Calling All Carnivores Tell Us Why It’s Ethical to Eat Meat: A Contest, A Summary, A Winner

reply to post by Havick007


NOT GONNA LIE, I love meat. All those PETA advertisements still haven't scared me away, and they wont.

That being said, it is not about survival! One can choose to eat meat or not, and both will live a decent life.

Evolution? NO. Evolution for humans stopped a long time ago, and humans will no longer evolve as long as we remain on top of the food chain.

Meat, is rich in protein, helps your body recover faster from Muscle Tear. Lots and lots of other benefits. (if you eat it in moderation)

I still don't know why vegetarians think they are healthier than healthy meat eaters though. ^^

reply to post by RandomEsotericScreenname



There are entirely natural sources for everything a human needs that is not meat! The reason so many vegans go back to eating meat is cost, as well there is pretty much no where aside from your home you can eat. Almost every product sold in restaurants, and grocery stores contains some animal products, which are completely unnecessary. It all boils down to Meat eaters are not going to change, even though science has proven how UNHEALTHY it is to eat meat. They would all rather get fat, and die of heart disease years before the veggies, and that's fine by me. Enjoy, your impotence and obesity.

The undeniable truth is that you cannot obtain optimum health without eating animal products. No other way around it. We are built to consume animal products and our body needs them to be healthy.

It's ok to eat meat because god made animals out of meat. Why would he do that if he didn't want us to eat them? I think Sarah Palin said that.. i'm not sure. But it makes a whole lotta sense to me!! We are carnivores. We get vitamins and protein from meat. Yes, you can get it else where, but you have to supplement the meat. The only unethical thing about eating meat, is the way animals are bread and killed for meat. Otherwise.. it's completely natural for humans.

Originally posted by it4lian
Go ask a lion or a Polar bear what gives them the right to eat meat. Carnivores are everywhere in the food chain, so are herbivores. It's part of life get over it, if you don't believe me, go ask the lion.

This is an often used argument and on the surface, it makes sense. But there is a sharp separation between the consciousness of most animals, and that of humans. We have the ability to remember the past, see the present and anticipate the future in a far more complex way than most animals do. Thus what is borne in humans is conscience. It's a game changer on ever level. We are capable of feeling pity and empathy in a way that animals are not. So comparing our consumption and killing of animals to the way the animals themselves do it simply is not the same. It was at one point, but we have evolved.

What if overnight, humans no longer had to eat - if something revolutionary happened such as everyone derived their energy from the sun and no longer needed to eat anything, BUT STILL COULD IF THEY WANTED TO? Then would eat meat, knowing you did not need it for survival, but killed and ate animals just for pleasure?

In no way am I condemning the eating of meat in general terms. It IS natural to a degree. I'm a vegetarian, and people sometimes say to me "oh maybe I should be one!" Well I always say; if your body doesn't want meat anymore, it will tell you. I just gradually couldn't eat meat anymore - didn't want it, first red meat, then poultry, then fish. Just didn't want it. And my body does fine. Other people notice a huge drop in energy if they try to become vegetarian. They are not ready and should probably eat meat.

But the WAY in which we eat meat is the problem. Sure, a lot of other animals eat each other, but NONE of them do it the way humans do, making the animals suffer under HORRENDOUS conditions for most of their lives before being brutally slaughtered in very painful ways. No other animal, tiger, lion, etc. does this.

See if you can make it through this video and then let's talk about how the way man eats meat is "just as natural" as the animals.

i work out almost every day, it's hard for me to function without eating protein and iron, so either meats or a lot of beans. If not i start to get very cold and tired. I think it's alright and healthy to eat lean meats like fish and fowl a few times a week and balance it out with sources of fiber. Ultimately it all comes down to balance, i have realized this

many people are spreading a lot of disinfo in saying that you will live a longer life on a meat diet - one has to look to Okinawa, Japan.

There are 457 persons on Okinawa aged 100 or over, an average of 35 for each 100,000 inhabitants. It is the highest in the world.

Okinawa boasts the highest percentage of centenarians anywhere. Heart disease rates are low: 80% fewer heart attacks than Americans, and Okinawans who have heart attacks are more likely to survive. Breast and prostate cancer are so rare as to be unheard of among the older population. Obesity is equally rare. Smoking, the reader is led to conclude, is also rare among older Okinawans

So what do the Okinawans eat in order to maintain such a low mortality rate?

The Okinawan diet might well amaze Americans. The average citizen consumes at least seven servings of vegetables daily, and an equal number of grains (in the form of noodles, bread, and rice—many of them whole grains). Add to this two to four servings of fruit, plus tofu and other forms of soy, green tea, seaweed, and fish rich in omega-3s (three times weekly). Sweet potatoes, bean sprouts, onions, and green peppers are prominent in the diet. Vegetables, grains, and fruits make up 72% of the diet by weight. Soy and seaweed provide another 14%. Meat, poultry, and eggs account for just 3% of the diet, fish about 11%. The emphasis is on dark green vegetables rich in calcium (Okinawans, like other Japanese, don't eat much dairy). Okinawans do drink alcohol, but women usually stick to one drink a day, while men average twice that. Moderation is the key.
In short, the average Okinawan's diet is far richer in complex carbohydrates and plant-based foods, and lower in fat, than the average American's. (It's completely different from low-carbohydrate plans like the Atkins and Zone diets.)

Originally posted by Isayeva
reply to post by ArnoldNonymous

 

It's not like you chase deer around in order to eat them. Why hasn't evolution provided you with better canines if you're such a skilled predator? Besides, some herbivores have canine teeth too, so the whole point is hardly relevant.

