Obama Warns Supremes-again: Don't Overturn Healthcare Reform: (going for a Win Win)

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


This thread is about the warning Obama gave to SCOTUS.

It is the height of arrogance that Obama feels he needs to "school" the Supreme Court.

reply to post by beezzer


I firmly believe that Obama's arrogance will be his downfall with the SCOTUS.

If there is a stitch of sanity in the USA, they will rebuff him, his administration and policies.

And, it should be a teaching moment for the country as a whole.

If not, .... well..... who knows. I seriously see violence in the streets, soon.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Outcast,

Long time no hear from. Were you traveling overseas on airforce one?

I will let the Judges tell you whether it is unconstitutional or not, how about that.

Arguing with you is against my guidelines.

K

reply to post by anon72

I think you hit it dead on about this SCOTUS in particular and it goes back to one very public night and one very arrogant and short sighted President. I submit that even Judges have egos (gasp! imagine, right? lol) and making fools of the entire court before the world at the State of The Union Speech set the stage for all else that has followed.

Petty? Probably..... Sophomoric for people at the level of the SCOTUS? Absolutely. They're only human though and Obama all but slapped each in the face, one by one that night. They never forgot...and he's done much since to add to it, huh? Like this thinly veiled threats of..whatever he thinks he can do to the Super Court.

Even the Messiah has his limits and Obama's start at the first step into the Supreme Court building down the street from his House.

Has any US president actually threatened the Supreme Court? Jesus Christ this guy is looking to control all 3 branches it looks like. Another 4 years and who knows what he's going to do.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer

 

Their decision should be based soley on the constitutionality of the law. Not what it "may" impact!

If that was the case, then they should only be considering the mandate and not what overturning the mandate "MAY" impact in the rest of the bill.

Oh...that's right....it's fine when it fits your agenda...I forgot.

ah yes, the mandate

lol

AKA 'this is what you voted for"

the so called "will of the people":

the new divine right of kings

Congress pulled out the severability clause in the final days of debate.

No one seems to be able to explain why. With all the lawyers involved, you have to wonder why they even did that ?

The entire bill may have been a set up for a default to expand Medicaid.
We could even see a Medicare expansion.

When ObamaCare gets shot down or crippled, they will claim there is no choice.

Medicaid is already legal and varies from State to State. All they will do is allow more people to enroll.

Medicaid expansion was too controversial in 2009. Now would be an easier time to pump it up.

Watch for payroll deductions to finance the plan.

reply to post by anon72


I think there is more to this. Why does Obama want his healthcare reform which not everyone wants to be taken so seriously and to pass without issue? Because they want control of us. If they implement Obamacare they will also implement the RFID chip and all the things that entails like GPS, bank account, and medical record tracking. Privacy will no longer exist and it will be because Obamacare was put into place. I would argue that if Obamacare didn't implement this chip I would not have issue with it for the most part. Although I don't see what the hang up is on private healthcare. The only bad part about it is, is that its sort of expensive but having health insurance certainly helps with this problem which only increases the focus on having a job so that one can have health insurance. This is basic knowledge and for the most part people that can't afford healthcare are people without jobs or people with crappy jobs. I don't even have a job and I have health insurance through my wife. I voted for Obama at a time when I was naive enough to think he would implement positive change for America. At this point though I would say, # Obama. I made a mistake in voting for him and he's an asshole whose #ing America up just as bad in many ways as the Bush administration did.

Originally posted by bekod
forcing one top buy a a plan of any kind, is called extortion!!Forced payed protection!!! Buy in or pay a fine, this is what the Obama administration wants, we the people do not count nor matter!!!!

I for one feel betrayed... for I voted for Obama.

I do have PCN, health care, bare bones basic coverage,I payed for it, this and workers comp is all need, others do need more. To force a coverage up on one is not right nor lawful. one should have the right to choose what plan if any is best for him or her.

please,do not ever vote again.
you and all the other fools that voted for this usurper.
how could you not see what he was?
white guilt perhaps?

I'll tell you what I"m tired of. I'm tired of having to pick up the tab for those who aren't paying insurance and then get into an accident.

This is what obamacare tries to do. Get more people paying into the system that they will INEVITABLY USE.

CHRIST!!!

Do you think this is what Liberals want? HELL NO. They want single payer or a public option. Instead GOP Healthcare was passed, and we'll take it because it's the best that could be done with corrupted Democrats in the Senate.

Yes, the GOP has moved so far to the damned right that they won't even vote on their own former legislation. Maybe it's fear of the black man combined with the fear of the rich paying a few percentage points more in taxes, butthis garbage has gone to the verge of insanity.

