Timing is everything?

Creator of all things needs to proclaim he is GOD?

I did a little search and found the deceiver here www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by racer451
Creator of all things needs to proclaim he is GOD?

Of course. People seem not to understand the obvious that if you bring a bunch of people into being, they're going to be asking some serious questions. Chief among them "How did this happen? Why am I here? Who did this?" You think the Creator can just wip out an ID and people would go "Oh well I guess that proves it"? I know I wouldn't. I'd be like "Okay, great, you've got an ID. So how do I know that's real? How do I know you're really the Creator and not just some previous created being and the not the REAL Creator?" What, you expect some dazzling being can just call down lightning and go "See that? See how pretty I am, and I can call down lightning!" I'd just be like "So? That proves nothing in the way of whether or not you're really the Creator."

Now, of course, maybe this isn't the case with you. Maybe you go, "Wow! You called down lightning and can warp spacetime with a snap of your fingers you've just got to be the real deal." Well, not me. I'd be waving my hand off and saying, "Hey that may work for doofus here- but not me. I'm going to need some better proof than that. And just how do I know the nature of the Creator? How do I know He isn't some malign being just wanting to screw with me? I got questions!"

Anyway- that's neither here nor there. The only thing this thread is for is to advance my hypothesis explaining the day-month timings.

I did a little search and found the deceiver here www.abovetopsecret.com...

I might post in your thread why I think your theory is wrong, but truth be told I'm not big into internet discussions, and all this jazz. The only reason I'm even here right now is because when I realized the hypothesis I'm presenting, and that the Tevet 10 date was falling exactly on the Dec 23 Mayan-hype date I said "I got to get this info out there, presto." This is the only time I've ever done this, and if Dec 23 comes and goes with nothing happening, the hypothesis is invalidated (for this year, anyway) and that'll be the end of it.

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I might post in your thread why I think your theory is wrong,

sorry, its not my thread or my work, all I did was use ats search. But its an idea that theorizes the best answer for your search and gives an answer to the greatest deception of all


The Creator is without human emotion of pride and greed. Without any emotion actually. Emotion is a Human characteristic, not spiritual. Humans have tried to make their way back to the gods since they left the planet. Religion is a pipe dream stemmed from pride and greed. Just ask the Mormons. Their myth has also lately been exposed.
To proclaim "I am that I am." starts with a mental insecurity. Lucifer had this very insecurity. Rebellender exploited this notion in that thread.

as for your theory, Take mention of Jehovah God out of it and I will bite on a date. I have a big party planned for the event

Originally posted by racer451
as for your theory, Take mention of Jehovah God out of it and I will bite on a date.

Try not to take this the wrong way- but I couldn't care less about who "bites" and who doesn't. The hypothesis says what it says. If you want to watch, then do: if you don't- don't. [boromir]I care not[/boromir]

*note that's not to say I don't care about you as a person- I do; I just don't care about what you do or don't do.

Your water is magnetics.The trumpets are announcing the changes to the earth or how the earth is dispensing the energy.Solar flares,etc.,

The seals are the Chakras of the earth as well as the human vessel.

Originally posted by MrCobb

Originally posted by racer451
as for your theory, Take mention of Jehovah God out of it and I will bite on a date.

Try not to take this the wrong way- but I couldn't care less about who "bites" and who doesn't. The hypothesis says what it says. If you want to watch, then do: if you don't- don't. [boromir]I care not[/boromir]

*note that's not to say I don't care about you as a person- I do; I just don't care about what you do or don't do.

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hahahahahahahahahah, no you dont...If you have no reply, dont reply...This is make believe cyber world. you say, I say. ATS says get addicted to blog. now there is reality!!! strait up

Originally posted by electricalpup
Your water is magnetics.The trumpets are announcing the changes to the earth or how the earth is dispensing the energy.Solar flares,etc.,

The seals are the Chakras of the earth as well as the human vessel.

Okay. What does this have to do with anything in the thread?

