I finally solved a great mystery! I think I see now...

So in other words,

you haven't solved anything and still remain confused.

Good thread

reply to post by SeventhSeal


You did not come here to mock the OP . You did that out of frustration , because I suspect you too are looking for answers or you would not be here .

reply to post by elmoastro


Some great commentary there
It was the Newtonian view of the Mechanical Universe that unleashed the forces of technocracy upon mankind by explaining the world and ourselves as mere machinery. Most are willing cogs so long as they get oiled every so often.
This is a trap that is binding humanity to inhumane systems that will only continue to ravage those who dare look outside it's limitations.
Consciousness when understood as the divine aspect of creation allows us to break the bonds of the mechanical worldview.
The day is fast approaching when we must either be consumed by the machine or become the masters of it.

Excellent post!

I have always felt that there is a sense of audacity in the way they are rubbing our noses in the fact that they know we know, yet, we are rendered 'powerless' to do anything about it, from their point of view. (An illusion, of course, in the greater sceme of things.)

Anger and resentment got me nowhere.
Confusion makes me feel like a cammelian on an M&M packet: confused.
However, I am happy that my confusion feels slightly less since you brought out that there are many who realise that they know we know. I always felt that, but thought I was just confused!

(The 9/11 and anthrax story had me furios. It was just so obvious. Yet, it confused me to think that they know we know it is snot, yet, they feed it as real. I wondered why they would do that.)

I am still here on ATS, my desk, African continent, planet earth, our solar system, hoping the time of revealing truth will happen in my lifetime. Accountability must come.

reply to post by wasaka


Thank you for your response. It is always appreciated, in more ways than one

It all has to do with what we believe.

True but with limitations, I can try to believe JFK was not assassinated, but it does not make it real. In the realm of positive thinking, thinking we can all be free is entirely possible.

You may believe we were created as slaves, I do not. Now you may be correct in say that is how we entered this world, but I would argue our true nature is unknown to us. We are ignorant of who we are. In truth, we were created free, and we can't now change who we are--we can only be be deceived by this world of illusion into believing lies. The belief that we are weak slaves is a falsehood that only appear to be real.

If the old scriptures and stories are to be believed that is exactly what we were bread for, slavery, the search for gold. But on the other hand the spirit that is held within most all of mankind was not. I agree we are supercharged with a ethereal spirit, and it is that spirit that is constantly being told you are nothing more than a nuisance, an uncontrollable variable that needs to be eradicated. Our spirit was created "Free", our bodies belong to the creators.

Human beings are Eternal Beings having an physical experience in a temporal world, on this earth we are meme machines. We believe things that are not true, that is the nature of the Matrix (i.e., the Womb in which we find ourselves). As you may know, a “meme” is a belief (a disputable opinion or view) which functions like a virus of the mind (because of our ego-need for validation we seek to spread the meme we host).

I can not argue against this point, only add that I have released myself from the "Meme's" of the "Institutions". There are certain meme's within this web site I am aware of that I do not concur with, but I do understand the reasoning for them. But then, its hard to agree with something when you do not have all the information for its existence.

Take notice how your own beliefs have changes over time. Now ask yourself, are you more “right” now than you were a few years ago? Is anyone? or have we all just exchanged old memes for new ones? Clearly, the Truth hasn't changed, be we have. That struggle to know what the Truth is doesn't end does it? It goes on and on... so what does that tell you about the nature of Truth? It tell me we may get closer and closer to the Truth over time, but ONLY by seeing the lies, dropping misplaced beliefs, and by rejecting false authority.

I will be the first to admit that my views have changed dramatically over the years. But I also believe I was preloaded with an optional gateway if you will that allows myself an external vision, if you will. Hard to put into words but some people are given an additional insight that allows them the choice to see the reality, or go back to sleep and live the lie.

Being more right? Having more truth? In a digital world that is almost impossible to judge. You are right about one thing, the truth never changes. It doesn't morph from day to day, year to year, or millennium to millennium. It is a constant as long as the variables remain the same. My truth is your truth as it is for everyone and everything else. Yes, some people, and even forces I would not classify as people, work tirelessly to conceal that core truth of our existence, and our ultimate potential.

