Was the government a co-conspirator?

reply to post by earthinhabitant


Now that was a letdown. Especially since you said you knew what I do....


But, I freely admit, I maintain F-16s for the US Air Force.

reply to post by earthinhabitant


Nope.

But it is one of the large,looming, pieces of misinformation out there regarding the Pentagon. Yes a few accountants died, but, they were only accountants for the Army..and it wasnt even all of them. There was never any missing trillions of dollars, just a bunch of antiquated systems that did not talk to one another which made for seriously bad bookkeepping. And no, it did not go away after 9/11. The accountants were still reconciling books and recovering information long after that day.

reply to post by earthinhabitant


Then there is the fact that pieces of both engines WERE recovered. Not sure what idiot started the lie that the engines were not found....

Oh yes, the security tapes. Again, not sure where you got your 2050 assertion, but video from several of the surrounding area cameras were released and NONE of them gave any real useful information.

reply to post by vipertech0596


who and how did BBC know about building 7 before it fell...was someone in the building that had returned to their desk who was not evacuate that cause a delay and glitch in the plan, and building demolition was delayed until they exited the building, and then it was imploded, ....around 25 minutes later than scheduled....?

Sharing information between UK and USA was and is a constant, no blocks there, been they way for long time, as concealing and hiding information, would be a breach of trust, so both countries knew what was going on, cause both administrations controlled the operations...got the puppet masters and the puppets and then the amazed spectators and observers who can't believe what they are hearing and seeing and yet some choose to accept a impossible acts as being possible and go the way of ignorance or they are working for the disinformation operation, that is commonly noticed..

reply to post by vipertech0596


can you post some pics of the engines or pieces of the projectile and also 2 videos, as only have seen one that has been release of if there were two, they both had the actual object missing in the video frames...so love to see anything that can substantiate your claims...

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by earthinhabitant

 

Nope.

But it is one of the large,looming, pieces of misinformation out there regarding the Pentagon. Yes a few accountants died, but, they were only accountants for the Army..and it wasnt even all of them. There was never any missing trillions of dollars, just a bunch of antiquated systems that did not talk to one another which made for seriously bad bookkeepping. And no, it did not go away after 9/11. The accountants were still reconciling books and recovering information long after that day.

can you link us up with anything that can support these claims...here is what I have to enter into evidence and the record for rebuttal...stay tuned for more discovery...

“One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack,” reported The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Dec. 20, 2001. “Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts.

Jesse Venture Pentagon Conspiracy Theory Episode touched on the subject of the Pentagon well..



A Cruise Missile at The Pentagon

Sections
1. American Airlines Flight 77
2. The Five Frames
3. The Security Videos
4. Flight Characteristics
5. The Alleged Tailfin
6. The Smoke Trail
7. By The Light of A Rocket Motor
8. The Overflight and Lloyde England's Testimony
9. Mike Walter
10. Donald Rumsfeld
11. Porter Goss
12. April Gallop
13. The Damage to Lamp-posts on The Highway
14. The Damage to The Pentagon
15. The Alleged Airplane Wreckage
16. 2.3 Trillion Red Herrings
17. The Real Target

here is the one that please if you don't have a tear or emotion when you view their faces, then I'd like to hear from you, especially and what you think happened...by all means do not hesitate, as this link says it all...

projects.washingtonpost.com...

www.commondreams.org...

If 9/11 was a tragedy to thousands of Americans and their families, Bush and his father�s Carlyle cronies hit the jackpot, especially with renewed contracts for Carlyle defense investments. In particular, Carlyle had invested heavily in United Defense, the primary manufacturer of the Crusader artillery system. Although the Crusader faced a skeptical Congress before 9/11, Carlucci and his lobbyists certainly managed to line-up his old college buddy, Donald Rumsfeld, behind promoting the outmoded Crusader. When Carlyle went public with United Defense stock offerings in the fall of 2001, Carlucci, Bush, Baker, and other investors in Carlyle made out like bandits. However, when a possible paper trail and conflict-of-interest against Rumsfeld surfaced recently, he announced his opposition to Crusader. Of course, millions had already been made and Rumsfeld had to cover his own backside in light of the calls for the resignation of the Secretary of the Army, a former Enron executive already awash in dubious conflicts-of-interest.

