SOHO down. "Emergency Sun Reacquisition" mode. Lost the Sun. Seismos down as well

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Like your source indicates, San Onofre has been shut down since Jan 31 due to a leak in a steam tube.

Diablo Canyon was shut down in April. Read about it HERE

PG&E's utility said it shut down one of the Diablo Canyon units after marine wildlife entered large underwater pipes that siphon seawater to the plant to cool its steam generators.

No reason to elevate the Chicken # Little Alert Level.

Well Clearly, if there were a conspiracy to hide something happening they would not say they closed the nuke plant for no reason at all.
I thought you was reading this thread because it was about a possible hidden agenda by some powers that be? If you don't want to look into possible reasons for being "alerted' why read this thread?

Personally I get tired of people telling me not to read scary stuff or say scary stuff and move along...if i want to read about gay Travolta or whatever I would and so should you think if you are getting scared leave others to make up their own minds what to say, read and think!

Take it slow, y'all... Here is NOAA, up to date ----
www.n3kl.org...
and for all real hecklers, here is the link to Haarp, still alive...
www.haarp.alaska.edu...
SO PLEASE DO NOT SPELL DISASTER YET !!!

Has anyone caught the latest that the sunspot (earth facing next 12 days) is big enough to be viewed with naked eye? Never before in my life time I can say. Someone may have already posted , been crackling M class all day so sure being covered here I don't get on here much but thought I would add here> Hoping to come across member Educated Hick too Hello from Paaatriot101> Got some extra XRay films if you wanna stop by and take a look at the hole in the sun as big as 12 earths? Sunrise or sunset best time. Continuing with our solar theme ...that sunspot we will be seeing for the next 12 days? It is as big as 12 earths and can be seen by the naked eye at sunrise and sunset (I have X Ray films to look through www.spaceweather.com...
The sunspot looks a lot like Hawaii, but it is much bigger than any island on Earth. From end to end the sprawling active region stretches ~160,000 km, or a dozen times wider than our entire planet. If you have a sunspot telescope, take a look. The view is magnificent.

We are living in some amazing days eh? Peace all from the Paaatriot101

reply to post by PuterMan
Maybe I can help. It's that huge yellow thing in the sky. Can't miss it.

Originally posted by PaaatRiot101
Has anyone caught the latest that the sunspot (earth facing next 12 days) is big enough to be viewed with naked eye? Never before in my life time I can say.

It's actually quite common for sunspots to be visible to the naked eye. 100030 during 2003 was as you can read about here

Perhaps you are very young, like only 12 or something?

reply to post by PuterMan


SOHO has LOST THE SUN? Are you F@#$%ING kidding me?

Originally posted by BrunoAbroad
reply to post by PuterMan

 

SOHO has LOST THE SUN? Are you F@#$%ING kidding me?

Have you ever tried pointing a telescope accurately at the sun????? believe me, it is not that easy.

I wish to appologise for my mistake. I thought that SOHO was a Japanese satellite. Actually it turns out that I was wrong. SOHO was a project created by NASA cooperating with the ESA "European Space Agency".

SOHO was launched in 1995 as a joint effort between NASA and the European Space Agency, with a sole aim to study the Sun. The mission was supposed to last just two years, but it is still plugging away and has approved support from ESA to continue to do so until at least December.

Every once in a while I peek at the going conversations. Never ceases to increase my fears for our species. Few who talk about science even know its precepts. Few who talk about mysticism either. But for the power to post, anyone can profess an assumed knowledge based on unscientific information. To prove anything you need measurable or corroborative information, vetted by people who DO know science and if possible specialize in the area of discussion. But the media is a cesspool of rumor, sensationalized, knee-jerk and assumed information, and we sheep gorge ourselves, get fat with non-information and imagine we know something. All the more righteous if the information fits our particular belief system and ontology (view of the world).

I tried a bit of spotting for these subjects, trying to correct peoples information, but it was like searching for bad smells with poopy pants. In order to substantiate my own arguments for a sound science for these subjects, and because this the responsibility for an intelligent exploration of the facts, I was spending inordinate amounts of time grabbing good expert vetted information to link or otherwise arguing for the science. While that is fun and educational, I realized I was unfortunately doing the work for those here who do not do their science homework. It was my folly to try and correct anyone who did not want to be corrected, and I suffered the slings and arrows of that here.