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hahahahahahahahahah, no you dont...If you have no reply, dont reply...This is make believe cyber world. you say, I say. ATS says get addicted to blog. now there is reality!!! strait up

What are you talking about? I did reply. What does any of what you're saying have to do with the thread? Do you normally just go around interjecting meaningless conversations into threads? Go do it in some other thread- there a bunch right on the main page. Go in one of the more flagged pages or something.

Also- don't forget: 10th day of 10th month we're watching for King of Confusion and all his host showing up for a big deception event: this year: Tevet 10 = December 23.

Totem here:

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MrCobb,
Your thread is your hypothesis and while reading, innately I was given on your heavenly water, the magnetics. The energy will be like a flood in a sense in how it effects the human body and the earth.I mean no disrespect. I shall leave your thread.

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No worries- just want to keep the thread as information streamlined as possbile without needless diversions. No offense intended whatsoever.

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Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done Ec 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

(In my best Agent Smith voice)

Mr. Cobb
SnF

You have touched on something I live by my man. Timing is EVRYTHING !

You have peaked my interest and believe you have to be on to something here !
Duly noted.

Good deal, remember to keep your eyes peeled, especially on Dec 23.

About the saying "timing is everything" yep; a lot going on in my studies but more and more it's appearing that those little "sayings" we just quip here and again are turning out to hold some pretty profound truth in them. Well, what can I say but, row row row your boat!

Just wanting to add that Tevet 10 is just the beginning, the day the King of Confusion comes with all his host to the seige. Be aware that this day isn't "the end" but the proverbial beginning of the seige. This will run the same course as found in the scripture: so beginning Tevet 10, 10th day of 10th month (DEC 23 is this year's Tevet 10); then time will pass and

2Ki 25:3 And on the ninth day of the fourth month the famine prevailed in the city, and there was no bread for the people of the land.

So this is an entire timeline:

Jer 39:1 In the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, the tenth day of the month came Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon and all his army against Jerusalem, and they besieged it.
Jer 39:2 And in the eleventh year of Zedekiah, in the fourth month, the ninth day of the month, the city was broken up.

Jer 52:6 And in the fourth month, in the ninth day of the month, the famine was sore in the city, so that there was no bread for the people of the land. 7 Then the city was broken up, and all the men of war fled, and went forth out of the city by night by the way of the gate between the two walls, which was by the king’s garden; (now the Chaldeans were by the city round about)* and they went by the way of the plain.

Jer 52:12 Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, 13 And burned the house of the LORD, and the king’s house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire:

So begins on Tevet 10 ends with the burning of the temple of God with "fire" a few years later; in the 5th month (Av)

*all of this "encompassed the city" "round about" "on every side" used to describe this "invasion/seige" is why Jesus said Jerusalem would be "encompassed by armies" right before the big reveal.

Originally posted by MrCobb
In fact, of all of the events of the bible, you will only find 6 that have timetables embedded into them. Another example is the military campaign of the King of Babel. Of all the kings and wars and battles in the bible, there's not so much a mention of timing. But, suddenly, when we get to the King of Babel- there's a timetable embedded. Again, of what possible use is this information?

Flood
"So Noah, ...went into the ark…" Gen 7
"..the 1st month, the 1st day of the month,"-Gen 8:13

Passover
"10th of this month every man shall take..a lamb"-Ex 12:2-3

Day of Atonement
"10th day of this 7th month shall be the Day of Atonement." Lev 23:27

Sabbaths
"…ninth day of this...month…celebrate your sabbath." - Lev 23:32

Solomon's Temple
"fourth year of Solomon.., month of Ziv"-I Kings 6:1
on the 2nd day...2nd month (of Exodus)...4th year of his reign." 2 Chron 3:2

Jeroboam Apostate
feast on the 15th day of the 8th month"-1 Kings 12:32

Jerusalem Sacked
"5th month, ..the 7th day of the month"-2 Kings 25:8"

Asa's Reform
"3rd month, in the fifteenth year of the reign of Asa."-2 Chron 15:10

