The US Military Wants To 'Microchip' Troops

reply to post by Taupin Desciple

I'm just saying that it would be naive to assume that the military complex of the most powerful nation on earth would tell the public, the WORLD public no less, what it's doing as it's doing it.

It really depends upon the objective.

For the first time in as long as the crews of these mine sweepers could remember - Maritime Expeditionary Security forces were called to secure their port while state-side. Why? Because we announced, nationally, that we were going to be sending these four mine sweepers over to the Strait of Harmuz.

It's being used as an international show of force and cooperation (since the Dutch were providing the ship to piggy-back these mine-sweepers over the Atlantic). We were called in because no one knew just what would happen - there was considerable speculation that it would be a media bonanza complete with protests.

Thankfully, it was very, very quiet - and the Martin case tended to be more important to the public.

That logic flies in the face of all the justifications they try to use to put more surveillance on every aspect of our lives. "It's for national security". If they're so pre-emptive about national security, why would they be so transparent with the public and cooperative with public companies about what they're doing and when they're doing it?

Generally speaking - the cold war military is no more.

Military research programs have their hands full trying to keep up with the advances that have been made in the civilian world these past 20 years.

The military purchases medical equipment from civilian contractors and aggressively recruits individuals with medical schooling.

They may toss funding at medical projects - but those have almost always been started and or operated by civilian market interests. Any specialized programs are just that - specialized and usually do not translate to macroscopic breakthroughs (for example - neither the F-117 or B-2 revolutionized aircraft technology - the F-16 did more for that being the first fully fly-by-wire aircraft; a technology that was developed out of industrial control systems).

We have a considerable fleet of -armed- combat drones already in service. You don't hear about it on the news every day - but it's no secret, and there are numerous published articles from the military about them.

Part of the reason we do this is due to the fact that we are at the top of the food chain. We have decades of industrial experience over a lot of the competing nations and still maintain the edge in manufacturing technology (even if it is slipping a tad). We can make claims about such nanobot sensors and be fairly secure in the fact that it will be ten years before anyone else is capable of making a similar statement.

We're so far ahead, in that regard, that we don't really need to keep it a secret.

reply to post by burntheships

In the mean time, I am of the opinion its not an insult to any soldier that has been
through the "machine".

You're naive.

I have many threads on the subjects of injustice against those who have served.
Many who were DRAFTED! They had no choice....

My father was drafted into Vietnam - got there just in time for the Tet Offensive.

He would be telling you the same thing I am. It's an insult to any human being to insinuate they need to have a living provided for them.

As I said; benefits are one thing. Having a living provided for you is something on a completely different level. If you agree to treat me in your place of business (like the VA) because of the time I served - that's your decision to offer that service and my decision to accept it. If you want to give me a place to live and food to eat because of that time... it's an insult. You're telling me that you think so little of my capabilities that you would not require me to even make an effort for the basics of life.

Sure - that's context sensitive; but I would never insult a human being by taking them into charity without the requirement they recover some amount of self-respect. I will not provide for a person to merely exist. That is a life worse than death.

And those who did...most of them have hearts of Gold!

So did my father.

He would find your views quite childish and immature, to be honest.

The best thing you can ever do for a veteran is listen to them. Let them tell their stories - share their perspective.

Victimizing them in one lump-sum expression is just insulting.

It says in Bible prophecy that some will refuse the mark of the beast and any man without the "mark" will be unable to buy or sell. I'm not overly religious but, these chips sound EXACTLY like the mark of the beast.

reply to post by Aim64C


Self respect being the key, yes. However look at this tell me where is the respect???

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A government that takes a mans ability to be productive must be held accountable.
There is NO shame in that where the verteran is concerned.

The only shame lies with the "machine". And if the government turns the wheels
of the "machine" it needs to be held accountable. And that means financial provision
for those it has harmed, used and maimed.

reply to post by ohevyisrael
sorry missed your post saying pretty much the same thing, but really this is starting to sound alot like Bible prophecy. So where do you want it forehead or back of the hand?

reply to post by rebellender


Just now seeing your ETA.

I dont doubt you for a split second!
You are not the first person I have heard this from either.

That white van business is sounding better and better each passing day.



As a statement of respect, I would say Thank you for your service.
In this case, I must add "for your sacrifice".

And again, I feel the need to say I think that this "chipping" is morally wrong!

reply to post by zorgon


So destruction of government property by people who have allowed themselves to be implanted?

Sounds like a idiotic buisness idea....although its a good idea to leave a paper trail to save the courts time.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by zorgon

 

So destruction of government property by people who have allowed themselves to be implanted?

Please expound? Allowed? Consent to implant by way of
military service? I thought this was a conspiracy theory?

If they ever ask me to take a chip, i flat out refuse! They can have my job, i'll find another way to get by.

reply to post by burntheships


Discharged for disobeying a lawful order.
US Government Property.

reply to post by burntheships


I knew it. Metal Gear Solid 4 is happening in real life You will soon hear about them chipping guns, noncombatants, civilians, etc.

Too intrusive in my, and many other opinions

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by pianopraze

 

Of course, its all for the "better health of the soldiers", but in reality its hidden
agenda is to advance "war" and superiority on the battlefield.

