Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals.

Originally posted by mainidh

Originally posted by stanguilles7
Study the issue a bit.

Read my posts a bit.

I have. Which is why I suggest you dont know one thing about this issue, because your posts are full of untruths and straw men.

The recent NC ruling makes ALL CIVIL UNIONS ILLEGAL! It has nothing to do with the church, as you constantly claim.

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Yeah you win dude. You make me sick of this topic.

Well done, good one.

#ing sick of even trying. I'm a homophobic dick, and only if I turn gay do I ever get to have an answer.

pfffffft.

reply to post by BIGPoJo

Some of you may feel this post is anti-gay, its not. I am just stating the facts objectively. Remember, sexuality is not democracy. You make the choice to act out on your urges or not to. Sex does not equal love, remember that.

See, that's the worst type of bigotry for me, you honestly don't think you are a bigot.

So your solution is for gay people to just ignore their feelings? That's pretty rational. How about you try ignoring your feelings and sexuality, oh, for 24 hours. Good luck with that.

See, this "choice" crap really pisses me off, and I'm straight.

And sorry, your reason for not supporting gay marriage is BS pure and smelly. Not all married couples have kids, and plenty of unmarried couples do have kids. Plenty of gay couples adopt kids and raise them. Are these adopted kids worth "less" than kids born to their parents and stay with them? Cause that's what you are saying.

you actually said marriage is between a man and a woman to promote having offspring, and that's why they get a tax break. Gay parents can have children too, so sorry, your reasoning is bogus.

So, a hetrosexual man falls in love with a woman and they can legally marry
A homosexual man falls in love with a man, they can not legally marry.

How the hell is that the same rights? In what twisted warped world view does that make any sense?

Just be honest, gay people gross you out, cause that's the only rational reason for being against gay marriage. It affects you in NO WAY AT ALL other than makes you feel icky.

Originally posted by mainidh
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

Yeah you win dude. You make me sick of this topic.

Well done, good one.

#ing sick of even trying. I'm a homophobic dick, and only if I turn gay do I ever get to have an answer.

pfffffft.

Again with the straw men. I never called you a homophobe. (Hell, most my friends call ME a homophobe. I'm not a big fan of teh gays, but I disgress) I merely pointed out that your argument is not factual.

Sorry you cant debate using facts.

Bye!

reply to post by BIGPoJo

Originally posted by BIGPoJo
reply to post by LordOfArcadia

 

As long as government subsidizes marriage though the use of tax breaks, they get to define exactly what a marriage is. In the recent cases democracy was used and the people voted that marriage is between one man and one woman. Not one judge has the right to overthrow the will of the people in this case. Personally I believe that anyone should be able to marry anyone but it should be a private matter and not a matter of the government. The entire tax code needs an overhaul but that subject deserves its own thread.

In a nutshell, there would not be an argument about gay/straight marriage if marriage licenses did not exist.

And when the hell did it become okay for e majority to discriminate against the minority?


People lik you disgust me, you are the perfect example of bigotry in this country. Could somebody be so disconnected from their conscience?

reply to post by mainidh

If, as you say, you want to be with someone you love... What the hell does what anyone else think about your relationship, matter? "Oh they're married. That's great!" Big deal. Many heterosexuals don't even care that much about marriage.

I hope you can see the irony in that post of yours.

Many heterosexuals don't even care that much about marriage.

REALLY? Go freaking read what you posted there buddy, and then reflect on that line. Obviously plenty of heterosexuals DO care, because they are bending over backwards to deny something to a group of people because of their sexuality.

Honestly, if you can't see that as discrimination, you are a freaking moron and should have your brain examined.

I'm not asking you to be in favor of it, i'm asking you to shut your pie hole for a second and contemplate the retarded crap you posted here.

If you don't care, then why do you care? If you don't care, then why are you here complaining about it?

This is as best as I can distil it down.

the only reason gay people can't marry, is because they are gay. That is, cut and paste, the definition of discrimination.

Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married, it really is that simple.

If gay people want to ruin their lives getting married, let them be as miserable as the rest of us.

But see, that's the thing. It's about making sure society respects your rights, and only your rights.

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Most gay people do not care what it's called, they don't want to usurpt marriage, they want the rights afforded by said government institution.

Well, i'm glad you said most. Because there are plenty who want it clearly defined as "marriage" and will settle for nothing less, probably on principle.

My feelings are, if the government took control of it, it should be accessible to all, regardless. the best solution would be get the government out of it entirely.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
the best solution would be get the government out of it entirely.

What? Marriage is a legal contract. Of course it's connected to the government.

Im sure then when a closest gay/lesbian marries your hetero son/daughter you'll have no problem when alls out in the open. Its their right to marry them.

LGBT community do already have the same rights, they are protected under the Constitution.

However, they are currently pushing very hard for MORE rights, which is what I have major issues with.