False Authority? Again my point was if we were created as a slave race, our "Creators" would argue that point in more ways than one. Does a dog have the right to one day stand up to its master and say "
You are no longer my master"? Please do not misunderstand my point, we are not dogs but some human beings as has been stated elsewhere in this post do act like the perfect pet enjoying the lap of luxury because they view themselves as masters chosen lap dog. No matter how much you attempt to show them the truth, they will reject it as long as it is not in their best interest. They care vary little about the crimes committed by their owner, "Master".

Yes, some of us work ourselves into a mental lockup trying to decipher the lies and misjudged variables trying to comprehend that illusive all encompassing truth. Should we give up or continue trying to unravel something that has been tied into knots since our inception? Is there a logical point to where we should stop just short of the divine itself? To me this is the reality of it. Everything else is up for grabs

I view the truth as a bag containing pearls of truth. Some of those pearl's are absolutely polished and clean, others are rough, and still others are covered with mud and dirt. Through the years the bag keeps getting bigger and bigger. In fact so big I need help in sorting them out. ran out of characters. wow, that's a first.

Originally posted by dawnprince
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

You did not come here to mock the OP . You did that out of frustration , because I suspect you too are looking for answers or you would not be here .

It's true lol.

If anything, there will be complete annihilation of the planet. And if a few live and come out of their bunkers, what will they have gained? Nothing, simply nothing. In a generation or two, the survivors will have reduced themselves to near savages as well. The World will be a mess. Autos trucks and all manner of machines in decay, littering everywhere, with only a few places still somewhat pristine. And very few of those habitable. The insect world we have kept at bay, unleashed, the invasive species that have been let loose in all the wrong places will wreak ecological havoc. Basic utilities and amenities gone. No one to run them. Roads impassable. The stench of death and the disease that follows. Rats and flies in unheard of populations. Does anyone think it will be a new start? it will be the end of mankind with no one to maintain the nuclear plants, they will explode one by one and melt down. Dams will burst, and on and on, you can only count the things that will collapse, and by collapse destroy like dominoes. Man has had his Reign, and it failed. It failed miserably. So the only hope is that in fact there is a return of Jesus and the kingdom of Heaven and the City established on earth. because without divine intervention, we're all doomed at some point.

reply to post by Plotus


And what a shame that will be; when have so much more to explore.

mentally, that is. An entire multi-verse within each of us.

Oh well, back to the mundane - might grabs me a meat pie, I am famished. Whos nicked me sauce? flamen mongrel..

reply to post by Plotus

So the only hope is that in fact there is a return of Jesus and the kingdom of Heaven and the City established on earth. because without divine intervention, we're all doomed at some point.

It makes no difference, you awake the next day, or you don't. Pretty simple. Would you recognize true divine intervention if you saw it, or would you be fooled by the imposters?

reply to post by H1ght3chHippie


I love the that you put The Matrix in this post. A movie that should wake many people up, and also one of the best movies of all time.

reply to post by All Seeing Eye


What are the requirements for defining something as true divine intervention?

That's part of the trouble here. Most of the time, Christians don't even have a clear-cut definition of "divine intervention", "god", "holy spirit", or anything like that. In fact, any answer they give to such a question is taken straight from the Bible. Why? Because even despite reading the Bible cover to cover, they don't have a clear definition.

And they claim to understand the Bible? It's laughable.

How can you define something, state something, conclude that it's this or that, if you don't have clear parameters for the word or concept?

I like this thread -- but I think you alienate a few people by saying; "The Seers and the Unawakened."

My brother doesn't see 9/11 the same way I do -- probably didn't look into it as much either. But he saw "enough" of the foolish comments versus the "people in suits we respect" and didn't want to be "seen as a fool." It's not that he isn't very aware of manipulation and the distortions of the media -- it's that he has to keep focused on providing for his family and keeping relationships in business and with friends.

