Shocking Video Of Kelly Thomas Beating Death Released. Watch With Caution.

i have come to the conclusion that sick people like this don't become this way because they're wearing a uniform. they seek out jobs that give them power because they are so screwed up. they see being a police officer as the perfect opportunity to prey on the innocent. they go through the motions at the academy, and take the 'oath' with their fingers crossed behind their backs, knowing full well that when they get out on the streets, the arse**** they kept buried during their trainings will finally get a chance to wreak some havoc on some poor unknowing victim.
i know for a fact there are good cops out there who truly care, and though they may have an occasional bad day at work and get snippy with whomever is unlucky enough to get pulled over on the street, they would never think of raising a knight stick at anyone who was not an immediate threat. now, though, i'm starting to wonder, what is the ratio of good cop to bad cop? if there were three good cops on patrol and four bad cops on the same shift, would there be another beating like the one we just saw? perhaps i don't want to know...

Originally posted by XXX777
The ''homeless'' guy is clearly playing with the officer and not one bit complying. He is behaving like he is drunk. He is using up so much of his energy hollering and resisting some more. Why not just comply and be quiet?

Shill detected.

Hey guys, lets all just comply and be quiet while our rights get trampled!
It's much easier than, you know... defending ourselves and such.

I realise it's different to what happened with the homeless guy, but it's the same mindset with police here in the UK. How many times have we heard stories of Police over reacting using Tasers?

This was a 59 year old guy with alzheimers - petrified at being institutionalised and against 6 officers. 6 men couldn't restrain one guy without tasering him in front of his family..?

Alzheimers Sufferer hit withTaser

Makes me sick.

from rodney king to this please tell me who are they serving? and who are they protecting? the poor homeless man was pleading for mercy saying he is sorry and that he cannot breathe if we do not live in a police state please tell me why these thugs are not being charged with 1st degree murder Emporer Obama is the commander in chief and this happened under his leadership. what is his response if any. This makes me sick to my stomach why don't these losers try that in south central or east la where the victims will fight back. I hate the mentality of cops the bad ones out way the good

oops

Originally posted by XXX777
Why did the guy not simply comply with the Police officer's orders?

The fact in this case is that the dead guy battled the Police and lost. He got what he wanted.

I concur. But we're in a sea of people who believe that police are inherently evil, and that everyone owes them something for nothing...so don't expect much support for ideas like this on ATS.

It's a losing battle.

Originally posted by MrInquisitive
reply to post by OGOldGreg

 

Thanks to the original poster for creating this thread; I had not heard of this case until I saw it, so ATS is good for something sometimes...

That said, I, too, was sickened, horrified, saddened and angered by viewing the video. The goons on this thread who defended the pigs and said the victim got was he deserved, maddened me more; don't know what else to say about them that won't infringe upon ATS T&C's, so I'll leave that there.

As for the murderous, sadistic cops, I can only hope that they don't go to a cushy minimum security prison, but rather go to one with a lot of hard-case cons who will get wind of these ex-cop's crime, and that finally justice will be meted out to them there.

As to the goof balls who claim violence is never right, even in response to unjust violence, well then, I guess the American Revolution was wrong, and the British were wrong in dumping Neville Chamberlin and making Winston Churchill their PM in order to choose a leader who would use violence to fight the violence and aggression of Nazi Germany. Guess Nat Turner and John Brown were wrong too, taking up arms to fight slavery. Give me a break. If you don't believe violence is never right, then don't pay taxes because they go to governments that use violence all the time to enforce their wills.

Che Guavera was a healer before he was a revolutionary. FACT.

Originally posted by PrimePorkchop

Originally posted by XXX777
Why did the guy not simply comply with the Police officer's orders?

The fact in this case is that the dead guy battled the Police and lost. He got what he wanted.

I concur. But we're in a sea of people who believe that police are inherently evil, and that everyone owes them something for nothing...so don't expect much support for ideas like this on ATS.

It's a losing battle.

edit on 10-5-2012 by PrimePorkchop because: (no reason given)

Being wrong usually puts you in a losing battle (when it's a battle of wits).

Funny thing, that.

Edit to add: Any LEO that watches this video and doesn't see a problem should do the public a favor and find a new line of work.

Those cops deserve nothing but a long agonizing death.

Originally posted by PrimePorkchop
I concur. But we're in a sea of people who believe that police are inherently evil, and that everyone owes them something for nothing...so don't expect much support for ideas like this on ATS.

When did anybody state that they were owed something? I don't recall reading anything like that in this thread.

So far I've only seen people saying that they don't want anymore police brutality.

At the end of the day he had mental health problems!
He had NO weapons!
If anyone has worked with people like him you would understand why he was like that.
The fact of the matter is they beat the crap out of him and he died!
Police are NOT above the law!
Yeah it happens all over the world which is sad
This should not happen in the US or any western country's!
The cops that did this should get life! They took a life they should have there freedom taken away!

reply to post by Quoop


They need to be placed in general population and abandon by the prison guards wherever they're sent.

Originally posted by XXX777

Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by XXX777
Why did the guy not simply comply with the Police officer's orders?

The fact in this case is that the dead guy battled the Police and lost. He got what he wanted.

Are you kidding me right now?