LOL hidden? Healthy soldiers and superiority on the battlefield are one inthe same thing.
What type of proof do you guys have that this will be used to control the masses?
This type of Sensor is a logical creation. Is everyone saying that they would rather soldiers die because of unseen disease that could of been prevented by this device?

There is nothing on that chip that can do any harm. Take of the tinfoil hats already.

reply to post by Another10Pin


Why, pray tell, would they need to embed a chip into me?

What will this terrifying little device do that cannot be done, already?

You people -really- need to learn a thing or two about technology before getting all twisted out of shape. Phones are slated to ship with facial recognition software to make for secure access without a password (thumb-print scanners, iris scans, and other biometrics are also slated). Not to mention there's a GPS receiver in those things tied to a data transceiver.

Hell - video game systems monitor your movements via a camera and translate that into a control input.

Why, exactly, are you afraid of a chip that does such petty little things as monitor your blood sugar, detect antibodies, and -may- be able to analyze your bone structure for issues?

It's like herding chickens with this lot....

Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by beezzer

 

Privacy, freedom, individuality don't rank high with you, do they.

And yet, I don't really see how this development really threatens any of those things.

Privacy? The device with a camera and microphone attached to a wireless data transceiver is a far greater threat than a few sensors in the body that -may- be able to work with near-field RFID (because your face and voice aren't unique or anything - God Forbid someone recognize you).

Freedom? I fail to see how a bunch of sensors jeopardize this. If you're worried about them phoning home... well - just look at the device that shares the name (phone). Sensors these small will never have the ability to, of their own accord, interact with cellular phone networks. Physics can be a bitch. The IRS with their ability to black-list your bank accounts is a greater, and far more relevant concern (that is a separate threat from these sensors... perhaps one should focus on eliminating the source of the problem).

Individuality? ... Well - you're certainly expressing that, now, aren't you? Right along side everybody else who thinks -everyone- should hold the same opinion that these things are dangerous?

Obviously - nanoscale sensors and devices are not going to be a preferred, or even correct solution for every person or every situation. They are but one tool - one facet of technology - to apply to your life with discretion; just as you do with any other form of technology.

This guy is one of the few people with some common sense in this entire thread.
Everyone else sounds like Glenn Beck

reply to post by apoc36


So basically you want a chip because you can't take care of yourself. That's nice. I'm sure greater minds can arrange a "chipping" for you in exchange for your undying devotion and service.

In your post, you gave the perfect reason NOT to be chipped. The human race is not entirely good nor evil, but power corrupts, and the type of power these chips afford to the people who will be supervising you is certain to be misused in short order.

The chip will only protect you so that you can be more effectively used. I don't understand how this escapes people...

reply to post by beezzer


Beezer, I love you!

I am so fu**** because I love cheesecake.

In Alaska I carry a Copied DL, I do not like the scanner bar on the back, most cops accept it, if your nice, which I am not, I tell most to get bent. and with a clean record I get away with using my citizen rights. As a Mason, the first thing I do when I get a new ID or DL I rub the back against the block or with my trowel, sometimes it takes a manager at any given store when they cant scan it to sell me tobacco. Piggy's(no pun intended, well, maybe...) get so frustrated, but they know where I am coming from.

Give them no reasons I say, use your rights at every moment or they will take them from you.

I am armed and dangerous if you try to control me, I support my claims 100%

Originally posted by burntheships
I am thinking that yes, this most likely will be brought in under Medicare, and
what is know called Obamacare. Hey, it's like this: You want Medicare?
Fine, we need to implant you, as part of the new Medicare rules.

I can see employers saying you need it to be employed with them too.

Those behind workplace OH&S will be drooling over this...

It just isn't worth it.
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reply to post by Infrasilent

In your post, you gave the perfect reason NOT to be chipped. The human race is not entirely good nor evil, but power corrupts, and the type of power these chips afford to the people who will be supervising you is certain to be misused in short order.

Please, do elaborate.

Explain to this ignorant one what it is these micro-sensors do that will afford another human being power over you.

I really want to know if I'm missing something, here.... and so far, no one has been able to articulate any reasoning as to why these nano-bots are the threat to the free world.

The chip will only protect you so that you can be more effectively used. I don't understand how this escapes people...

Stay with me, for a moment. I'm one of those "nerd" people that only exist when your magic boxes cease doing their magic. I've been trained in the dark arts of getting electronic devices to work (it's a sub-cult of Voodoo, actually, that has its origins in a small hamlet outside of London - of all places. I've studied various other arts adapted from the monks of silicon valley and the heretical Teslasists). Thus, the discussion of technological relativism is of great interest to me - as the true function of technology is completely relative to the individual experiencing it.

What about the ritual of nanobot infusion gives you the impression it allows one control over you? I'm curious as to what part of the ritual gives you the sensation of losing control; more importantly - why you feel it is the technological tokens are the source of this loss of control.

Perhaps a ritualistic sacrifice of a battery before hand would stave off the bad ju-ju... but I can't say for certain without more group prayer on the matter.