Nobody wants to be the lonely fool -- THAT is the driving force behind how people are manipulated. A lot of the people are at various levels of "awake" and on different things. But we have this "consensus reality" and the people unerringly are commanded by it. We can all debate minimum wage but when we have a 9/11 event an the "consensus reality" states; "These are not the driods you're looking for" -- the Jedi Mind tricks work.

There is such a thing as "too awake" -- and I wonder about the people who worry so much about Obama's birth certificate are TOO Awake. I could care less about his location at birth -- I care about his policies. When you go down the rabbit hole chasing a red herring rather than merely dealing with "maybe cutting spending when people are losing jobs isn't a good way to get out of a recession" -- you have a basis for discussion. I can talk about a manipulated PDF because I'm a geek -- but there is no Document that cannot be forged, and a scan of a document already looks like a forgery because it's only as legit as the source that vouched for it. Just like a diamond from the ground is exactly like the man-made diamond now except for the DeBeers laser etched onto it.


I like what you said here;

"I was watching a lecture by a fellow named Al Neal, and he mentioned something that started to wake me up to this. He called it Trauma Based Mind Control, and he said that JFK was a trauma based mind control event for an entire generation, for if people could kill the president in full view of the world without repercussion, how could we possibly do anything about such a force? This made a lot of sense to me, but for the first time I finally saw the logic in the willful allowance of the revelation of the true act, hidden in plain sight. They want us to see it, they want us to know it, so that our denial is then the true power of the event. "

I felt like the whole Bush Presidency was 8 years of "Trauma Based Mind Control." We had this total crook lying his a$! off about WMDs and such taking this country to the cleaners -- and there was nothing we could do. We heard about torture, about missing funds, about war crimes -- nobody was held accountable. We ALL SAW IT, and we could do nothing.

Nothing says "power" more than an obvious crime and a poorly made excuse. For a while I thought; "They could have made that 9/11 collapse more convincing if they had just blow a few floors, and not made it implode at free-fall - I MIGHT never have noticed if they had..." but that's the point. It's not just enough to herd the public with fear -- you've got to let the people who are smart enough to distrust you know that "they can't do anything."

It's called "Learned Helplessness." Why do you think we haven't had a major movement in this country since the '60s? Because every movement has been ridiculed and corrupted. The Punk Rock movement became dress up with New Wave -- funny hair and metal studs in your bedazzled clothes on Friday Night.

Any movement gets co-opted by public figures who distort the message into a food fight. And if they cannot discredit or marginalize, they will infiltrate with provocateurs. If the movement doesn't actively root out the square-jawed "new supporters" who strut in wearing combat boots -- they will be in the headlines for "throwing rocks" before the day is done.

Everyone who says that JFK wasn't killed by a single shooter, is a lonely Conspiracy Theorist and loser -- so says the establishment that thinks the single shooter explains why nobody can find Kennedy's brain or how 1 bullet shot 3 people, or how Jet Fuel in two buildings caused 3 to collapse at high speed when no other steel buildings have EVER collapsed from fire and Jet Fuel doesn't burn hotter than wood.

reply to post by BBobb


I think you are missing a couple of things! For one I don't imagine the ruling elite to be so orderly, intelligent and afraid of losing power no matter how much proof there is of conspiracy! Also Kaos is good in their eyes; the more problems there are the more fear people have inside them! Fear is a controlling emotion, it makes us irrational and therefore easier to control! To see where i am heading with this please read "the report from iron mountain"!

As for us seers; we are being manipulated by these elite as well. To try and stand against them by protesting, fighting back or spreading the word is what they could want! For one this would create more fear amung the populus! Why? Cause people would either have to accept or reject these theories! Also. I don't know if you have noticed but the alphabet agencies as well as the US military have been preparing for civil unrest.IMHO most of the info that is out now was deliberately been released generally because they want this civil unrest to finish with their police state, To take away more of our rights and to eliminate the seers who participate in standing aginst them!
The reason why they have not released this info on the news media is they just want the smart ones that seek out the info and not the complacent sheeple that only believe what lies are spouted out by the idiot box! also i don't know if any of you noticed but there are things being reported even on the MSM that would have been unheard of years ago!
If anyone disagrees with my theories I would like to hear as to why!

