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Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Davian
All the same msm radio/tv talkie shows are playing it all down calling it schoolboy antics... Justifying his bullying. It is tragic but at some point I wonder if they are going to find themselves reporting that "for the first time in US history the United States has no President"? I mean to say if Dr Paul does become our next President...edit on 11-5-2012 by antar because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dustytoad
reply to post by miniatus
If the delegates are truly unbound, then anyone can win. Your mood is quite fitting with your attitude. I think you are silly too.
Didn't the head of RNC say that all the delegates can pick with their conscience? Didn't I see a thread like that on here?
Do you think the real 2012 delegate count map is accurate? I have no idea... I'm actually asking..
Originally posted by Dustytoad
reply to post by miniatus
well, ok...
But no matter how un realistic something is,
there is something to be said for never giving up...
Even if there is no chance, you still go for it.
The Army taught me that one, it builds character.
Even if he loses in the end, it's not like I would support anyone else.
There really is no point to have such a defeatist attitude, and if you really support Obama over Romney(I do too) then you will want to support paul as much as possible to take away from Romney.
I don't know if this country can last through either Romney or Obama, so I have one choice for the very future of the US.
Originally posted by miniatus
Also ... some members of the GOP have flatly stated that if Paul did get the most delegates then they would consider changing the system.. that is corruption at it's finest, I don't know that they would follow through with it.. but the bottom line is that the GOP does not want Paul on the ticket.. so he also has to contend with that.. all of the cards are stacked against him.. he does not have the popular vote, he does not have the delegate count and he does not have the support of his own party .. as much as I'd love the guy to win and clean the street with them.. we have to wake up sooner or later and realize they won't allow that to happen.
I never suggested anyone should quit supporting him.. I'm not quitting.. I still support him, he's the BEST candidate, bar none. I'm just calling it like I see it on how I think it will play out.. I see Ron losing the nomination to Romney, I see Romney suffering big time from the support that Paul has taken from him.. and because of that, I see Obama getting a second term.. I hate that scenario .. but that is what I see happening... call it my prediction... absolutely NOT my hope...
Originally posted by Dustytoad
I never suggested anyone should quit supporting him.. I'm not quitting.. I still support him, he's the BEST candidate, bar none. I'm just calling it like I see it on how I think it will play out.. I see Ron losing the nomination to Romney, I see Romney suffering big time from the support that Paul has taken from him.. and because of that, I see Obama getting a second term.. I hate that scenario .. but that is what I see happening... call it my prediction... absolutely NOT my hope...
Right, but I don't follow predictions.
I follow reality.
Reality is NOW.
You don't look at the score in the middle of the game and tell the rest of your team, "it's not looking good."
You tell them "get in there! Let's WIN this!"
If they believe it enough they can still win.
Ron Paul 2012!edit on 5/11/2012 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by miniatus
I think one thing is absolutely certain, no matter what... if Ron wins, wonderful.. if he loses, I can live with it.. but he's awakened a great number of people.. and he's hit the hearts and minds of the nation's youth .. people are becoming politically active in a way they've not been in a long long time.. People are starting to realize just how stupid it is to have a two party system.. people are seeing how corrupt the delegate system can be ( I understand it's purpose though ) ... he's inciting change regardless of a win, or loss .. I firmly also believe that if he has the energy to muster a third try.. that he would have an extremely good chance of plowing the competition with all of the momentum he's got now... he won't be forgotten in four years..edit on 5/11/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by miniatus
I've posted this before..
But there's no way Paul is going to get the nomination, and no way he's going to run independent, and even if he did.. he's polling very low with popular vote so he couldn't win with those numbers.. Romney is less than 200 delegates away from the nomination and Paul is WAY far behind.. it just simply isn't going to happen.. I wish it could, but it won't.. the only thing that will happen is that Paul will weaken Romney's support, guaranteeing a victory for Obama .. and while I dislike Obama immensely at this point, I think he's better than Romney at least..
I wish Paul could take it, but it's simply not going to happen.. the only hope the GOP has would be if Paul quit because he simply can't win the nomination.. and we all know he won't do that.. so the GOP is screwed.
I know it's not POPULAR to say that around Ron Paul fans ( I am one myself ) .. but it's realistic.edit on 5/11/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ajay59
Originally posted by miniatus
I've posted this before..
But there's no way Paul is going to get the nomination, and no way he's going to run independent, and even if he did.. he's polling very low with popular vote so he couldn't win with those numbers.. Romney is less than 200 delegates away from the nomination and Paul is WAY far behind.. it just simply isn't going to happen.. I wish it could, but it won't.. the only thing that will happen is that Paul will weaken Romney's support, guaranteeing a victory for Obama .. and while I dislike Obama immensely at this point, I think he's better than Romney at least..
I wish Paul could take it, but it's simply not going to happen.. the only hope the GOP has would be if Paul quit because he simply can't win the nomination.. and we all know he won't do that.. so the GOP is screwed.
I know it's not POPULAR to say that around Ron Paul fans ( I am one myself ) .. but it's realistic.edit on 5/11/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)
What world do you live on? Paul will obliterate Obama! The world has awakened and everyone knows it is time for change! You really need to get used to this,"President Paul"!
Originally posted by freakjive
When are you guys going to understand that we are following our morals and values??
It's no longer good enough for us to "choose the lesser of two evils".
You can feel good about giving your vote to a charlatan who is no better (likely even worse) than Obama.
I'll sleep at night knowing I made the right decision to fight for what I believe in.
You guys can continue to stick your heads in the sand and be naysayers.
If every person that claimed that "they like Ron Paul but he can't win" would actually stand up for what they believe in, Ron Paul would be beating EVERYONE by a major landslide.
Get with it, people...
Originally posted by Davian
Originally posted by ajay59
Originally posted by miniatus
I've posted this before..
But there's no way Paul is going to get the nomination, and no way he's going to run independent, and even if he did.. he's polling very low with popular vote so he couldn't win with those numbers.. Romney is less than 200 delegates away from the nomination and Paul is WAY far behind.. it just simply isn't going to happen.. I wish it could, but it won't.. the only thing that will happen is that Paul will weaken Romney's support, guaranteeing a victory for Obama .. and while I dislike Obama immensely at this point, I think he's better than Romney at least..
I wish Paul could take it, but it's simply not going to happen.. the only hope the GOP has would be if Paul quit because he simply can't win the nomination.. and we all know he won't do that.. so the GOP is screwed.
I know it's not POPULAR to say that around Ron Paul fans ( I am one myself ) .. but it's realistic.edit on 5/11/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)
What world do you live on? Paul will obliterate Obama! The world has awakened and everyone knows it is time for change! You really need to get used to this,"President Paul"!