WTH is next to the Sun ~ Its HUGE

reply to post by NeoVain

The spacecraft are periodically rolled 180º and more often rolled to lesser amounts.

reply to post by ProudBird

I DID visit the link Phage posted. The image doesn't explain how dust got inside the telescope, satellite, space camera, cor1 or whatever ya wanna call it. Whatever, the satellites are mysteriously and convienently down cause "they lost track of the sun"

Something funny going on out there...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NeoVain

 

The spacecraft are periodically rolled 180º and more often rolled to lesser amounts.

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Those major adjustments are very rare, as they would have to be to conserve fuel. There was no such adjustment going on that i am aware of when this "artifact" appeared. Also, do you know how long such a maneuver takes to complete? They are done over several hours, imparting an infinitesimal amount of momentum on such a dust particle, not enough to make it relocate (if it even was there in the first place, "built in by NASA")

"hahaha Am I completely nuts here?"..

Yes, yes you are. lol

reply to post by Evildead


I have to keep repeating, apparently.

The dust was there, from Earth. NO "clean-room" environment is 100% perfect -- never will be.

Whatever, the satellites are mysteriously and convienently down cause "they lost track of the sun".

That's about SOHO run jointly by ESA and NASA. (So, now for all the "NASA-bashers", guess the Europeans are "in on it" too?)

Thread here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here, this is pertinent:

SOHO went into "Emergency Sun Reacquisition" mode on Friday May 4, 2012, caused by a false trigger of the Coarse Sun Pointing Attitude Anomaly Dector. We are working on the recovery of the spacecraft to normal mode. Nominal science operations should be re-established in the next couple of days.

It's a control problem.

Space.....the Final Frontier. Things go wrong.....sometimes, easy fixes. Sometimes, not.

reply to post by Evildead

There is one spacecraft not sending data and it is not the spacecraft from which the images we are talking about come.
SOHO (not the spacecraft we are talking about) is not down because "they lost track of the sun".

How can you say "Something funny going on out there..." when you know so little about what actually is going on?

The one thing I understand a lot better is that all of the space observatories have 'correction' programs to delete 'things that are not supposed to be there'.

It seems to me that NASA can not only subtract thingies but can obviously add them as well.

What we have folks is a huge collection of lenses hooked up to the worlds best version of photo-shop and we plebs get to see what they want us to see.

I am with a few other people the 'dust' and the 'cosmic rays' seem to interact in a way that defies chance.

Sorry, Phage, when you show us all the other images I keep thinking about the greatest version of Photo-shop in orbit. Perhaps if you start to think in ways other than NASA is trustworthy or NASA never hides stuff you may start to see truth.

Problem is, we can't tell what is truth. We are pretty good at discerning lies. Lies are fairly easy to spot.

P

reply to post by Soulece


Try this out for yourself. Click HERE.

Select
Telescope: Behind COR1
Start Date: 20120502
End Date: 20120507
Display: Slideshow

Hit Search and view all of the painfully boring footage of the "Maple Glazed Death Star" in action. You can reload and change the Display to Images at 5 minute intervals and see if you still think you see anything other than random "formations".

It is NOT an "object" in space.

reply to post by NeoVain

They are not rare, the 180º rolls are done several times a year. They do take a while to complete. They are not the only factors which could cause material within the camera to be dislodged.

Why didn't you answer my question. Do you think the object is tracking STEREO B? Is that why it remains in exactly the same place in the frame as the spacecraft moves in its orbit?

reply to post by pheonix358

The raw data is there. Learn what to do with it. Go find what you're looking for...or learn what's actually "going on".

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Evildead

 

There is one spacecraft not sending data and it is not the spacecraft from which the images we are talking about come.
SOHO (not the spacecraft we are talking about) is not down because "they lost track of the sun".

How can you say "Something funny going on out there..." when you know so little about what actually is going on?

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You're right Darth Phage. The Force is strong with you. I guess I got carried away with my imagination because I'm watching Family Guy "Something, Something Dark Side, Parts 1 & 2" on TBS.

Lighten up people.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NeoVain

 

They are not rare, the 180º rolls are done several times a year. They do take a while to complete. They are not the only factors which could cause material within the camera to be dislodged.

I wouldn´t call something that happens only a few times a year "not rare". That is pretty rare in my book. Oh and please name another factor that would be able to impart enough momentum on an internal dust particle to make it relocate, since you agreed it takes awhile, and i assume you also agree there was no such reported relocation at this time. I am not aware of any such other plausible factor.

Why didn't answer my question. Do you think the object is tracking STEREO B? Is that why it remains in exactly the same place in the frame as the spacecraft moves in its orbit?

Sorry i thought this was a dumb question, beneath answering. You could use the same argument to say "Why is the sun always at exactly the same place in the frame, is it tracking STEREO B?" Get my point? The telescope is obviously tracking the sun, the object being at the same place relative to the sun does not mean it is tracking the telescope, maybe it is just sunbathing at a comfortable distance? Refilling fuel? Gathering heat? Taking the Temp? Measuring integrity of stargate? What the hell do we know?