The facts are usually under tons of details we know little of unless we dig. Solar sciences, the space-based imaging and research have particularities in it's imaging technologies that if you are not informed can look like anything. Few know what the technology involves and what the so-called anomalies mean. I am not innocent of such assumptive ideas, but I did my homework, knew solar physicists I could ask questions, and while I found they were not as informed on the technical delivery of data they used as I hoped, I went further into the technical of the imaging. I found that the imaging is not all optical, or otherwise what we would assume are lenses and sensors. The systems generate anomalies for many reasons that most would not understand, but that we can use a BS meter to parse the probabilities. An assumed "space ship" on the edge of a solar image with a length the diameter of the Earth is more likely something else. It could be wilder than a space ship too. It could be plasma-based lifeforms for all we know, grazing in the photosphere of the star. But we can't know. Yet armed with some sober methods of research we can keep the tin foil hat from finding our heads. Use our new super computer for the species (Google,Bing-internet) and follow up, find good information, substantiate it, then make your arguments. It's slow, but better information and you educate yourself too.

To qualify, UFOs and visiting species do exist. I know this from personal experience. I believe we are a very young species who have very bad habit's. So much so that our neighbors would not want to invite us for dinner. We assume we are the smartest of beings, but are closer to the dumbest pre-intelligent species in this local arm of the galaxy. Even our best sciences are in day care and not out of the gate yet to first grade. So assume we are ignorant, and with that bit of humility go forward. Because as soon as we think we know something we will find it was just another skin layer of the onion of truth.

So how do we get out of this pit of ignorance? Educating ourselves and exercising our tolerance of ignorance too. Our own ignorance. Learn and share information, but get better information constantly.

Some day things will change. Then it will change again, and again. We can say that is a fact for now. But to make it through all the changes we need to constantly educate and try understanding rather than just adapting a view based on information that is not well thought out. Tabloid intelligence is a trap, not a door to the next room of reality school.

ZG

reply to post by CAELENIUM


Good for you, and admitting such a small mistake is in the process of education and understanding. But don't be hard on yourself. Just adapt the habit of asking yourself if you know what you are talking about. All you need to do is type in SOHO to a search engine and you would know in a second.

But let's not learn by mistakes. Look it up and then tell others what you know, because in most cases by looking, you will know more about the subject than most.



ZG

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by CAELENIUM

 

Good for you, and admitting such a small mistake is in the process of education and understanding. But don't be hard on yourself. Just adapt the habit of asking yourself if you know what you are talking about. All you need to do is type in SOHO to a search engine and you would know in a second.

But let's not learn by mistakes. Look it up and then tell others what you know, because in most cases by looking, you will know more about the subject than most.

ZG

Sorry, I take exception to your post, especially where you say

But let's not learn by mistakes

By making mistakes is the way we learn. If I read something, it doesn't stick in my brain. Whereas if I do something, even if it is a mistake, that stays in my mind. Maybe it is just me, but I don't view mistakes as something negative. Instead, I view making a mistake as a positive experience, something I can learn from, more than googling a fact, or reading it.

Please don't view my post as being negative, but for me, well, we learn by making mistakes. Either the thing that we work on explodes, or somebody else tells us "Hey, you idiot, you did this and that wrong". That is the way we learn (or at least the way I learn).

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Although I agree entirely with your assessment of the current
state of our being, I have to do so with qualifications.
On ATS there are many alarmists, many dreamers and some plain ol hacks.
But if not here, where? If this were a site to discuss scientific theories
at a graduate level, then (less a few members & their kinda boring)
we'd fail miserably.

ATS is the place to say,"The sky is Falling!"
And those that do are quickly ridiculed and pay that price.
What's interesting to me is the habitual debunker who
lives their online life on ATS. It makes sense to me
when a member says ELENIN will get us!
Or Obama eats Christian Babies! I know it's not
true but I expect it. A more interesting study for me
are the never believe anything members, which I am
certainly not accusing you of because of your
belief in ET's. But for the others?
Why continue day after day on a site called
Above Top Secret?

That's more weird than the Sky is falling guy or girl.
So although I agree with your extremely well written
post about the state of our species, I'd say go easy
because it is ATS.
And at least it's not GLP...
I always feel like I need a shower after I visit that site.

Great post though.

reply to post by CAELENIUM


OK but what about the calculations you said you received? Why can't you post those?

