F-22 Pilots Told Not to Talk

reply to post by Laxpla


Link one article on f35
link two article on f22 repacement
link three article on f35

what exactly are you trying to spoon feed me?

Why cant they just have a manufacturer recall on the plane and not have they govt. Spend any money on fixing it. If the manufacturer cant get it right like toyota, they should be held accountable to resolve it without the tax payers expense!

reply to post by dashdespatch


............. I'm speachless right now, are you trying to troll me? You obviousally didn't look at the links, put the pieces together. The answer is money, and the development of the 6th generation aircraft in the future.


Link 1: What the future of a 6th generation fighter might look like, F/A-X
Link 2: Replacement for the F-22 might look like.
Link 3: Its a aviation website.... Browse it. Yes there is a article on the F-35, along with hundreds of other articles on different aircraft....????


www.washingtonpost.com...
www.cleveland.com...

You could have easily typed in google... Why has F-22 Production stopped.

reply to post by Alchemst7


Exactly how more men have to die to make this "invincible" aircraft function correctly, I know somebody is going to post that pilots die to get planes to be reliable but this thing first flew nearly 15 years ago how long will it take?

reply to post by Laxpla


I thought this post was about the f22 raptor. i must be some stupid english guy i am so sorry if i misunderstood the post f22 Pilots Told Not To Talk

reply to post by dashdespatch


Its okay I accept your apology, I hope I helped you figuring out your questions regarding the F-22.

Do you understand the concept of sarcasm?

I just wanted to point something out quick. So people have said it's ~$500 billion right? Well, that money is borrowed from the Fed and other countries. That means we have to pay interest on that tiddy little sum as well. So, in reality we are paying way more than ~$500 billion! Whenever I hear a congressman, usually a Republican who unconditionally bends over for the military, say we have to cut social programs because we are broke it really makes my blood boil to read about a $500 billion dollar aircraft. Just one program. Even if the monetary system wasn't fraud and theft, this would still be taking food from homeless and poor children's mouths. Instead of saying what it's worth in money, you could start saying what it's worth in humans starving to death. That sounds more realistic.

This country cannot be fixed, it must be started anew. We need a clean slate and for every government employee to be replaced with people who only want our society to progress and not to take over the world with some supra-nationalistic boner for killing and taking over other people. America is a cesspool of corruption and psychopaths. It's almost like there are two species of human; One that wants to murder, rape, steal, and control other people and the other that wants peace, prosperity, scientific advancement, and a realization we are all a part of humanity. We look towards space and a new frontier, while the other looks to take what you have and enslave you for profit. The true enemy are the barbarian humans. Time for evolution to work it's magic, I'd say. Let them kill each other off, while the intelligent humans blast off into the stars. I'm so sick of barbarians and idiots! This time the military won't run the program like how intelligence agencies enjoy destroying democracy and progress around the world. Good god, not a single human would be homeless or hungry if the military was either dismantled or severely cut back. This unconditional patriotism is just propaganda to let the military get away with stealing our prosperity. Makes me rage. (Yes, I know it's unrealistic to dismantle the military just saying and it's a great example of how the barbarians rule the world since every country has some type of military. Take back the planet from the untermensch.) Rant over. I think the first paragraph is pretty spot on though. Those numbers for the cost of this project should include the interest accrued over the next half century since we won't be paying this back for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

reply to post by KillThePoor


All that money and the thing has never been used in anger. Dont get me wrong its a beautiful aircraft but honestly whats the point of it?

Good god, I knew the F22 had been taken out of production and it wasn't cheap but how much!!
At least it looks cool in the movies, I still prefer the F14, might just be my top gun love though.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by jahn369

 

I'm having a hard time catching my breath..... I knew these were expensive, but... OMG.

Last week the Air Force officially received the last F-22 Raptor from defense contracting giant Lockheed Martin, completing an order of 187 planes that cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $79 billion -- meaning that including research, development and production among other costs, each plane has a price tag of more than $420 million. Despite being the most advanced fighters on the planet, none of the planes have been used on a combat mission since they went combat-ready in late 2005. Critics told ABC News that's because the jet was designed to fight rival, sophisticated fighters – an enemy that doesn't exist right now.