Don´t pretend you know something when you don´t. But feel free to ask questions.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by crankyoldman

 

Why would it be hermetically sealed? It's in space.

I don't understand this statement. I would think, per earth based systems, that keeping things free of debris is paramount. You say no, in fact, you say because it is space there is even less reason to even try? Which begs the question, why accept dust as a part of the equation if it isn't necessary? Funny they'd spend millions to accept dust as away to possibly waste the millions: what if several large particles get inside and coalesce around each other completely compromising the image? I guess another one can be launched pretty easily.

There are other examples of debris being inadvertently introduced into imaging equipment during assembly.

Yes, the image is processed. The purpose of the instrument is to analyze the corona of the Sun. The purpose of the processing is to accentuate the corona. In order to do that background masks are created which provide a basic background brightness levels (among other things, you can learn more here: cor1.gsfc.nasa.gov...). Without such processing nothing of much interest can be discerned. Here is an example of the raw data from May 3:

You can see the other dust motes spoken of as well as a bunch of other extraneous noise. "Our" dust mote is not visible at all without some drastic adjustments. The problem is that the imager has a very high dynamic range. This makes it possible to record details but it all makes it difficult to extract them.

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So via the image we're interpreting and interpretation and arguing over whether it is fact or not. Interesting, I hate to fight to the death over a simulation, while I see the point of "not being able to extract information" without the programs used to extract it, the philosophical argument is "what information are you extracting?" In this case, an interpretation of something which very heavily relies on the programmers ability to.... well, I guess decide what is to be extracted and write a program to extract it, since he doesn't know what is there, he's kind of guessing.

reply to post by crankyoldman

In this case, an interpretation of something which very heavily relies on the programmers ability to.... well, I guess decide what is to be extracted and write a program to extract it, since he doesn't know what is there, he's kind of guessing

Exactly, they don´t know what it is, but they "think" it is a dust particle, so they program the imager to make it "go away". Next picture it is gone. Same thing happens again, and again. What are we really looking at here? The truth, or some heavily modified version, due to what some people "think" it should look like? That is the core of the problem here.

Maybe there is no dust at all, they are all alien spacecrafts, programmed to "disappear" from view. That would at least make more sense, considering NASAs own guidelines on the subject: Never to reveal any such findings to the public.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pheonix358

 

The raw data is there. Learn what to do with it. Go find what you're looking for...or learn what's actually "going on".

Sorry Phage but no. You are told that what you have is raw data but you don't know that. Even the Moon landing broadcast was delayed just in case the Astronauts said something they should not have. You don't even have to be a sci-fi nut to know why. Two guys standing on the moon being shown on 1960s squeaky clean TV. Just imagine if Buzz jumped down and said, "F...k me, this is some awesome s...t man!"

Nothing we get from the military or NASA is 'RAW". It may be 'raw' but only after they have approved it.

I don't know if those things are ships or dust particles. I simply don't know. I do know that the explanation of dust particles has more holes in it than a golf course infested with gophers!

The arguments against your (NASA's) explanations have merit.

P

First it was a bokeh, now its internal dust with a random cosmic ray perfectly placed to give the illusion of something shooting out of the anomaly.

Phage, why spend so much time on a message board arguing over a dust particle if YOU know for sure that's what it is? Seems like someone with your space knowledge or intellect would grow tired or frustrated trying to prove your dust particle to people that are mostly obviously not your intellectual equal.

I'm sure you're probably somewhat correct in your assessment of the images but its still fun to use our imaginations and ponder an alien invasion or something out-of-this-world.

The ball isn't concerning, the ray of plasma spiraling into it is very concerning. Couple this with the large coronal holes and the fact the equipment is "down". I think it matters not if they tell people or not what it likely is. IMHO, we are screwed.

Originally posted by eywadevotee
The ball isn't concerning, the ray of plasma spiraling into it is very concerning. Couple this with the large coronal holes and the fact the equipment is "down". I think it matters not if they tell people or not what it likely is. IMHO, we are screwed.

Not sure we are screwed, what makes you think they have evil intent? Maybe they are here to save us from ourselves, or something worse. Maybe they are just on a stroll through the galaxy, happily ignoring us low-lifes. Or maybe they have an agreement with the government not to reveal themselves to us "poor sobs" that can´t handle the truth, given how much religious people are still about that would get their whole world-view turned upside down and most likely go bonkers...

Or indeed, it is just dust on the lens(the least probable explanation here)

The unfortunate thing is that no matter how many pages into this thing we get we wont know the "truth." But I am confident that we will know whats going on within the next 6 months. Either the "dust" will disappear or we are all in for one wild ride. I have full faith that they are here for the up-liftment of Man and Woman kind.

That's it! That's what the Mayans were warning humanity about; a giant dust particle is going to slam into Earth and cause a great purification! Ok. Good night.