Ostensibly attacking the Taliban for its refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden, the Bush Administration refused any alternatives to the military option. During the whole military operation, the Pentagon has tried to establish security points that reflect the route of the proposed pipeline. Moreover, Harmid Karzai, the hand-picked US leader of Afghanistan, was, at one time, also a consultant for Unocal. Along with Khalilzad, who now is the US representative to Afghanistan�s interim government, Karzai is effectuating plans for the pipeline.

footnote: opium

The CIA and Other Deep Pockets

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 a number of news stories appeared concerning investments in put options in United and American Airlines. Put options are shares that are bets on falling market prices for specific stocks. In the week before September 11 put options in United and American Airlines went through a furious and unprecedented spasm of investment. In addition put options for Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch, two of the biggest occupants of the World Trade Center, also saw abnormal activity. Most of the investments in these put options originated in Germany through the Deutsche Bank. Deutshce Bank had earlier acquired Bankers Trust, a investment banking firm whose Vice Chairman in charge of private client relations in the late 1990s was A. B. Buzzy Krongard. In March of 2001, Krongard was appointed Executive Director of the CIA.

Certainly, the CIA has a history of laundering money and dealings with shady investment characters. What becomes particularly relevant in the lead-up to 9/11 is the August CIA briefing of Bush concerning the potential threat of attacks by bin Laden using hijacked planes on certain sites, such as the Pentagon and World Trade Center, and the fact that the CIA had bugging equipment on bin Laden messages and international banking operations. Although no one has apparently claimed the money from the put options, questions remain about Krongard and the CIAs involvement.

some profits?

Just to mention a few...

2.3 trillion, where was it and has the books been audited again to see if maybe that it is just paper and happens to be the new bread for bombs amount that defense dept. is taking from a food program for war appropriations?

So, debit and credit, was never missing in the first place, right? Just a small issue with the books....? Bookkeepers?

You can say, yes or no, to any of those or these, if you like, a poll would be nice...

reply to post by vipertech0596


You said this

Naw, we dont say that there wasnt a cover up. We just point out that the cover up, was for much different reasons and did not involve criminal actions by the US Government.

I asked this

Now explain how you know what hasn’t been uncovered

and you answered with this

Umm...common sense and history? A group of us were talking on the evening of 9/11/01 (we were all members of the same unit and were making all sorts of phone calls, trying to find out if friends of ours at the Pentagon had been accounted for) and we all knew that in the end, it would be discovered that we had all the info we needed to put togething a fairly accurate picture of what was going to happen. The only problem was, the information was scattered on a few dozen desks in a few dozen different agencies, none of which could legally share the information with other agencies. Because that is ALWAYS how it happens.

What part of the question is that supposed to be the answer to?


Lets try this again

First take your Ritalin, then read the question until you understand what it is... no time limit.

And then answer my question...


You can do it ! You can do it !

Go vipertech0596 !




P.S.

I maintain F-16s for the US Air Force.

That's cool, now answer the question.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by earthinhabitant

 

Now that was a letdown. Especially since you said you knew what I do....


But, I freely admit, I maintain F-16s for the US Air Force.

rest my case on your occupation title, thanks for clarifying, as guess was right on all 3?

reply to post by maxella1


thanks Max, now we understanding more of really went wrong that day and more of who done it and was involved, knowingly or unknowingly or wait, was there really any question or doubt?

Not here..

this is a good one Viper" Umm...common sense and history? A group of us were talking on the evening of 9/11/01 (we were all members of the same unit and were making all sorts of phone calls, trying to find out if friends of ours at the Pentagon had been accounted for) and we all knew that in the end, it would be discovered that we had all the info we needed to put togething a fairly accurate picture of what was going to happen. The only problem was, the information was scattered on a few dozen desks in a few dozen different agencies, none of which could legally share the information with other agencies. Because that is ALWAYS how it happens. "

accounting for bodies making sure they were elimated and no one got away?

Very convient one must admit for the one head on medusa's head, not to know what the other snake is doing...got to admit, sure explains now, for sure beyond a shadow, I hope to the non-truthers, to see that the only way it could have been pulled of, is by reports like the above coming from we know who and why...please, send better movies scripts than this before, play for play, scene for scene, look in their eyes when they speak, don't need to be special to see that it was hogwash sham, and blaming it on the patsy and covering the trail and murder scenes and damage control that was protecting the criminals who were involved, not the ones they claimed were responsible, just pure bull poo poo, nothing else

Originally posted by earthinhabitant

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by earthinhabitant

 

Nope.