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by Plotus

 

So the only hope is that in fact there is a return of Jesus and the kingdom of Heaven and the City established on earth. because without divine intervention, we're all doomed at some point.

It makes no difference, you awake the next day, or you don't. Pretty simple. Would you recognize true divine intervention if you saw it, or would you be fooled by the imposters?

What is the POINT of waiting for Divine Intervention anyway?

Santa isn't going to bring you presents that Mommy and Daddy or some relative didn't first purchase. If there is a God or a Superior Being out there worried about your future -- why were you born in a puddle of excrement if you weren't supposed to grow something with it in the first place? Some new hipster Christians like to explain our state of affairs and this "new concept" (like the one before they added Hell) that there is no Hell but life on this planet. That's just great -- you expect me to TRUST this superior being of yours want's me to wake up in Heaven after intentionally putting me in HELL already? I don't treat my dog like that, do you?

The PEOPLE who like to push this "heavenly reward meme" are the people who like Cheap Labor and servants who can mix a great Martini. Instead of making a fuss right now, and perhaps getting enough people to join you that the People Running the Rat Race have to concede some power -- wait for God or the Grey Aliens to bail you out. We can just look at history for those many examples of Devine intervention when the Israelites were killing everything that breathed because some city was in their way or evil or something -- obviously, the Devine Intervention was keeping that sword arm strong, and not for the billy goat or baby billy who got ripped from waste to neck and placed on a pike as a low cost billboard.

Here is the TRUE secret to the Universe and Life; We are living so that we can struggle. That's it. AS soon as we've created super robots and cyber brains to end want, we will be re-engineering planets, and then starts. Once we become so advanced we become bored with creating dinosaurs and black holes, we will create reality. And who plays an XBox to sit around trading complements (OK, there are people who play "Farmville")?

The Ancient Greeks had it right; we are the amusement of the Gods. Only the Matrix is INSIDE of you. Likely that soul of yours is just the little appendage of some greater consciousness. If your life is a joy or a tragedy -- it's just part of experience where the outcome is uncertain and the stakes are high.

In short: if you want life to be worth living -- you have to fight for it. You have to struggle. You have to create justice and meaning, or someone will turn it into a dog-eat-dog dystopia. It's not good versus evil, it's just entertainment.

reply to post by H1ght3chHippie


If you check the daily television news against the alternative news sites, you'll start to fill in the blanks and see what this 'mystery' is. I'm amazed at what I'm seeing and how many people are contented to go along with life as usual when everything is screaming its not what you think it is. The sheeple are of no consequence to those manipulating the world but the 'seers' are the enemy. Should a 'seer' ever choose the right words and wake up the sheeple.... Oh well, just like Germany, as they load the folks up and haul them off to a DHS facility (concentration camp) they will still be wondering what the heck is going on and will believe any propaganda given them. They don't want to be bothered by any unpleasantries and the manupulators know exactly what information to feed them to keep them happily unaware.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom
reply to post by BBobb

 

I think you are missing a couple of things! For one I don't imagine the ruling elite to be so orderly, intelligent and afraid of losing power no matter how much proof there is of conspiracy! Also Kaos is good in their eyes; the more problems there are the more fear people have inside them! Fear is a controlling emotion, it makes us irrational and therefore easier to control! To see where i am heading with this please read "the report from iron mountain"!

As for us seers; we are being manipulated by these elite as well. To try and stand against them by protesting, fighting back or spreading the word is what they could want! For one this would create more fear amung the populus! Why? Cause people would either have to accept or reject these theories! Also. I don't know if you have noticed but the alphabet agencies as well as the US military have been preparing for civil unrest.IMHO most of the info that is out now was deliberately been released generally because they want this civil unrest to finish with their police state, To take away more of our rights and to eliminate the seers who participate in standing aginst them!
The reason why they have not released this info on the news media is they just want the smart ones that seek out the info and not the complacent sheeple that only believe what lies are spouted out by the idiot box! also i don't know if any of you noticed but there are things being reported even on the MSM that would have been unheard of years ago!
If anyone disagrees with my theories I would like to hear as to why!