Most of you don't care about people in this country, so what is the point of having one? Why even take part of it? Go find a fookin island and masterbate to your reflection. It makes sense with your selfish "me first" ideology.

reply to post by beezzer

This thread is about the warning Obama gave to SCOTUS. It is the height of arrogance that Obama feels he needs to "school" the Supreme Court.

I'm sorry, but the SCOTUS is above all criticism? Why don't you cast a fookin crown on their asses right now?

Oh, that's because the majority of the court is conservative, 5 to 4 on most decisions.

Bet you'd be singing a different tune if it was a liberal stacked court with a conservative President right?

Oh no, not you, you would be defending the Supreme court I'm sure of it!!



Blowing righteous smoke up the asses of the masses.

What a hero.

reply to post by MiddleClassWarrior

Oh, that's because the majority of the court is conservative, 5 to 4 on most decisions.

The 4 who keep voting that way is because they are making decisions based on Political Correctness and/or Ideology and not based on the issue of the Constitution. You will see in the Health Care decision.

reply to post by xuenchen


That is what the whole Medicare warning "issue" is all about, people tend to have short memories and with the hoopla of the approval of the ObamaCare no many people remember that one week after Obama signed the expansion of Medicare.

If the Obama care mandatory clause is overturned then the Obamacare is death, then he may be able to go back to universal health care that was the first choice but people started to complain because it was short of socialized health care but what people doesn't understand is that Medicare and Medicaid is actually just that socialized and supported by tax payers not the government because the money the government have to spend on those entitlement programs is actually tax payer money been squeezed out of the working class.

The whole Obama care in the form is today was pushed by private interest in the insurance business that were the only ones left without any help from the big bailout after 2008 market crash, they need that mandatory clause to stay so they can suck the hard working class again and again and again, with big government backing them up.

Is a nothing short of extortion and that is what should be call for, extortion, the working class have to pay for everything, the run away spending of the government the bailout to the rich and the entitlement programs, we get squeezed out from every side and if the mandatory clause passes is going to be more private interest agendas with government approval to follow.

We could be mandate into anything as long as you work and earn a living.

reply to post by marg6043


Excellent as always.

Thank you for your input!

STAR and flag (if I could).

Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by MiddleClassWarrior

 

Oh, that's because the majority of the court is conservative, 5 to 4 on most decisions.

The 4 who keep voting that way is because they are making decisions based on Political Correctness and/or Ideology and not based on the issue of the Constitution. You will see in the Health Care decision.

Oh please you think the authors and signers of the constitution would have allowed strip searches for minor offenses??? Or allowing corporations to steal private property??? Or siding on the side of civil safety!??? These are all neo conservative values shown in the supreme court!!!! Pure ideology based and not constitutionally based decisions!!!

reply to post by LDragonFire


Well, I don't think I can comment on what the Founding Fathers would say to what we dangers we/people face today.

I am pretty sure there wasn't some hoodie type on the corner or in the village square waiting to put a cap in your butt. Or a Cop's but.

Matter of fact, I am sure had they been able to see in the future, they would have done even more with the Constitution. Like:

Not allow Congress to side-step the document by making up rules.
Or presidential Executive Orders
Or the Death Penalty for anyone taking a life during a crime with a gun.
etc etc etc.

But, go ahead... live in your world.

Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

Well, I don't think I can comment on what the Founding Fathers would say to what we dangers we/people face today.

I assume they faced threats such as murder, rape, theft and a tyrannical government? I don't think there world was anymore dangerous than ours.

I am pretty sure there wasn't some hoodie type on the corner or in the village square waiting to put a cap in your butt. Or a Cop's but.

To think crime didn't exist in early America is revisionist wishful thinking. Can you be more specific about "hoodie type" people?

Matter of fact, I am sure had they been able to see in the future, they would have done even more with the Constitution.

I agree with you for the most part, but I don't agree that a government should have the right to kill anyone for any reason.

reply to post by anon72


Benjamin Franklin considered to be one of the founding fathers opened up a hospital and used private funds to do so.

Pretty clear how he would come down on this issue.

Originally posted by neo96
a 26 year old on mommy and daddies insurance is enough contempt for anyone to have

For crying outloud A 26 YEAR OLD legal to drink and legal to get a CDL and someone to have finished college and oh say GET A JOB!.

Since we can't all think like retarded scum bags all of the time... some people
consider that holding a full time job or two isn't enough to afford insurance and
pay for the rest of life. Only pompous elitist conservatives think like out of
touch millionaires, thinking that everyone can afford an extra $400 a month...
One day maybe your golden spoon will slip down your throat and you might have
to worry about your bills richie.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by anon72

 

Benjamin Franklin considered to be one of the founding fathers opened up a hospital and used private funds to do so.

Pretty clear how he would come down on this issue.

Benjamin Franklin also thought caring for the health of the poor was the obligation
of society.