Another gay bashing thread on ATS, surprising. .

The government has no business in marriage at all.

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Marriage isn't a "right". That said, yes, homosexuals do have the same rights as heterosexuals, there called human rights. Any other questions I can help you with?

Originally posted by Turq1
Im sure then when a gay/lesbian marries your son/daughter you'll have no problem when alls out in the open. Its their right to marry them.

Absolutely no problem at all. We have legal civil unions for LGBT in Canada. It's a Federal law.

They might have the same rights, but not MORE rights. Same goes with minorities (affirmative action anyone?). I'm not going to discuss it further.

Those who do not support gay marriage have been beating a dead horse, again and again and again.

I could go into detail - but I'd just like to summarize exactly why this should not be an issue.

1. When a Gay or Lesbian couple marries, it does not personally affect anyone in the world with the exception being the Gay or Lesbian couple themselves.

2. Gay and Lesbian marriage does not threaten the growth of the population. It will NEVER occur that 100% of the population is gay or lesbian, it just won't happen logically, EVER! Nor will it ever occur that 100% of the population are straight! Or all white, or all black! We're made different to add spice to life!

3. For you religious folks - If gay marriage were to become legal, then that still doesn't mean that God will allow them into heaven, if you believe God dislikes gay people. Your heaven will still be Homosexual-Free!

4. Gay marriage can also be looked at as a positive thing because there are many children in the world, waiting to be adopted and stuck in foster and group homes. Homosexual couples cannot have kids so they look to the market of children waiting to be adopted and otherwise, usually, abandoned instead of having more and more of their own new children which the world at this point, truly does not need!

5. If you support the government sticking it's nose into every aspect of your life, including marriage which in reality they have no place, you give up your rights as an American citizen by oppressing the rights of another American citizen. You laugh in the face of Freedom.

6. Sure, you can do a spin-off and say being gay or lesbian is indeed a choice and that you can control you urges.... but you still have the urges, and the thoughts, and no matter how much you try to convince everyone and yourself that you are happy, you are not! And you never will be for as long as you repress your TRUE self and try to mold your personality and sexuality, your appearance to that which benefits the status quo.

7. Think about this, is Gay marriage a really rampant problem? Do you see Gay folks forcing other's to be Gay and raping them in the streets? Is anyone trying to force you to be gay? If so, I'd suggest re-locating, as you clearly live in a strange area.

8. I really don't believe the marriage issue would be a big issue if it weren't for this fact - If the one you love is in a comma, or seriously injured, etc, you cannot immediately go to be by their side unless you are the parent or you are legally married. How would you feel if you couldn't see the one you loved oh so dearly as their life hung in the balance? This happens to gay couples all of the time!

9. Your estates when you pass - if you do not have a will specifically stating that your gay partner receive all of your estate upon your death, they will not receieve it! Why? Because you couldn't ever legally marry!

10. Also, a smaller issue - some homosexual couples have been denied couple retreats, and couple suites when they go on vacation because they do not fit the defintion of a true couple, a man and a woman. This is why they want equal rights, and this is discrimination at one of it's finest moments.

If you deny this, you deny the truth and you deny citizens their right to the pursuit of happiness. We don't live to please the government, we elect these officials to work for us, and defend our rights. Not take them away!

I am not a lesbian myself, but damn sure I will defend their rights as FREELY BORN CITIZENS OF THE USA UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION until the moment I take my last breath.

If the government thinks they can regulate this aspect of people's lives, then they will push that envelope further and further and soon we will be border-lining Socialism.

....Ohwait.

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I understand your argument. However, marriage is considered a privilege not a right by each individual state. Much like driving, both require licenses. Certain cars are considered unfit for the road and you cannot put them on the road even if it does not make sense, its makes sense to the lawmakers. I personally feel that you should not have to get a license to express your love for your partner but its the situation we are currently in. I'm for smaller government and less government intrusion in people's lives. Did you know that in some states sodomy is illegal? Not sure how they enforce it but it is in fact illegal. Doesn't matter if you are straight or gay, its illegal to sodomize another person. I think the LGBT community should fight against the sodomy laws first before they tackle this silly licensing practice.

EDIT - I was mistaken about the sodomy laws.

On June 26, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision in Lawrence v. Texas struck down the Texas same-sex sodomy law, ruling that this private sexual conduct is protected by the liberty rights implicit in the due process clause of the United States Constitution. This decision invalidated all state sodomy laws insofar as they applied to noncommercial conduct in private between consenting civilians and reversed the Court's 1986 ruling in Bowers v. Hardwick that upheld Georgia's sodomy law.

Source - en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by BIGPoJo


I agree with you OP, maybe not 100% but at least your basic message of marriage. However, this is ATS. And you'll find many nay-sayers to your thread because as long as it isn't politically correct, many choose to embrace ignorance.

Keep up the good job though.

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