Are there any other animals on this planet with a brain that has evolved enough to make tools? Last time I checked I haven't seen any other creature on this planet using a bow & arrow or a gun to hunt, and a knife and fork to eat it's meal. Evolution happens out of necessity, so wouldn't it be pointless to have better canines evolve when it's not really needed because we have a large enough brain to develop tools that are much more efficient?

very simple:

www.collegian.psu.edu...

Researchers from Michigan State University have discovered that plants have a rudimentary nerve structure, which allows them to feel pain. According to the peer-reviewed journal Plant Physiology, plants are capable of identifying danger, signaling that danger to other plants and marshaling defenses against perceived threats. According to botanist Bill Williams of the Helvetica Institute, "plants not only seem to be aware and to feel pain, they can even communicate."

PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO

in short: a lettuce is screaming while you chew it in your mouth...

nuff said

reply to post by QQXXw


It is said that humans actually taste quite good, though that entire cannibalism thing has such a nasty tone to it

But what exactly would be the difference between eating a dolphin or eating a cow? They're both animals.

My dad used to be a butcher (not industrial but just your "butcher on the corner") hence we ate LOADS of meat and i loved it. Though since im on my own and in a tight financial situation i hardly eat meat anymore, i can't say i really miss it. I might concider going vegetarian because it's clear humans don't actually need to eat meat but once again, i don't see the difference in the point you are trying to make.

reply to post by truthrising2012

Meat, poultry, and eggs account for just 3% of the diet, fish about 11%.

So 14% is direct animal product.

No one is claiming that eating large amounts of processed meat is good for you.

On the other hand, the link you posted is not suggesting these people grow old because they are vegans.

They live healthy because they have a balanced diet that completely includes meat. Off course veggies are healthy, no one is denying that, but you need meat with it.

If you want your link to mean anything, find a group of people that don't eat meat at all, and thrive on it.

reply to post by Romekje

It is said that humans actually taste quite good, though that entire cannibalism thing has such a nasty tone to it

Yes, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

I might concider going vegetarian because it's clear humans don't actually need to eat meat

It is clear that humans need the nutrients that are in meat, and can hardly get them from any other natural source efficiently.

I think that if human meat would be sold in the local markets, I would buy it instead of animal meat because I think it would be more ethical to eat human meat whose owners would have died natural death than those poor animals who will be raised and killed in horrible living conditions just for food. Of course if there was such thing as naturally died animal food, then that would be nice too.

I think food problem would be solved too if we would get rid of that sinful status of cannibalism and be rational about it.

Dont think im some loonie toonie cannibal fanatic. Im all against violence and all.

It would be interesting to hear if anybody else has thought about this?

reply to post by GuidedKill


Hmm yeah Roo is ok but it's not a favourite of mine to be honest... It's very gamey meat if that makes sense... Croc is nice though, it would be similiar to Aligator I guess... Although I had salt water Croc. It was like a mix between chicken and fish... It had the texture of chicken but very salty like fish. I don't even like deer meat to be honest..

I am not against eating other animals that are not endangered etc and you gotta be carefull bcoz even though some animals are not endangered now, they will be if we keep hunting them and taking over their native homes...

Just imagine if that happened to us.... Scary thought yeah? Well it's quite possible

It's a mixture of human growth and animals habitat being taken over and then hunting them... It won't end well. The problem with humans is that they do not see the world ahead... only the world behind and the mistakes that have already been made.

It's all well and good to learn from mistakes but if those mistakes ruin the world we live in then perhaps we should have some foresight and start realising that we can stop mistakes before they happen.... That is a massive lesson to learn and takes alot of self-control but it is possible.

Why does it matter if it's ethical?

Humans have been capturing prey and consuming them since long before there was a bunch of feel-good quasi-environmentalist dimwits running around telling me that I'm horrible for eating animals.

News flash. It's been occurring since before the dawn of human civilization. We eat animals. It is part of our history.

Quite simple really. Now, I'm totally against the way animals are treated, and to para-phrase some movie I watched, I feel that we've grown quite distant from mother Earth. Indians, and many other tribes 100s and 1000s of years ago would thank the animals after they killed them, because they worked in unison... no, that doesn't occur so much anymore, but I feel that that is much more appropriate than how we choose to eat now.

I'm also under the impression if you eat meat you should be able to kill, butcher and cook the meat yourself. It will give you a sense of humility, and let you understand that we are all one, and we all bleed.

However, it is a undeniable fact that there is nothing inhuman about eating animals.

Originally posted by np6888

Vegetarians live slightly longer than meat-eaters, so whatever nutrients they're missing, they don't seem to be all that affected.

Are you sure that they have a better diet than without meat involved?

reply to post by StayAlert1

It is now scientific fact that all plants FEEL and communicate so the argument that vegans’ are somehow more human is mute.

Plants do not feel anything. Please link a peer-reviewed paper stating otherwise.

reply to post by donhuangenaro

PLANTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO

Thats nonsense for sure. Responding to stimuli and signaling is not the same as feelings, even bacteria can do that. There is no evidence that plants have any feelings.

reply to post by RhinestoneCowboy


Human meat... are you serious???

I have no words

reply to post by Ilyich

There are entirely natural sources for everything a human needs that is not meat!

Yes, but in a nartural environment, like the one we evolved in, it is virtually impossible for us to aquire them. It is like you said only an option if you have the luxury. We always ate meat, so it is completely natural.

Enjoy, your impotence and obesity.

Enjoy your arrogance and your self rightiousness. I'm lean and rippped and fully potent. Such ridiculous assumptions. Who do you think you are, condemning people for eating what we have been eating since the dawn of mankind?

reply to post by Maslo


How do you know that 100% - Have you done studies?

Plants and trees are living organisms... actually they have been here alooooot longer than humans...