But it is one of the large,looming, pieces of misinformation out there regarding the Pentagon. Yes a few accountants died, but, they were only accountants for the Army..and it wasnt even all of them. There was never any missing trillions of dollars, just a bunch of antiquated systems that did not talk to one another which made for seriously bad bookkeepping. And no, it did not go away after 9/11. The accountants were still reconciling books and recovering information long after that day.

can you link us up with anything that can support these claims...here is what I have to enter into evidence and the record for rebuttal...stay tuned for more discovery...


“One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack,” reported The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Dec. 20, 2001. “Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts.

If you have a look at this March 2002 report by the DoD Inspector General :-

www.dodig.mil...

Scroll down to first para under "Executive Summary" and you will see this : " The Army did not publish stand-alone financial statements for FY 2001 due to the loss of financial management personnel sustained during the September 11 terrorist attack. Therefore, we did not audit Army financial information for FY 2001 financial statements. However, Army financial statement information was included in the DoD FY 2001 Agency-Wide Financial statements. "

In other words those killed were working on Army statements for FY 2001 and nothing was lost because the information was contained in the Agency-Wide statements. Nothing to do with hunting missing trillions; truthers made that up.

reply to post by earthinhabitant


No, we don't eliminate friends. Just conspiracy theorists.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by earthinhabitant

 

No, we don't eliminate friends. Just conspiracy theorists.

How do you accomplish that?

reply to post by Alfie1


How do you derive that and make such assumptions...guess in essence, the pentagon can do no wrong in your eyes, is what you are saying?

The Pentagon (Wikipedia)
www.cbsnews.com...

With a staff of millions and an annual budget of around $670 billion, it should come as no surprise that the U.S. Department of Defense has engaged in some wasteful spending. A new report by the Center for Public Integrity, however, claims the Pentagon's financial ledgers are worse than imagined.

Essentially, the DOD does not have and has never really had reliable mechanisms for showing proof of where the billions in taxpayers' dollars are going exactly, and efforts to create those mechanisms are turning out to be more time-consuming, complicated and expensive than imagined.

The DOD has already promised to clean up its accounting practices for public scrutiny by 2017, and has pledged an estimated $300 million annually to do just that. They will likely need an additional $1 billion to meet that goal, CPI reports, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is allegedly poised to announce a speeding-up of the auditing process, which might raise the cost of reigning in spending even more.

The CPI report states: "Experts say the Pentagon's accounting has never been reliable. A lengthy effort by the military services to implement new financial systems at a cost so far of more than $6 billion has itself been plagued by overruns and delays, senior defense officials say."

Just last month, the Government Accountability Office said in a report that although the services can now fully track incoming appropriations, they still cannot demonstrate their funds are being spent as they should.


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Pentagons Accounting Mess - News Markets - Portfolio.com
www.portfolio.com/news-markets/.../Pentagons-Accounting-Mess
14 Apr 2008 – According to federal regulators and current and former Pentagon officials, the accounting process is so obsolete and error prone that it's ..

Pentagon hides $3 billion in budget accounting maneuver | The Cable
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15 Feb 2012 – The Pentagon's new budget request moves $3 billion of military pay and benefits out of the base budget into the war budget in an accounting ...

here is next exhibit:

911research.wtc7.net...
The Evidence
Destroyed, Missing, and Surviving Evidence of the September 11th Attack

Evidence about the September 11th attacks can be divided into three categories: destroyed, missing, and surviving. The missing category includes officially secret information, since the existence of secret evidence and what it indicates cannot be verified.

A great deal of the evidence about the crimes of September 11th has either been destroyed or is unaccounted for. Indeed the event was and continues to be used to justify a campaign of secrecy never before seen in the United States, virtually eliminating public accountability of the very agencies who were entrusted to handle the evidence.

A review of the evidence shows a strong pattern of destruction or suppression of evidence, and the blocking of effective investigations, by the authorities. This is evident whether one looks at the flights, the World Trade Center, or the Pentagon.
Evidence Timeline

While a full accounting of the destruction of evidence from the attack would fill a volume were it ever to be told, the significant releases of evidence are few enough to be easily chronicled.