Hezekiah's Reform
"..3rd month..Hezekiah..came in and saw the heaps," 2 Chron 31:7-8

Esther Queen
"...tenth month, which is the month of Tebeth"- Esther 2:16

Xerxes Lot
"In the first month, which is the month of Nisan..." - Esther 3:7

Mordecai Triumphs
"..In the 3rd month, which is the month of Sivan,"-Esther 8:
"month of Sivan, on the twenty-third day"-Esth 8:9

Feast of Purim
-"14th and 15th days ...of Adar," Esther 9:21

Exiles Return
Cyrus II issues a decree "build Him a house at Jerusalem"-Ezra 1:1-4

Rebuild House of the Lord
"2nd Month/2nd Year,"-Ezra 3:8-10
"house was finished...3rd day...Adar...6th year of Darius"-Ezra 6:15

Ezra Returns
"1st day..1st month..began his journey from Babylon"Ezra 7:9

Idolatry in the Temple
"..the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month," Ezekiel 8

Babylon set against Jerusalem
"10th month, on the tenth day of the month"-Ezek 24:1


Judgment on Pharoah
"tenth year...tenth month, on the twelfth day" Ezek 29
"11th year, 3rd month, 1st day.. word of the Lord" Ezek 31:1

Babylonian Captivity
"when seventy years are completed." Jeremiah 25:12

Jeremiah Scribes God's Warnings
"...in the fifth year of Jehoiakim...the ninth month," - Jer 36:9

Jerusalem sacked by Nebuchadnezzer
"4th month, on the ninth day of the month," - Jeremiah 39:2

Call to Rebuild Temple
"6th month, on the 1st day of the month"-Haggai 1:1

Call to Return to the Lord
"24th day of the..11th month,..month of Shebat,"-Zech 1:7
"4th day of the 9th month, Chislev" - Zechariah 7:1

Nehemiah's Prayer
"It came to pass in the month of Chislev," - Nehemiah 1:1

Artaxerxes Rebuilds Jerusalem
...month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes," Neh 2:1

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Hey it's stupid girl; good work. Okay I'm going to have to do a little discernment here since you're not really saying anything. I'm going to respond under the presumption that your reply is saying, "Hey wait there's WAY more than 6 verses with day-month timing in them"; and indeed you're correct; there's a number of them- note I'm not saying "this many verses" but this many events. You're in fact misunderstanding what I'm saying. Now, you'll find two types of these "day-month timestamps" in scripture: FESTIVAL related, and JUDGMENT EVENT related: the former always are singular and are a reference to an activity done in relation to the 7 MOEDIM appointed at Lev 23: so you'll see "and the kept the passover on the 14th day of the 1st month" a few times. Or, "and they finished the temple and kept the 7th month festival" a couple of times. The latter (non-festival day-month timing) are always plural and timestamp not just singular but entire timelines of multiple day-month timestamps.

What I'm pointing you at here are the SIX EVENTS which have, not a singular FESTIVAL-related "timestamp" but have ENTIRE TIMELINES "timestamped on them" (this is where your citations are coming from). So all of those citations of yours (save a few which are either festival timings, or not day-month timings at all) are coming from these 6 events: again the events are these:

1. THE FLOOD
2. THE EXODUS
3. THE TEMPLE BUILT
4. THE MILITARY CAMPAIGN OF THE KING OF CONFUSION
5. THE CASTING OF THE PURIM
6. THE TEMPLE REBUILT

Got it? The event next up on the WATCH is TEVET 10 which BEGINS event #4 (MILITARY CAMPAIGN OF KING OF CONFUSION).

I'll tag your responses with which event timeline they correspond to, below (btw any suggestions on exactly why these are in these events, and these events alone? 4 GREAT JUDGMENT events and 2 TEMPLE BUILDING events? Any reason you can think of for including a very exact and specific day-month timeline in the Gen 6 FLOOD event?

