The USAF 'Factsheet' on UFOs.

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This has to be the most pathetic drive-by pseudo-debunking tactic I've seen on this forum in a very long time. You and your ilk are a pathetic joke, nothing more than a troll who is looking for attention in a sea of research already contaminated with enough simpletons to fill a large European country. Rather than offering anything useful on the topic you vomit out a verbal diatribe that doesn't even come close to the topic at hand. Hit the road.

Interesting archives Karl, good to see you're still around these parts. You are truly among the top 1% of members on this forum and I have enjoyed reading your topics since joining ATS a few years ago. To add to what Orkojoker said, it's amazing just how pathetic of a job was done by the USAF to investigate some of these incidents. After reading some of these "reports" and "investigations", it would appear that the USAF was under the assumption that a large majority of Americans and other people were suffering from mass delusions or under the influence of psychotropic drugs.

Some of the conclusions basically laugh in the face of the people who came forward with information. What's even more disheartening is the fact that even today the USAF still uses the same style of "not of importance" when it comes to reporting sightings or events.

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Orkojoker, no worries mate and that video taken from your UFO Education series is an almost perfect accompaniment to the subject matter and discussion about the USAF factsheet - still amazes me your thread hasn't got a lot more replies.

A while ago I started putting together a series of short videos to dole out in bite-size pieces some significant information regarding UFOs. I hoped that people who were curious about the topic but knew very little about it would see them and be prompted to do some serious reading on the topic..

UFO Education - Some Highlights for Beginners

As it states on the other thread, the trick seemed to be to either debunk the 'hot' reports with nonsensical explanations (or just bury them in red tape) whilst using Bluebook as window dressing for the public so the USAF could reduce their statistical numbers of 'actual unknowns'.

"Based upon unreliable and unscientific surmises as data, the Air Force develops elaborate statistical findings which seem impressive to the uninitiated public unschooled in the fallacies of the statistical method. One must conclude that the highly publicized Air Force pronouncements based upon unsound statistics serve merely to misrepresent the true character of the UFO phenomena."

Yale Scientific Magazine (Yale University) Volume XXXVII, Number 7, April 1963

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko

looking for attention in a sea of research already contaminated with enough simpletons to fill a large European country

Jocko, good to see you matey and I see you've not lost your unique way with words.

You're not wrong about those official explanations either - the way certain UFO cases got 'debunked' and 'explained away' was almost criminal (particularly in Major Hector Quintanilla's era) and many of the reports are in need of serious scientific reappraisal - hopefully one day they'll receive that as there are plenty of reasons to be sceptical of the sceptical explanations.

Cheers.

Another government document contradicting the USAF Factsheet's claim that 'no government agency has ever taken an interest in UFOs since the closure of Project Bluebook':

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A stunning declassified document: This is a cable from the US Embassy in Kuwait discussing the details and particulars of several quite spectacular UFO sightings and incidents in Kuwait in 1979, including the traditionnal unexplained shutdown of electrical equipment which worked fine again after the UFO's departure.

The report proves that there are similarities between UFO events over Noth America and different places of the globe, and that in Kuwait, the government like most government do, took interest in the events and investigated them, eliminating prosaic explanations like spy planes, but remaining reluctant to name the UFO "extra terrestrial crafts."

UFO Lands on Oilfield in Kuwait?

Good Post.

Its certainly telling when the "Government" use the word "Extraterrestrial".

It shows that it is in their "Normal" mindset and is not just..A Chinese Lantern, Venus, or Swamp Gas.

The second, "Extraterrestrial" is mentioned in Any Government document or transcript, you KNOW they are aware of "them"????

Its a case of, Is it ours OR Them????

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Hey karl, thanks for the free advertising. Just updated the UFO Education thread with the rest of the videos in the series.

I like the fact that the 509th Bomb Group at the Roswell AAF before it was called a USAF base reported a crashed flying saucer to the media, and Major Jesse Marcel the Intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group (which was the group that basically won the war) went on public media before he died and said it was not from this earth. Altogether there are over 600 witnesses claiming the same thing in this incident which is just incredible.

Originally posted by Orkojoker
Hey karl, thanks for the free advertising. Just updated the UFO Education thread with the rest of the videos in the series.

Outstanding videos. Nicely done. And putting McDonald's "Science In Default" into audio format is quite a service. I have no idea what's involved in that process, but I suspect it's not as straight-forward as some might think.... Thanks for taking the time.

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No probs mate and like TeaAndStrumpets points out, putting James McDonald's 'Science In Default' into audio format is also a great service to UFO research and the more folks that see those vids the better.

There's another document from CIA archives below about Police officers witnessing a UFO in Lithuania which seems to contradict the US Government's claims that they have 'no interest in UFOs' (as it's quite clear that they still collect worldwide information on the subject in 1996):

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Cheers.

