Why I chose Mitt Romney over Ron Paul and Barack Huessein Obama II

reply to post by OliverNorthsCat


I'm assuming (hoping) that was tongue in cheek. Iran already possesses the capability to inflict massive damage on Israel, non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction (bio and chem). They've not used them, or given them to terrorists. Because they are reasonable, reasonable enough to know they will also be wiped out, and reasonable enough to know that countries with nukes don't get attacked, instead they get shovels full of money and unconditional alliances with the USA no matter how many extremists live there. Just ask Pakistan.

Voting for either Ron Paul or Mitt Romney is a disaster, but Mitt Romney is worst. At least Ron Paul attacks the FED somewhat and is for limited foreign interventions. We need a smaller military-industrial complex and less friendship with israel.

We need to let iran do as it wants and I have no reason to believe they want to develop nukes. Sure they may dislike the nation of israel but who doesn't? Why should anyone be fond of the international jew bankers and their stranglehold of all the global economies?

Secondly yes we need a smaller government but ONLY where there is too much waste and especially in surveillance of americans and anyone who does not kiss right wing ass. Even on ATS 9 out of 10 posters are right wing fanatics and it scares me.

Lets keep social welfare strong and dismantle the self-serving government. NASA is a total waste on the tax-payers, cia is a waste, nsa is even bigger waste. Dismantle half the national security staff and send them home. Neither russia nor china will ever attack. They are light-years behind us in advanced technology and we are wasting tax payer money for bs.

That is all I have to say!

I'd honestly like to thank the OP for giving his reasonings, for his endorsement of the Candidate of his choice.
Although we have differing opinions on who we are voting for....LESS insults and more Debating or Discussion of why anything takes place, gives rise to better understanding.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

So? I don't think Romney is a savior, I just want to give him a chance to try and fix the mess Obama has left us in because I think he feels deeply for the state the country is in. You can hear it in his speeches. So as you say no President is any different than the other what makes you think your choice for President will be different? Just because YOU think he is? I'm guessing it's Ron Paul here.

He obviously cannot feel very "deeply" about the state our that our country is in, if he is one the bankers who put us here to begin with. He wasn't fighting to save houses from being foreclosed on, he was collecting the checks. He wasn't worried about the stock market crashing, and bankrupting thousands of people. He was on the inside collecting profits from everybody else's losses. This is the type of man you think wants to solve our problems? You don't think he's just saying what the people want to hear, in order to collect your vote? Why does he have so much trouble sticking to a specific viewpoint? Why does his opinion always change with regards to the public opinion? He isn't being honest at all. I would never vote for a man, whom I cannot trust, to be my commander in chief. It's as simple as that.

Cheers

Originally posted by Nostalgic
He isn't being honest at all. I would never vote for a man, whom I cannot trust, to be my commander in chief. It's as simple as that.

Cheers

I would not want him even as a stray dog catcher, but unfortunately for the ignorant masses who vote for such morons, he is par on the course. People have every god-given right to vote for whom they please, yet they always vote for the lesser of two evils...because it has been ingrained in 99% that a vote for a small party equates to a wasted vote.

I assume Ron Paul got sick and tired of getting shafted as a libertarian, and saw light in the republican party.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
The highly anticipated thread about why I am voting for Mitt Romney:

A few bullet points to get your minds going...

Mitt Romney believes that it is unacceptable for Iran to possess a nuclear weapon.
Believes in a strong military offensive as well as defensive.
Mitt Romney wants to amend the clean air act and any other crazy environmental polices that Obama has enacted in his three years.
Mitt Romney would like to modernized medicare and social security so that they are sustainable for our generation.
Mitt Romney believes whole heatedly in legal immigration, as his family were immigrants. As were all of ours. He knows the system for immigration is broken and he wants to streamline it and take away unnecessary regulations that makes it harder for immigrants to come here. He will secure the border and take away all entitlements which entice immigrants to come here illegally.
Mitt Romney understands that any economic turnaround starts with realistic and attainable goals. Which is why he has proposed his plan which cuts federal spending below 20% for the first year. He will cut $500 Billion by 2016. He will also make congress cut 5% of their budget across the board on day one!

