledge of Jews (not Khazarians) being slaughtered throughout Europe, always based on hate stirred up by churches, landlords and royalty, who have borrowed funds from the Jews but did not want to pay it back. The Knights Templers also were moneylenders and they were wiped out too (strange that?) although many of their bankers survived and went on to form the country and banking institutes of Switzerland (look at the flag - knights templer?).

Jews from the middle east are present throughout history, the Romans dispersed them and despite many attempts to wipe them out, they still survive today much to many haters annoyance.

For those who claim that the holocaust was just Jewish propaganda is again just nonsense created by Jew haters who have not done any real research into the truth. Many people died in the holocaust, not only Jews but there are records, survivors, families, pictures and a huge amount of evidence! Even at Yad Vashem the holocaust memorial in Israel, they hold records of millions murdered by the Nazi regime and not just those of Jews, they remember the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally/physically handicapped and pow's who were all targeted as social outcasts.

There are many historians and scholars who know the truth, Shlomo Sand is not one of them and has an agenda (whatever that is, it is not the truth) and yet even his family were killed by the Nazi's in WW2.

Everyday here on ATS I read ignorant views on Jewish people, who claim they do not hate Jews, seem to think all bankers and illuminati are Jews and that all Jews represent Israel etc., etc., etc., You can think and state what you like however, have you ever thought how frightening it must be to be a Jew, amongst all the hatred?

The latest DNA volume weighs in on the controversial, centuries-old (and now revived in a 2008 book) claim that European Jews are all the descendants of Khazars, a Turkic group of the north Caucasus who converted to Judaism in the late eighth and early ninth century. The DNA has spoken: no.

(1)

Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University in Israel argues in his book The Invention of the Jewish People, translated into English last year, that most modern Jews do not descend from the ancient Land of Israel but from groups that took on Jewish identities long afterward.

Such notions, however, clash with several recent studies suggesting that Jewishness, including the Ashkenazi version, has deep genetic roots. In what its authors claim is the most comprehensive study thus far, a team led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of the New York University School of Medicine concludes today that all three Jewish groups—Middle Eastern, Sephardic, and Ashkenazi—share genomewide genetic markers that distinguish them from other worldwide populations.

(2)

1.Balter, Michael (June 3, 2010). "Tracing the Roots of Jewishness". Science (journal).
2.Begley, Sharon (June 3, 2010). "The DNA Of Abraham's Children". Newsweek

Why dont you guys go back to reading your well worn copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and loose a few more I.Q. points.

Originally posted by Hongkongphooey

Throughout the middle ages, you have knowledge of Jews (not Khazarians) being slaughtered throughout Europe, always based on hate stirred up by churches, landlords and royalty, who have borrowed funds from the Jews but did not want to pay it back. The Knights Templers also were moneylenders and they were wiped out too (strange that?) although many of their bankers survived and went on to form the country and banking institutes of Switzerland (look at the flag - knights templer?).

First of all I'm not a Jew hater, I don't even knew one Jew in my life.

Second, you have to understand that the formation of the Jewish people from Khazarians, dates back to the initial time of AD. Back to the time of the suppose to be Jesus. That was before Jewish people migrated into Europe and being abused by the medieval European.

The record we have about the Jewish people, at the time Before Christ, tend to be very weak of validity. It was very much fabricated by the Roman conspirators, to support their myth about Christianity and the Old Testament (the Torah).

If I can't give you any effidence of this, can you give me convincing effidence about the otherwise claim? Of the genuinity and validity of the historical data, recording Jewish presence as it was claimed by the Bible?

For those who claim that the holocaust was just Jewish propaganda is again just nonsense created by Jew haters who have not done any real research into the truth. Many people died in the holocaust, not only Jews but there are records, survivors, families, pictures and a huge amount of evidence! Even at Yad Vashem the holocaust memorial in Israel, they hold records of millions murdered by the Nazi regime and not just those of Jews, they remember the gypsies, homosexuals, mentally/physically handicapped and pow's who were all targeted as social outcasts.

I myself believe the Holocaust was a total fabrication. But not by the Jews. The Jews are rather victimized either, in this event. Like I said in the other post, I believe Jews were trully being killed in Concentration Camps, but certainly not numbering 6 million. Probably just a few hundreds, or perhaps thousands. The purpose was to instill fear among the Jewish people, and made them refuge into Israel free-willingly. Whereover, the Jewish people are still abused until today! Through indoctrinations by the Orthodox Rabbi-hood and inflicted fear/trauma, to asure them to serve their global industrial purpose most effectively.

And I say those data you mentioned was monumentaly fabricated. Did you crosscheck? Did you do your homework well, Sir? It was a tremendeus effort to support the story. Not to say it wasn't true, but rather hyperbolized and bombastized, blown to the uppersize. Not mentioning the European laws that permits the authority to criminalize anyone who denies the Holocaust as a historical fact, supports this very belief of mine.

My intention is in no means to offend any group of people, including the Jewish people. Regards, dear Sir.


P.S.: Ah, and I forgot to mention: in the Islamic tradition, there is also a similar term as the EXODUS, its called HIJRAH. Which tells the story about Muhammed leaving Mekka onto Madina, and then back again. Pure coincidence, or a code to the real story? What do you think?