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
Every once in a while I peek at the going conversations. Never ceases to increase my fears for our species. Few who talk about science even know its precepts. Few who talk about mysticism either. But for the power to post, anyone can profess an assumed knowledge based on unscientific information. To prove anything you need measurable or corroborative information, vetted by people who DO know science and if possible specialize in the area of discussion. But the media is a cesspool of rumor, sensationalized, knee-jerk and assumed information, and we sheep gorge ourselves, get fat with non-information and imagine we know something. All the more righteous if the information fits our particular belief system and ontology (view of the world).

I tried a bit of spotting for these subjects, trying to correct peoples information, but it was like searching for bad smells with poopy pants. In order to substantiate my own arguments for a sound science for these subjects, and because this the responsibility for an intelligent exploration of the facts, I was spending inordinate amounts of time grabbing good expert vetted information to link or otherwise arguing for the science. While that is fun and educational, I realized I was unfortunately doing the work for those here who do not do their science homework. It was my folly to try and correct anyone who did not want to be corrected, and I suffered the slings and arrows of that here.

The facts are usually under tons of details we know little of unless we dig. Solar sciences, the space-based imaging and research have particularities in it's imaging technologies that if you are not informed can look like anything. Few know what the technology involves and what the so-called anomalies mean. I am not innocent of such assumptive ideas, but I did my homework, knew solar physicists I could ask questions, and while I found they were not as informed on the technical delivery of data they used as I hoped, I went further into the technical of the imaging. I found that the imaging is not all optical, or otherwise what we would assume are lenses and sensors. The systems generate anomalies for many reasons that most would not understand, but that we can use a BS meter to parse the probabilities. An assumed "space ship" on the edge of a solar image with a length the diameter of the Earth is more likely something else. It could be wilder than a space ship too. It could be plasma-based lifeforms for all we know, grazing in the photosphere of the star. But we can't know. Yet armed with some sober methods of research we can keep the tin foil hat from finding our heads. Use our new super computer for the species (Google,Bing-internet) and follow up, find good information, substantiate it, then make your arguments. It's slow, but better information and you educate yourself too.

Your post is far too rational and detailed. One seeks to be a part of the initiates of science so one can simply sweep the hand and proclaim the uninitiated a stupid, senseless moron, which is what the majority of science based replies are. In the same vein, the initiates of science also make sure they reveal nothing of their magic. You needed to speak to users of the systems, only to find out like a good class based initiate system, the users were less informed then you'd hoped. This has always been the problem with initiated based systems: we know, you know what we tell you to know and nothing more. We won't tell you how things work, at least not in detail, and we'll never let you know that we are as in the dark as anyone - we'll just let you know you're more in the dark then we would never admit.

All of this is done without the inclusion of anything that can't be measured with a measuring stick - for things to be real they must be measured. Is it any wonder folks jump to conclusions? Is it any wonder that many feel, and some know, that much of the conclusion jumping is by design, with the topics for conclusion jumping released in ways that not only encourage it, but bring out the inevitable adrenaline dump when "oh by the way, here is the rest of the story" happens?

Can't possibly read through all these posts.

Can someone sum up - in Layman's terms - what the original post implied, and what has transpired, since?

Thanks, in advance.

S & F for the thread.

The SOHO satellite it like what, 17 years old? I would not be surprised if it goes off line for good soon. . They already have something better that we will never know about so if SOHO goes to that great junk yard in the sky we will just have get alone will it.

reply to post by ZeroGhost


You mistake some of us for the fearful type...but also you should recognize that science is full of junk, and lies.

Coverups, hiding knowledge, it is all VERY dark and sinister really...and it is a game that will be lost for those in the HIDING business...you know, the scared ones, the ones that fear.

The ones that always have had a healthy fear for the higher realms...just like a religion, the OH NO!! they may come and get me for revealing !! Those types...i find are all OVER science, subconsciously or even consciously destroying anything that can possibly offer insight...and pretending they have some answers...well TOO BAD.

So SAD that we will have to TAKE the fear right out of it, and that means...well time to get some REALITY.

No longer will delusion be able to hide itself behind other delusions...and the bored scoffers that make up all of the "It is explainable as anything but what we say it is" CREW.

Have you heard about this?

YouTuber claims NASA has edited footage of spaceship near Sun out of SOHO footage

about this video only 1 minute.



He claims he saw this huge anomaly near the sun on May 3rd, and as we all know SOHO got shut down on the 4th.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by schlomo
Have you heard about this?

YouTuber claims NASA has edited footage of spaceship near Sun out of SOHO footage

about this video only 1 minute.

It's been mentioned a few times...

Twice on pages 3, 4, 9, and once on page 11 in this thread thus far (this isn't including your post).

Hope that answers your question. =D

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