Other plans that affect the economy will be to:
repeal ObamaCare saving $95 Billion as well as individual liberty
He wants to privatize Amtrak which will save us 1.6 Billion
He wants to cut $600 Million in federal subsidies to corporations like PBS and Legal Services Corporation
He wants to eliminate Planned Parenthood which will save us $300 Million
He wants to reduce foreign aid by $100 Million and ask congress why they are sending money to enemies of America. He will eliminate that as well.

For personal income Mitt Romney would like to make 20% tax cuts across the board
Eliminate taxes for those making $200,000 or LESS
For Corporations he would like to make a 25% tax cut across the board.

For Health Care. In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens.

Let me know if you want me to include something that I missed and I will surely go back and tell you what Romney wants to do. See, Mitt Romney does not look like Obama so much now does he? While he may not have "revolutionary" plans like Ron Paul, we can't honestly start to fix the problems without first doing something drastic but reasonable and realistic about them!

All information was taken from MittRomney.com

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hello,

lol, i would like to respond to your "facts"

and opinions

thank you internet and ATS for this opportunity



Iran has every right to use nuclear technology, they wish to be self sufficient and to not rely on oil as oil will not be used in the future( although i'm NOT a fan of nuclear technology and there are better ways which will be revealed in the near future).



strong military offense? what for? lol, only enemies in the world are the ones usa creates with it's bombs.....

karma is real



no clean air act? lol

you should be placed in the middle of phoenix arizona and experience smog...

we will clean up this world, Humans deserve/require pure air, food and water



on your other points i'm not going to argue, but i do not agree with them...

the problem with politicians like romney and many others is that they do not fix things, they don't go far enough....just enough to keep you hanging on


well that is going to end, romeny will not be our next president as he is low consciousness..

romney=wall street/trickle down economics/anti-natural/mr.material world


watch these two videos..

"when mitt romney came to town"

and

"mitt romney denies cancer patient medical marijuana"


also romney has lots of corruption and voter fraud swirling around him...


look around

Hey OP watch this video.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


I'll reply to the nonsense and hilarity that is this thread by simply reminding the OP that:

• Mitt Romney was for a woman's right to choose.
• Mitt Romney is against a woman's right to choose.
• Mitt Romney was for the bailouts.
• Mitt Romney smears the President for the bailouts.
• Mitt Romney exported jobs to the orient, after taking over companies.
• Mitt Romney criticizes the president on jobs.



We can play this all night. He is an embarrassment...and anyone who publicly admits to supporting him, should be shamed & ridiculed.

Mitt Romney is a hypocritical dishonest âsshat whose appointment to lead the clown show on the right, is highly indicative of the side show of mongoloids that is the GOP of today. While Barrack Obama is hardly perfect, he is a center-right establishment politician who is HARDLY a socialist (Health Care reform? Look back 10 years at the GOP who supported the health mandate and then cry me a river....No empire that has ignored the health of their poor, has survived....ever.) and is fairly transparent about his goals. As much as the GOP/Fox News crowd try to make him out to be the anti christ....I see zero proof of it, less the unsupported claims, rhetoric & conspiracy theories.

reply to post by Kang69


Hey Kang69 great video you beat me to it! Yesterday there was an article in the mainstream media describing how little difference their is between Romney and Obama and I wish I had bookmarked it. For the record one mainstream media source has admitted that they are the same.

reply to post by Unidentified_Objective


After watching this video, you would have to be brain dead to believe anything that Romney's campaign has said either previously or in the future.

It's clearly amazing that there are so many thick headed, stubborn Americans.

The best metaphor I can think of is arguing with a child that the WWE isn't real, is all staged. They fight tooth and nail because they want to believe in their hero's.

This video must have taken some serious time to compile. Simply amazing.