The events:

1. FLOOD
2. EXODUS
3. BUILD TEMPLE
4. MILITARY CAMPAIGN OF KING OF CONFUSION
5. CASTING OF PURIM
6. REBUILD TEMPLE

Flood FLOOD (obviously)
"So Noah, ...went into the ark…" Gen 7
"..the 1st month, the 1st day of the month,"-Gen 8:13

Passover EXODUS (this one also FESTIVAL related)
"10th of this month every man shall take..a lamb"-Ex 12:2-3

Day of Atonement FESTIVAL INSTRUCTIONS- no EVENT (yet)
"10th day of this 7th month shall be the Day of Atonement." Lev 23:27

Sabbaths FESTIVAL INSTRUCTIONS- no EVENT
"…ninth day of this...month…celebrate your sabbath." - Lev 23:32

Solomon's Temple TEMPLE CONSTRUCTION
"fourth year of Solomon.., month of Ziv"-I Kings 6:1
on the 2nd day...2nd month (of Exodus)...4th year of his reign." 2 Chron 3:2

Jeroboam Apostate

Originally posted by MrCobb
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Okay I'm going to have to do a little discernment here since you're not really saying anything. I'm going to respond under the presumption that your reply is saying, "Hey wait there's WAY more than 6 verses with day-month timing in them";

A fruitful use of discernment, Mr. Cobb. If only the same could be taught to all the other men in the world, many wives would be spared the perpetual grief of having to spell out what would otherwise seem obvious.

The event next up on the WATCH is TEVET 10 which BEGINS event #4 (MILITARY CAMPAIGN OF KING OF CONFUSION).
1. THE FLOOD
2. THE EXODUS
3. THE TEMPLE BUILT
4. THE MILITARY CAMPAIGN OF THE KING OF CONFUSION
5. THE CASTING OF THE PURIM
6. THE TEMPLE REBUILT

I have yet to discern substantial Truth in your theory, which is compounded by my not understanding why you seem to be starting with event #4?
It stands to reason that if your theory were plausible, then the events would happen in some relative order. Whether the same order that they originally transpired, or their reverse (End from beginning/Beginning to end).
It also stands to reason that there would be correlative dates for the other 5 events on the traditional Jewish calendar. Such as, Exodus being the date of Passover. However, there is no traditional celebratory frame of reference for the flood, which is in the month of Sivan. There is only one traditional observance in Sivan and it is not for the flood.
Perhaps I am simply not following your path of reason. Please correct me if I am wrong or if you have explained this already.

any suggestions on exactly why these are in these events, and these events alone? 4 GREAT JUDGMENT events and 2 TEMPLE BUILDING events?

Nothing of specific significance jumps to mind. However, I am not exactly in an environment conducive to pondering the deeper meanings of existence, at this particular moment.

Any reason you can think of for including a very exact and specific day-month timeline in the Gen 6 FLOOD event?

My best supposition would be the harpazo phenomenon of end-time believers, also referred to as the rapture. Which is another topic within my usual wall of reserve. After years of endeavoring through Biblical literature and the interpretations of men, the only thing I can say with any certainty is that, there is no certainty. Even the Apostles referred to it as a mystery.

Originally posted by stupid girl

I have yet to discern substantial Truth in your theory, which is compounded by my not understanding why you seem to be starting with event #4?

Okay bear in mind that in this thread all I'm doing is proposing a hypothesis to explain the information, right? Nothing more, nothing less. So I am saying do not believe this hypothesis is true; only watch these dates to see if this hypothesis gains predictive power, right? So, no belief required at all- in fact, I demand(request) you do not believe the hypothesis. Only WATCH.

The reason I am at #4 in this thread is because this is the next date. I do not propose these 6 events will run in order, or in reverse, or all at one, overlapping, etc. The naked info is this: if you see a "king and all his host" showing up on Tevet 10 (DEC 23) THEN you can believe the hypothesis has predictive power and is, in fact, validated as true. So while the rest of the world is crying out KING OF PEACE KING OF PEACE KING OF PEACE you can be looking at the date and go NO WAIT! KING OF CONFUSION KING OF CONFUSION KING OF CONFUSION! Got it? Only watch:

Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

Therefore, WATCH these dates.