March, 2002: Five frames of video from a Pentagon security camera were leaked, feeding the no-Boeing theory of the Pentagon attack. Signs of forgery suggest that the frames were actually bait, intended to derail independent inquiry with red herrings.
May, 2002: Publication of FEMA's World Trade Center Building Performance Study provided evidence of a systematic effort to conceal and misrepresent the construction of the Twin Towers, while at the same time disclosing in its Appendix evidence suggestive of explosives.
November, 2002: Contents of suppressed audiotape of communications from Chief Oreo Palmer, a firefighter who reached the crash zone of the South Tower, were released.
August, 2003: Publication of the book Behind the Scenes: GROUND ZERO revealed New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi's account of the recovery of three of the four black boxes from the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers -- an account not acknowledged by the 9/11 Commission.
July 22, 2004: The Kean Commission published the 9/11 Commission Report , whose demonstrable falsehoods, omissions, contradictions, and changed timelines demonstrate a systematic cover-up.
August 12, 2005: New York Times announced the release of oral histories long suppressed by the New York City government.
June, 2005: NIST released the draft of its final report on the collapses of the Twin Towers. NIST's blatant evasion of its stated objective to "determine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft" amounts to a de facto admission that the Towers did not collapse because of the impacts and fires.
May 16, 2006: The Department of Defense released videos from two Pentagon security cameras.
July, 2006: exhibits of the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui were published. They include a diagram of the location of Pentagon attack victims, and copies passenger lists for and detailed accounts of phone calls from the four commandeered jetliners.
August 11, 2006: The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) released full transcripts of the air traffic control recordings from the four flights commandered on 9/11/01. A set of eight NTSB documents were published by the National Security Archive on the gwu.edu website. 1 The transcripts include altitude profiles and ground track maps for all of the flights except United Flight 93.

then we have this like to add:


911research.wtc7.net...
Pentagon Victims
Who was Killed in the 9/11/01 Attack on the Pentagon

Whereas victims of the World Trade Center attack were identified by civilian authorities, victims of the attack on the Pentagon (like those of the crash of Flight 93) were identified by military authorities. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology issued a report in November of 2001 claiming to have identified 184 of 189 persons killed in the Pentagon attack. 1

Since there were five alleged hijackers of Flight 77, whom authorities did not identify since they lacked DNA samples from the families, that 184 identifications accounts for the 125 people killed inside the Pentagon, and the 54 people other than the hijackers on board the aircraft.

The following map of the locations of victims in the attack was released as part of prosecution exhibits in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. 2

An office of the Army that had just re-occupied the Pentagon's recently renovated Wedge One, named Resource Services Washington, lost 34 of its 45 employees. Most were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. 3 Defense Secretary Rumsfeld had announced on the eve of the attack that more than $2 trillion was missing from the Pentagon.

More than half of the victims were in the Navy Command Center, a command-and-control facility on the first floor of the Pentagon's D-Ring.

Many survivors suffered horrible injuries. Kevin Shaeffer was watching coverage of the attack in New York City with co-workers in the Navy Command Center when the plane struck, instantly killing 29 people in the same office. Shaeffer sustained second- and third-degree burns over 40 percent of his body. 4

Glossary of events and activity that will leave open to debate for those that feel that can't explain it all and prefer not to attempt to and just go with the official version of accounts and details, well you know how I feel about ya...don't cha?


911research.wtc7.net

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here is real concise timeline of events leading up to and after, please review and take your time, before commenting back with any of the bull poo doo doo dee daa das

www.wanttoknow.info...

here is nice excerpt that we cannot overlook..

September 11, 2001 (B): An advertisement for a "homeland security" event in 2002 will mention the following curious sentence: "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. [John] Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day." [National Law Enforcement Security Institute, 8/02] Fulton's team is part of the National Reconnaissance Office, which "operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA." The simulation was to start at 9:00 A.M., four miles from where one of the real hijacked planes took off. The government calls the simulation just a "bizarre coincidence." [AP, 8/22/02] The government has repeatedly claimed that no one imagined a plane deliberately crashing into a building. [New York Times, 10/3/01] Four wargames were also in progress at the time of the attacks. [C-SPAN Congressional Testimony, 3/11/05]

Vipertech, care to tell us what you were doing that day?