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

I'll reply to the nonsense and hilarity that is this thread by simply reminding the OP that:

• Mitt Romney was for a woman's right to choose.
• Mitt Romney is against a woman's right to choose.
• Mitt Romney was for the bailouts.
• Mitt Romney smears the President for the bailouts.
• Mitt Romney exported jobs to the orient, after taking over companies.
• Mitt Romney criticizes the president on jobs.

We can play this all night. He is an embarrassment...and anyone who publicly admits to supporting him, should be shamed & ridiculed.

Mitt Romney is a hypocritical dishonest âsshat whose appointment to lead the clown show on the right, is highly indicative of the side show of mongoloids that is the GOP of today. While Barrack Obama is hardly perfect, he is a center-right establishment politician who is HARDLY a socialist (Health Care reform? Look back 10 years at the GOP who supported the health mandate and then cry me a river....No empire that has ignored the health of their poor, has survived....ever.) and is fairly transparent about his goals. As much as the GOP/Fox News crowd try to make him out to be the anti christ....I see zero proof of it, less the unsupported claims, rhetoric & conspiracy theories.

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Great video! Thanks


I can't vote as I'm European but this election concerns the destiny of every human on the planet...
So please for the wellness of earthlings don't let this clown in the office!

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I can't vote as I'm European but this election concerns the destiny of every human on the planet... So please for the wellness of earthlings don't let this clown in the office!

So as a European do you think Romney is a threat to your well being? If so this should end this thread...Maybe the OP will wake up once and for all...He obviously thinks Romney is different from Obama for reasons unknown...Maybe the reasons are unknown because they are almost identical...

More proof that the facists in government like Romney etc depend on cheap labor to rig the supply / demand ratio to their favor at the expense of the rest of the nation:

They are subsidizing cheap labor to keep the wages down so their cronies on Wall Street and the CEO's in the Big Corporations and Financial Institutions reap the rewards that more profits bring, while everyone else's wages decrease.


www.wthr.com...-05y0.facebook


Billions of Tax Credits going to undocumented Workers

Originally posted by Kang69
Hey OP watch this video.

If I could, I would have given you a 1000 stars. What a video! I'm disillusioned by Obama, but Mitt Romney attacking Obama "across the board", as he likes to say, is a hypocrisy clinic.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77


See This is why I am asking the question. Not sure how that will work.... Since when do people police corporations?? Are you saying the CEOS will make sure that they always have the good interests at heart? At all times?? In the business world, that's simply not possible sometimes...

I would take that further. CEOs are not obligated to have peoples "best interests" at heart. That is not the nature of a corporation in a free market. Those CEOs have a "Fiduciary Duty" to make profits for that corproration, not a moral duty to the consumer's best interests or general welfare, health etc. If that CEO wants to be charitable, he should do so through personal funds, but as a business person his first obligation is making money for the shareholder.

A business is not a government and no one should want thier government to be a business.

If Government=Business...
then Taxes=Revenues...and businesses are designed to MAXIMIZE revenues.
And services=Costs ..(Education, infrastructure, defense, fire protection, police etc.etc.)...businesses CUT costs wherever they can.

Now imagine those business imperatives in the context of the LARGEST COMPLETE MONOPOLY the world has ever seen...There won't be a dozen other "US Govs" to choose from.

Government as business leads to tyranny and complete corruption.

King George III ran his government like a business, expanded his business via "hostile take-overs" and raised revenues by heavily taxing his "subjects" (why bother calling them people) ..all the while his word was law, his demand akin to Gods will and the vast majority of his "subjects" suffered horribly.

Our nation was founded by people who had the courage, against all odds, to stand up to and defeat King George III, and the rest of the world emboldened by the USA followed in our footsteps.

I have no interest in Romney's vulture-capitalist experience. It might have a place in free-market capitalism, but in my opinion is no more noble in the darwinian sense than the Hyena's that scavenge the weak and newly born on the Serengeti.

For a President I prefer someone that has an understanding of and empathy for the ordinary struggles of Americans. I prefer a President who is both fiscally conservative and socially liberal (in the unmolested definition of the word "liberal) so that our tax-dollars are carefully spent in ways that make the greatest impact on Americans general welfare.