Are YOU kidding ME? Can I not have an opinion? I see this clearly for what it is.

If a Police officer asked me to put my feet in front of me, I would do it.
If he asked me to put my hands up, I would do it.
I would NOT play games with him, put my hands up and then put them down again, stretch my legs out and then draw them back again.
I would obey the commands and arrive at some sort of peaceful conclusion.

The ''homeless'' guy is clearly playing with the officer and not one bit complying. He is behaving like he is drunk. He is using up so much of his energy hollering and resisting some more. Why not just comply and be quiet?

At first I thought you WERE joking, but now I see that you're clearly messed in the head...(no offense)... The guy on the video is mentally ill, and the two cops CLEARLY went too far.. When is it ever ok to beat a helpless man to near death (the reason why i say near death is because he died 5 days later)??? Those cops knew exactly what they were doing, they just didnt know that they were on camera... This is one of the most disgusting things ive seen in a long time, these cops DESERVE to have the book tossed at them, I hope they both get LENGTHY prison sentences, but unfortunately what they deserve is MUCH worse than anything the judicial system can hand down...

I watched the video and it made me sick to watch it.What i want to know is exactly what did the homeless guy do to deserve to be beated to death.I know some will say he was resisting arest but to me in the begining of the video he didn't want to get up so that warrents getting what he got.If you are a officer and out weigh the guy by 100 lbs or so and you have a back up officwer you should be able to arest him with out beating him to death and if you cant then you dont deseve to be a police officer.

I have seen many fights outside of bars where the peoplle were really resisiting arest and throwing punches at the cops and not once did i see the cops beat them up etc

I've had a Police officer point a shotgun directly at me, and believe me I complied extremely quickly. If a person is incapable of correct social response, then perhaps that person is better eliminated.

WOW i can't believe you actually think that, so someone deserves to die a brutal death for been mentally ill? right gotcha you'd av fit right in with the nazis pal.

Originally posted by reg

I've had a Police officer point a shotgun directly at me, and believe me I complied extremely quickly. If a person is incapable of correct social response, then perhaps that person is better eliminated.

WOW i can't believe you actually think that, so someone deserves to die a brutal death for been mentally ill? right gotcha

you'd av fit right in with the nazis pal.

Hey Reg...its just sorry that there are people like this in the world... Heaven forbid you have a mental illness... I wonder how all these people would feel if the man on the video was a loved family member who suffered with a mental handicap... People who are mentally ill need our help, they dont need to be treated like the black sheeps of the world... When I read posts like the one you responded to I wonder if the OP is just trolling or if they really believe in what they are saying.... I feel sad for that person if thats truly how they feel about people who are mentally ill...

What can we do to combat the "bad apples"? Rallies/protests/nonviolence don't matter to a regime that regularly uses violence and deceit to victimize it's citizens. I welcome the good honest police that genuinely want to help their communities. To the criminal element among them...they need to be shown that their behavior is unacceptable and I don't think that candle light vigils or singing songs in the streets is going to cut it anymore. Plain and simple, the people need to make it a living hell for these criminals to live and operate in our communities. If we make an example out of a few of them, then the rest will have more respect for us and think twice about preying on the innocent. Until we stand up for ourselves and show them that we won't allow this to continue it will only get worse. I'm not just referring to this one individual case...I'm talking about police corruption and abuse in general.

Bad apples, bad apples.

The saying goes, 'One bad apple spoils the whole barrel.'

Folks, it isn't just one bad apple. The law enforcement community has a problem, and it is systemic. Even the 'good ones' are negatively affected by the 'bad apple' majority. Kind of like being in the Mafia, you don't 'rat out' your 'brothers'.

Originally posted by XXX777

Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by XXX777
Why did the guy not simply comply with the Police officer's orders?

The fact in this case is that the dead guy battled the Police and lost. He got what he wanted.

Are you kidding me right now?

Are YOU kidding ME? Can I not have an opinion? I see this clearly for what it is.

If a Police officer asked me to put my feet in front of me, I would do it.
If he asked me to put my hands up, I would do it.
I would NOT play games with him, put my hands up and then put them down again, stretch my legs out and then draw them back again.
I would obey the commands and arrive at some sort of peaceful conclusion.

The ''homeless'' guy is clearly playing with the officer and not one bit complying. He is behaving like he is drunk. He is using up so much of his energy hollering and resisting some more. Why not just comply and be quiet?

If a Police officer asked to pull down your pants and get on all fours while waving his baton suggestively?

you'd do it,

of course you would

and by the way folks
in situations like these
you do NOT have to lie down and take it

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
Your Rights as a U.S. Citizen Against Unlawful Arrest ..........

“Citizens may resist Unlawful arrest to the point of taking an officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S., 529. The court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense was commited.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. If the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh V. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. 1; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260.

“Each Person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, ther person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self defense.” State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100.

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910.

“The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.”
Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol. 2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197.

I am sure some Police Officers in this Country are Unaware about these Court Decisions when Overstepping their Authority . People who know the Law should Remind them about it from Time to Time for the sake of their Own Safety . The Woman in this Video was Intimidated by that Police Officer because she was just Not Aware of her Rights and Cow Downed to his Intimidation of her Ignorance . She should take this matter to a Lawyer Immediately and press charges against him IMO .