It stands to reason that if your theory were plausible, then the events would happen in some relative order. Whether the same order that they originally transpired, or their reverse (End from beginning/Beginning to end).

Or it may be that some are already fulfilled. Consider the beginnings of the nation of Israel. Called out of physical bondage by the physical deliverer; this physical exodus began when? On PASSOVER? Yes? Go to the NT and see the beginnings of the spiritual nation of Israel (Christians) called out of spiritual bondage by the spiritual Deliverer? See the exodus from spiritual Egypt being replayed? Beginning when? PASSOVER? Crucifixon?

That is how the nation began. Now look at how it ends: in the OT Israel is hopelessly corrupted by false teachers and a "merchandising" priesthood. The Lord sends the King of Confusion against them on the 10th day of the 10th month to "overcome the saints" and carry them away CAPTIVE into "Great Babel/Confusion": okay, this all came to pass in a physical way in the days of the prophets (such as Jeremiah): now what do we have here?

A BEGINNING with an EXODUS on NISAN 14 (fulfilled spiritually by Christ at first coming)

An ENDING with a CAPTIVTY on TEVET 10 (fulfilled spiritually by antichrist prior to second coming)

However, there is no traditional celebratory frame of reference for the flood, which is in the month of Sivan.

Indeed there is not. And the Flood is anomalous how? The only judgment event upon EVERYONE in the world outside of a national covenant- whereas the other 5 timelines are specifically in regard to the national SINAI COVENANT.

After years of endeavoring through Biblical literature and the interpretations of men, the only thing I can say with any certainty is that, there is no certainty. Even the Apostles referred to it as a mystery.

Be sure to note that a "mystery" is something that is revealed to initiates; it is a "mystery" to everyone outside the initiated group.

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Thank you for your informative explanation. Although I understand your intentions are not to claim yourself a prophet, I feel compelled to point out the contradictory nature of your comments. On the one hand, you are emphatic that you are not asking anyone to believe your theory, yet you have posted it publicly, imploring everyone to keep fast attention to your words to validate your claims should your theory transpire. If you truly don't want anyone to believe something, then the sensible thing would be to not mention it at all to avoid drawing attention to yourself.

I'm not trying to split hairs with you, Mr. Cobb, I'm simply pointing out that many individuals may disregard any validity to your theory altogether based on the inconsistencies they may extrapolate from the way you have chosen to word your comments.
Personally, I find it interestingly curious and certainly worthy enough to note a reference back to, should some sort of anomalous event actually occur on this upcoming date.
My only point of contention is your use of Jesus' comment regarding the validity of His own Words, to validate yours. But that is neither here, nor there.

I would also never describe or refer to myself as an initiate. I am full aware that this may fall under the argument of semantics for most, however the term "initiate" is intimately associated with the ancient mystery schools and occult, both of which my faith expressly forbids. I would describe myself as a follower of Christ, His teachings and the Scriptures they are based upon. With that in mind, Mr. Cobb, I would refer to myself as a Christian-- which, for all intents and purposes, simply means "Christ-like." Having said that, I am aware that you apparently disagree with the simple interpretation of this identification and associate it with its antithesis and culmination of demise- also referred to as the spirit of antichrist.

I have no doubt that God has, can and will reveal His eternal mysteries to men of faith that seek Him first. However, the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven are utterly subject to being revealed how and when He sees fit. Having said that, I see no offense to God in fellowshipping with others over humble speculations.

Originally posted by stupid girl
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I feel compelled...