Some interesting reading from NICAP's Francis Ridge on the 1127th USAF Activities Group and government UFO investigations after the closure of Project Bluebook:

UFOs, the AISS, & My Brush With the 1127th

We had always suspected that Project Blue Book (the official AF UFO project) was merely a PR front, and there was evidence that some types of UFO project teams were active even after Blue Book closed down in December of 1969. But now we knew who some of these people were, and we had it from a reliable source..

One of my experiences that indicated there was somebody in the government officially still in charge of UFO reports occurred in 1983. For some time now we have known that something very strange and important was going on in October and November of 1975. We have proof that there were incidents that, to quote from released documents, "prompted the implementations of a Security Option 3 at our northern tier bases since 27 October." Sightings occurred at Loring AFB, Wurtsmith AFB, and then at Malmstrom AFB. In late 1983, an informant reported to me that there had been a major incident at NORAD during that same period which prompted a Security Option 5 alert and total "lock down" at "the Mountain" which houses NORAD. And some official UFO team from the Air Force investigated that incident.

The mystery of who they were is probably solved. Although it could have been Air Force OSI agents, the informant told me that the men who interrogated his group were from "the Air Force UFO division", six years after Blue Book shut down. It was very probably some offshoot of the 4602d AISS. But back in 1963 an Air Force reserve squadron which was a descendant of the 4602d was very interested in what we in NICAP knew about UFOs. But more importantly, we found that UFO investigations continued and in direct proportion to the events which may have, or was determined to have, an effect on national security.

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'No government agency has ever taken an interest in UFOs since the closure of Project Bluebook'

Navy conducts UFO investigation in 1978

The Navy conducted an investigation out of the Jacksonville center but came to no conclusions. Allan Hendry of the Center for UFO Studies interviewed several of the witnesses and gathered radar, meteorological, and astronomical data. He considered, then rejected, various prosaic alternatives before declaring this a CUFOS case of "high merit."

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Claims by a senior FAA Official that the American government confiscated official UFO information in 1986 although the American government claim they haven't collected UFO information since 1969.

Video showing an interview with Dr Hynek and 'UFO Lawyer' Peter Gersten who discusses already released UFO documents which completely contradict US Government claims that they have had 'no interest' in the UFO phenomenon since 1969:

Dr Hynek and the UFO Lawyer.

Originally posted by LadySkadi

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LadySkadi, thanks for the reply (although I didn't see your post ) -if you find it interesting there's a great page of information on the U.S. Government's role in the UFO subject here from long time researcher Jerry Cohen and it also links a good article from CAUS dealing with the erroneous claims of the 'USAF fact sheet':

What the U.S. Government Knows About Unidentified Flying Objects.

New evidence for the existence of unconventional aerial objects relies no longer on the credibility of civilian reports but on the records of scientists, military personnel, intelligence analysis, law enforcement officers and other reliable and responsible people. Their testimony can be found in three thousand pages of previously classified documents on UFOs released [mostly through Freedom of Information Act suits] over the past few years by the Departments of State/Army/Navy/Air Force/Defense/the Federal Bureau of Investigation/the National Security Agency/the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency.

This overwhelming evidence indicates that Unidentified Flying Objects do exist, and that some of them are unconventional craft that [1] pose a threat to national security and [2] perform beyond the range of present-day technological development.

Furthermore, there is evidence that our government has continually misinformed the public concerning the true significance of the "UFO problem."

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Cheers.

Related Articles:

History of the United States Air Force UFO Programs

The Flying Saucer Fiasco

Project Blue Book 1951-1969

Am I the only one that doesn't download from or visit .mil or .gov domains?

Originally posted by Em2013

Am I the only one that doesn't download from or visit .mil or .gov domains?

Hi Em, I take it that was a rhetorical question but if you don't want to visit or download from .mil or .gov domains then Blackvault.com is a good site to visit containing lots of official documents - this website is a very good one as well.

The Black Vault has been around for nearly 16 years. Run by John Greenewald, Jr., The Black Vault is an incredibly large research center on what the U.S. government is trying to hide... from YOU. One of the biggest sections to The Black Vault is the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Government Document archive, spanning more than 600,000 pages of material

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Cheers.

Another U.S. Government UFO Document sent to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger from the U.S. Embassy in Morocco requesting information about UFOs witnessed over the country on 19th of September, 1976.....even though the U.S. Government claims it does not collect information about UFOs since 1969.

“SUBJECT: REQUEST FOR INFO, UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS”,

25 September 1976

(U.S. Department of State, Washington, D.C.)

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You posted the exact same information here less than 3 hours ago.

Originally posted by cripmeister
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You posted the exact same information here less than 3 hours ago.

Yes I did my friend as the document pertains to UFO sightings in Morocco on the same evening (morning) as the Tehran incident on the 20th of September, 1976.

I don't know if reposting the document on this thread is against the T&C (or if you have any opinions as to what the Tehran object actually was) but now you're here maybe you could address the first paragraph in the first post or share your thoughts on the John Greenewald Junior video which presents other government documents which seemingly invalidate the USAF factsheet claim that 'no government agency has ever taken an interest in UFOs since the closure of Project Bluebook'.