The debate in this country right now is not about spending vs. non-spending or big government vs. smaller government, it is about where that big government should be..regulating wall street or regulating vaginas and gay marriage...and where that spending occurs...taking care of our own vs. foriegn wars "hostile take-overs" and " executive bonuses" (tax-breaks and subsidies for corporations at the expense of tax-payers or "subjects")

Hey OP

thanks to this WONDERFUL thread, I was able to sway a few Ron Paul Supporters over to the Romney train..

I just had to show them this thread

you did a great job

Guys, with all due respect to the Ron Paul supporters, he cannot win. And I will explain why....

While I agree with about 95% of what he says, people like us are in the minority. The vast majority of Americans want someone from the establishment... and that's sad because Ron has some really good ideas. BUT ... I think his two biggest problems are: supporting the legalization of drugs, and his performance during the debates.

To expand on the debate issue .. Too often he comes across as a little "goofy". Regardless of the guys message, a voter -- very wrongly -- votes for someone who looks and acts "presidential" ... Sometimes his debates come across as resembling Ross Perot. Say what you want, but it's true. He needs to have a more calm demeanor and not get so excited. An ideal candidate for me would be someone who has Ron's ideas with the presentation of an "establishment" candidate.

Say what you want guys, but it is the honest truth.

As for me ... I have been lurking on ATS for years .. love the site. I am not a huge conspiracy guy, but I do believe they exist in certain circumstances. I tend to be conservative on fiscal and geo political issues, while a little more liberal on social issues. I am what they call a TRUE Independent. I don't ever vote party lines, I vote for the best candidate. The problem is, every election we're left with the "lesser of two evils"... I don't trust Romney, but the problem with Obama is that he's not a leader in any sense of the word. His true colors come out when he doesn't have a teleprompter in front of him. And to be quite honest, I tend to think that most Independents feel the same way I do. And we are the ones that will determine the next election since you have so many mindless morons who just select "STRAIGHT PARTY" voting on their ballot... I never have, and never will understand that.

So circling back, this is why I agree with the OP. I am going to support Romney, because to me, he is the "lesser of two evils" and I can't support some guy who is all talk and no action. I really want to support Paul, but a vote for him would simply be a vote for Obama, and to me, that's the greater of the two evils.

Originally posted by libertytoall

"American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2009. H.R. 1146, 2009-02-24, originally H.R. 1146, 1997-03-20. Ends U.S. participation and membership in the United Nations and its activities and the World Trade Organization, 1999-2000: Withdraws U.S. membership in the World Trade Organization.[2]"

"National Review cited the ASRA as an example of grassroots effort "to educate the American people about the efforts of foreign tyrants to disarm them"

Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009. H.R. 1207

Term limits, 1970s: Paul was the first member of Congress to propose term limits legislation in the House,[54] one of several bills considered "ahead of their time" by Texas Monthly magazine.

Market Process Restoration Act of 1999. H.R. 1789, 1999-05-13. Repeals United States antitrust law (which limits cartels and monopolies), with intent to restore market economy benefits.

Sunlight Rule. H.Res. 216, 2009-03-05, originally H.Res. 709, 2006-03-02. Amending the Rules of the House of Representatives to ensure that Members have a reasonable amount of time to read legislation that will be voted upon. Prohibits votes on legislation from occurring until ten days after its introduction, with the intent of giving lawmakers enough time to read bills before voting on them; allots 72 hours for House members and staff to examine the contents of amendments. Paul charged his fellow legislators with voting for the Patriot Act in 2001 without reading it first; more than 300 pages long, it was enacted into law less than 24 hours after being introduced.

I think maybe, one of those policies are being implemented now and none of them do what I say he should do which is make it illegal for corporations/super pacs to fund presidential campaigns. Your being a hypocrite by placing your man up on a pedestal for laws that aren't even being followed or being implemented and say he's doing exactly what I want him to do!