My response here runs a little over the length allowed by a single response; so concludes in response below this one-

The seeming "paradox" is arising through the fact that I'm directing what I'm saying to different groups of people. If I'm speaking to a group of Christians, then I'll be saying "this is the Word of the Lord", if I'm speaking to a group of people- regardless of religious beliefs- then I'm going to be speaking differently. In fact, every single person I reply to will get a different "word" depending on how they are addressing me. So you may see me standing on a mountain saying "You sons of Abraham, listen to me! Our fathers etc etc." or you may see me sitting on a wall saying, "Okay listen up you buffoons, I got an IDEA to share" or you may find me parousing the marketplace and asking someone quietly, "What do you think this object is good for?" It's all determined by, who my words are directed toward and, more importantly, what it is they bring to bear "against God", as it were.

This thread is mainly directed toward everyone which group is mainly unbelievers; so I'm going to use their sword (science) to "destroy" them (for I'm telling you the truth; whatever men have used to "attack God" then that thing I am turning back against them and to "destroy" them with their own sword, you see?) So here in this thread, when speaking to everyone and not just responding to individuals, such as yourself, I am not speaking "theologically" (for I only use the "sword of theology" against them that "attack God" with "theology", you see?)

So in this thread we are using the scientific method. We are constructing a hypothesis to explain information in this given information-set of the bible. Now, no good scientist just "believes" the hypothesis to be correct until it is verified through observation to demonstrate the predictive power of the hypothesis; then giving rise to a fully formed theory. Correct? So consider that right now we've got our proverbial "lab coats" and "goggles" on and I'm addressing the group of "I worship teh science!" people and saying, "Cool; then have I got a hypothesis for you!"

Personally, I find it interestingly curious...

Okay but make note that I am attaching no certain year to these day-month timings. I am just advocating ONE CYCLE of watching these dates (next up: Tevet 10: King of Confusion and all his host): so, if nothing happens on Tevet 10 (DEC 23) of this year 2012- then at the very least hopefully I've burned into enough memories this "false winter/Tevet event" that when it does occur (and it will) then you'll still remember what I've said here and it will shoot through your memory and, say, in 2014 you'll see the event, look at the calendar and see TEVET 10 and recall what I said.

However, bear in mind that this year's Tevet 10 (DEC 23) just happens to be one of two proposed Mayan long-count end-date (DEC 21 being the other): as I've said, I've watched Tevet 10 like a hawk for years. I just recently realized (with a shock) that this year, the entire world is being lead to watch it with me. So, that's highly "coincidental" wouldn't you think?

My only point of contention is your use of Jesus' comment regarding the validity of His own Words, to validate yours. But that is neither here, nor there.

Yeah but these dates are not my words at all. I'm not the one who came to Ezekiel on Tevet 10 and commanded "Write the name of the day, of this same day; the King of Confusion set himself against Jerusalem this same day", right? I'm not the one writing these dates' I'm just the one pointing out to you what God said just as when I asked, "Of what use is this information in scripture?" I again point to what Jesus (not me) said His reasons were.

I would also never describe or refer to myself as an initiate...

No no, I would refer to any of the "elect" as Christians, because, the truth is that Christianity is good, and is on the side of God- but that the WORD has been "hijacked" by people claiming the name but who are not genuine; thus the make people think the word "Christian" means one thing, when it does not. This is the "false image" spoken of in the Revelation. Much like the mystery schools "hijacked" the word "initiate" to bring it into ill-repute; much like the atheists have "hijacked" the word "science" to bring it into ill-repute. All of these words are being "hijacked" and becoming TWO: just as the name "Israel" has been hijacked from the TRUE ISRAEL JESUS CHRIST and is being applied to that "little" nation over in the Middle East.

TRUE Christianity/FALSE Christianity
TRUE science/FALSE science
TRUE Israel/FALSE Israel
TRUE Jesus/FALSE Jesus

It's the "hijacking" of these words to create this contrasting "opposition" that causes the confusion to begin with. To quote, "The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words. George Orwell made this clear in his novel 1984." from an essay by Philip K Dick (a good read) deoxy.org...

However, the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven are utterly subject to being revealed how and when He sees fit.

Exactly true. You are a breath of fresh air.