Great Post!
I think what you are getting at here is well explored in the book Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein

The PROBLEM some people have with Conspiracy Theories about some Power That Be controlling everything is that stuff is just so messy. How could anyone predict EXACTLY what is going to happen when the US invades Afghanistan under the premise that there are almost 50 al Qaeda members there when there are more than that in Jupiter Florida? The point is that a true War Profiteer doesn't need to plan anything. All they need to do is get one group angry at another, and sell guns and popcorn to both sides. Whatever gets messed up -- it doesn't matter, as long as YOU can profit from both the disorder, and the cleanup.

Do you think that ANYONE planned for the disaster left in the wake of Katrina? Well, actually, YES -- but they have plans to use government funds to overpay some well positioned insiders like Blackwater and Haliburton to outsource jobs to illegal Mexican workers so that locals don't get paid and make money with gentrification selling off vacated real estate -- it's probably just waiting to happen for California, Texas, and Florida - maybe in your town.

The "Patriot Act" was written by NeoCons who were "wanting a new Pearl Harbor." They didn't need Japanese bombers to actually strafe Hawaii -- they just needed SOMETHING UNFORTUNATE. And when they heard "Bin Laden determined to attack" -- they went back into the "wait for bad thing to happen so we can respond with our guns and popcorn solutions". Whether or not it was surprise, a LIHOP or a MIHOP, the Patriot act and plans to invade Iraq for cheap oil were already written. There's a plan to divvy up Iran and Libya as well.

There are starving people in Darfur, and there are more than 2 million people in prison while the CIA ships coc aine and sells secrets about its citizens to private security companies who sell it to ANYONE who pays.

War is the best profit making scheme and the second best is waiting for a disaster so your cronies can benefit. Coke, Marlboro cigarettes, panty hose, and Levis Blue jeans all became world-wide commodities because they were first distributed to US bases wherever the fighting men put down boots on the ground. It didn't matter that WW II was Good Guys vs. Fascists -- or that we might be the bad guys one day in WW III -- it only matters that you are positioned to sell the guns and the popcorn to both sides.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

The Ancient Greeks had it right; we are the amusement of the Gods.

This I am starting to believe.
"The Matrix"
"They Live"
"Wizard Of Oz"
"The True-Man Show"
"Surrogate"
"Gamer"
"Brave New World"

True Divine intervention may be something as simple as someone awakening from the dream...........

In my opinion there are two types, those inside the matrix looking out, and those on the outside looking in. God help the day when they merge.......

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
And then people come and post complaints, and try to add the the confusion..

I understand the mystery you have realized, you've stated it very clearly.

I hope that this can inspire some of the Unawakened Masses to open their eyes..Sadly I doubt it.

I have no questions and no additional comments, OP. Excellently communicated, totally agreed, wonderful post. Thank you for sharing.

I double that

People don't want to be awekened, they will fight to death to remain enslaved.
They just want to live a quiet life without troubles or much thinking , they are too afraid and lazy to see the real world . They are lost .

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

The Ancient Greeks had it right; we are the amusement of the Gods.

This I am starting to believe.
"The Matrix"
"They Live"
"Wizard Of Oz"
"The True-Man Show"
"Surrogate"
"Gamer"
"Brave New World"

True Divine intervention may be something as simple as someone awakening from the dream...........

In my opinion there are two types, those inside the matrix looking out, and those on the outside looking in. God help the day when they merge.......

edit on 9-5-2012 by All Seeing Eye because: Seers two

Whoa! The True-man Show.. Never ever thought of that!

I did read an article yesterday about Sirius and they showed the clip from the Truman show where a light falls on his head and it has "Sirius" written on it!