Are you blindly spreading Ron Paul rhetoric without even knowing what you are posting? Let me repeat myself. None of those laws make it illegal for corporations to contribute to campaigns or make super pacs illegal. Ron Paul has a super pac so of course he's not going to make them illegal. He's a hypocrite exactly like Michael Moore who profits off of the very system he claims to hate!

Originally posted by UfoHunterinOK
Guys, with all due respect to the Ron Paul supporters, he cannot win. And I will explain why....

While I agree with about 95% of what he says, people like us are in the minority. The vast majority of Americans want someone from the establishment... and that's sad because Ron has some really good ideas. BUT ... I think his two biggest problems are: supporting the legalization of drugs, and his performance during the debates.

To expand on the debate issue .. Too often he comes across as a little "goofy". Regardless of the guys message, a voter -- very wrongly -- votes for someone who looks and acts "presidential" ... Sometimes his debates come across as resembling Ross Perot. Say what you want, but it's true. He needs to have a more calm demeanor and not get so excited. An ideal candidate for me would be someone who has Ron's ideas with the presentation of an "establishment" candidate.

Say what you want guys, but it is the honest truth.

As for me ... I have been lurking on ATS for years .. love the site. I am not a huge conspiracy guy, but I do believe they exist in certain circumstances. I tend to be conservative on fiscal and geo political issues, while a little more liberal on social issues. I am what they call a TRUE Independent. I don't ever vote party lines, I vote for the best candidate. The problem is, every election we're left with the "lesser of two evils"... I don't trust Romney, but the problem with Obama is that he's not a leader in any sense of the word. His true colors come out when he doesn't have a teleprompter in front of him. And to be quite honest, I tend to think that most Independents feel the same way I do. And we are the ones that will determine the next election since you have so many mindless morons who just select "STRAIGHT PARTY" voting on their ballot... I never have, and never will understand that.

So circling back, this is why I agree with the OP. I am going to support Romney, because to me, he is the "lesser of two evils" and I can't support some guy who is all talk and no action. I really want to support Paul, but a vote for him would simply be a vote for Obama, and to me, that's the greater of the two evils.

Wow so there are others voting for Romney! I think people get confused with the words voting for and supporting. I may not support everything Romney has said and done, but that doesn't mean I still cannot vote for him! Thanx for voicing your opinion here. That was a brave thing to do here at ATS. I'm glad you at least had the opportunity.

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

I'll reply to the nonsense and hilarity that is this thread by simply reminding the OP that:

• Mitt Romney was for a woman's right to choose.
• Mitt Romney is against a woman's right to choose.
• Mitt Romney was for the bailouts.
• Mitt Romney smears the President for the bailouts.
• Mitt Romney exported jobs to the orient, after taking over companies.
• Mitt Romney criticizes the president on jobs.

We can play this all night. He is an embarrassment...and anyone who publicly admits to supporting him, should be shamed & ridiculed.

Mitt Romney is a hypocritical dishonest âsshat whose appointment to lead the clown show on the right, is highly indicative of the side show of mongoloids that is the GOP of today. While Barrack Obama is hardly perfect, he is a center-right establishment politician who is HARDLY a socialist (Health Care reform? Look back 10 years at the GOP who supported the health mandate and then cry me a river....No empire that has ignored the health of their poor, has survived....ever.) and is fairly transparent about his goals. As much as the GOP/Fox News crowd try to make him out to be the anti christ....I see zero proof of it, less the unsupported claims, rhetoric & conspiracy theories.

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As I have said countless times before I am well aware of Romney's flip flops and I will continue to go out and vote for him. Doesn't mean I won't like everything he has to say all the time. I don't like that about any of the candidates although Jon Huntsman was very interesting to me. I don't get what you are trying to do spreading this anti-Romney video here. You don't think I've seen that from the Obama campaign already?? One of the main reasons I am voting for Romney is to get Obama out and because the GOP is behind him! Voting for Ron Paul is a wasted vote since no parties are behind him and most Americans follow party lines! Even the independents are swayed at the end since they determine the election.