(From OP link...Emphasis Mine)

(cough cough) (choking)...does that say 420 MILLION U.S. Dollars PER PLANE? For Air Superiority Fighters?? A billion a copy for a B-2 Bomber makes sense if that cost is what makes it invisible to the systems it has to be. A front line fighter?? At almost half a billion? I really hope we never face an enemy that can shoot down an American F-22. We'll have a legitimate reason for a day of mourning on the Airplane alone, after the Pilot ejects and gets back safely. It's enough to go Half Staff if we lose a Pilot as well!

Direct to OP though, I can't understand how this was talked about in the first place either. It can't possibly be what it looks like. These guys fly one of the most advanced planes on the Planet. Do we really think they aren't tracked very closely?? If for no other reason, than to make sure someone doesn't kidnap one of them as the chances for war increase. (A few nations would likely give a lot to know details of those planes). There also aren't that MANY of them.....so how do a couple pilots spill their guts to the media and not have their own security figure out who did it by the end of the day?

edit on 8/5/2012 by Sauron because: internal quote tags to external quote tags

The ridiculous per aircraft price tag is the inevitable consequence of not buying as many as was originally intended.

The development cost (non recurring expenditure) is the same whether you build 10 or 500. The fewer you build the fewer airframes that can be spread across. Thus generating the silly numbers.

The F-22 is in a way more ambitious than the B2. Having the stealth with super-cruise and super manoeuvrability is arguably the more impressive achievement.

Whatever is wrong will be fixed and i think the decision to close the line when they did will historically be considered a strategic error.

What a turkey this has become, looked good on paper and pictures and in simulators back in the 80`s when it was thought the Russians were a threat. All this time and mony spent could have been used on developing further on the F-15 Eagle.


With all the systems(well the ones that work) the F-22 has plus better SEAD weapons both defensive and offensive you wouldn`t need the F22 if you had this "Super Eagle". Imagine if you had the capability to instead of deflecting and absorbing radar waves you had a system that could duplicate the signals return rendering the aircraft or strike package invisible to radar.

I guess nobody told `em lizards cant fly

reply to post by StratosFear


The F-22 is the replacement for the F-117's mission, not just the F-15's.

reply to post by StratosFear


no need to have stealth fighters, unless to escort stealth bombers.. but than stealth bombers wouldnt be stealth if they needed excorts.

but they should have extremely visible fighters, make one jet appear as 20 jets on the radar lol than they wont know which one is the real one. of course im just talking fantasy. a fighters purpose is air superiority so if it has that, the next is to be sure that it is seen as a deterance.

Originally posted by chevy369
This is what happens when the cheapest manufacture wins the contract.

trust me. I worked for the government and that is a B.S. line!
It goes to has the friends in the highest places. The contractor that we dealt with has had it for over 15 years and it goes up for bid every year and they get it every year. kinda like insider treading you scratch my back I scratch yours.

reply to post by tazman1970


I dont think that either the yf22 or the yf 23 can be described as "cheap"

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by fixer1967

 

Multiple things, the coatings, the reflective shape, the EW package. I know the skin on the F117 or was it SR-71 was pretty toxic.

It is the F117 that is toxic. I remember when I saw some people on the news in Kosovo jumping up and down on a F117 that got shot down. I told my buddies, "They will die within a couple years." I wonder if it is hydrazine that is making the mechanics sick.....Hydrazine is pretty bad stuff. It is used as a type of emergency fuel on fighter aircraft. 1 part per million will pretty much guarantee cancer when you get older in age.

Originally posted by choos
reply to post by StratosFear

 

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but they should have extremely visible fighters, make one jet appear as 20 jets on the radar lol than they wont know which one is the real one. of course im just talking fantasy. a fighters purpose is air superiority so if it has that, the next is to be sure that it is seen as a deterance.

This is called electronic warfare and it already exists. Problem is software develops at such a rapid pace its hard to keep certain models fooled.

I heard once there is a system in development that would allow electronic warfare systems to "hack" enemy fire control systems rendering anything controled by the onboard computer useless, including fly-by-wire systems. Cant prove it, just pilot talk

reply to post by mbkennel


Now they have UCAVs for that purpose the F-117 had, the whole point of sending them in was to penetrate heavily defended airspace and attack undetected. Why send a pilot into harms way when you can send a remote controlled aircraft with 4000lbs of laser or satellite guided love?

It's alright. I found a replacement pilot for these jets.