Student's 'Jesus' shirt sparks feud with school

reply to post by Garfee

It has everything to do with it when it's so often christian screaming and kicking about homosexuals wanting equal rights but then turn around and throw more tantrums when their own are supposedly infringed.

Horse crap!

The above statement only shows your extreme prejudice and hostility against Christians, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Garfee

 

Nowhere in the OP was homosexuality mentioned or even hinted at. Homosexuality was a reference tossed in by a user making a tactless comment regarding the concept of expressing beliefs on clothing. It has nothing to do with this specific topic.

Nowhere in the OP was teaching religion as history mentioned or even hinted at.

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However - - my point is several high schools in the USA have banned Pro-Gay T-shirts - - but allowed Christian shirts.

Equal Rights is a government/political issue - - therefore should be allowed in public schools.

In separation of church and state - - public schools should not allow Christian (or any religious/anti or non religious) T-shirt.

It is a very straight forward logical point of view - - - not based in emotion or belief.

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I realize Christians refuse to see the difference.

reply to post by Annee


True, but at least the referance to the importance of Christianity creating the countries we now live in is a valid point. Homosexuality is not part of the valid arguement, unless referancing it in the desire for "equality" that Christians should also have.

reply to post by Annee


Wait...religion isn't part of history?

Holy crap, all of my old history text books are erroneously spouting information about Egyptians gods and Norse folklore then...

Unless it's just discrimination against Christianity? I'm thinking that's your angle, since you haven't posted anything complaining about foreign religious history being taught in school...and that's exactly what Quetzlcoatl, Odin, and Athena are. We even read about those myths in class, both literature and history.

And you only pick on the Christian history? Especially when it is so deeply rooted in world culture? I'm not talking about preaching...I'm talking about facts. Yes, they believe this. Yes, this is what the Bible says. No, it's not proven, nor are you encouraged to follow it. But here is how it influenced the Renaissance and other eras featuring art and music. Isn't that interesting?

No one has to convert to learn about stuff. What's so hard about sticking to the facts and how they relate to history?

In separation of church and state - - public schools should not allow Christian (or any religious/anti or non religious) T-shirt.

So in order to uphold this doctrine, right down to a T (which technically isn't even in the Constitution, and probably not even the Charter) we are supposed to break other part of the Constitution or Charter which allow freedom of expression? And we're supposed to cripple the education of our children?

You're saying bend rules for the sake of other rules, despite the fact that the rules you're bending are more important than the one rule you're accommodating...which isn't even technically written, only taken for granted. You make a lot of sense...

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Garfee

 

Nowhere in the OP was homosexuality mentioned or even hinted at. Homosexuality was a reference tossed in by a user making a tactless comment regarding the concept of expressing beliefs on clothing. It has nothing to do with this specific topic.

Nowhere in the OP was teaching religion as history mentioned or even hinted at.

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However - - my point is several high schools in the USA have banned Pro-Gay T-shirts - - but allowed Christian shirts.

Equal Rights is a government/political issue - - therefore should be allowed in public schools.

In separation of church and state - - public schools should not allow Christian (or any religious/anti or non religious) T-shirt.

It is a very straight forward logical point of view - - - not based in emotion or belief.

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I realize Christians refuse to see the difference.

edit on 9-5-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

Annee- We are talking about Canada here...Remember us? The beer drinking hockey players to the north.
Not the US. We aren't talking about homosexuals in the US of A.

And if Christian shirts be damned, same with every other shirt that has opinion, theory, idea, or statement right?

Your arguements aren't even logical, just hatred towards Chrisitanity with unbridled furiously.

Especially with the snide remark at the end.

Also note, Canada is still a Dominion of the United Kingdom, a member if the Commonwealth. We are under the ultimate authority of the Queen and the Church of England.

reply to post by IronArm

Were his rights infringed by being told that he could not wear a t-shirt stating his beliefs?

Absolutely, and without a doubt, they were! The school administraters even as much as admitted that by allowing him to wear the shirt on Monday!

Was his motive viscious or benign?

This is irrelevent because there was no "vicious" action.

Was it all part in suppression of Christianity?

There is no doubt that it certainly was!

Does everyone have a right to complain about petty offences, and thusly change others inherit rights for thier own benefit?

"I do, but nobody else does!" seems to be the general attitude anymore, but that is only the hallmark of a hypocrite. Unfortunately, they are so damn pushy, and so damn noisy, they often do get their way! They are the true source of all evil on this planet! I feel we ALL may be doomed!

See ya buddy,
Milt

Originally posted by IronArm

Annee- We are talking about Canada here...Remember us? The beer drinking hockey players to the north.
Not the US. We aren't talking about homosexuals in the US of A.

We are talking about a public high school kid who got suspended for harassing students with his proselytizing and wearing a Jesus T-shirt. Something that could happen anywhere.

He just happened to be Canadian.

Which is why in my statement I specify USA.

reply to post by Annee


Proselytizing? That's going a little far.

Proselytizing is solicitation and badgering. He was wearing a piece of cloth with an opinion stated on it...

I repeat, what's your issue with expressing Christianity? And don't go blabbing about separation of church and state...it's Canada, and we've already been told they have rights regarding expression of belief, as well as freedom of religion. I'm all for expressing yourself...but I do appreciate a little independent thought as well. But from what I can tell, he wore a shirt. He didn't go around shoving it in people's faces. He didn't hand out flyers and make speeches. He wore a simple, stupid shirt.

What's your problem with that? You may as well ban all shirts featuring beer cans, because they influence minors to partake in underage alcoholism.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Annee

 

Proselytizing? That's going a little far.

Proselytizing is solicitation and badgering. He was wearing a piece of cloth with an opinion stated on it...

I repeat, what's your issue with expressing Christianity? And don't go blabbing about separation of church and state...it's Canada, and we've already been told they have rights regarding expression of belief, as well as freedom of religion. I'm all for expressing yourself...but I do appreciate a little independent thought as well. But from what I can tell, he wore a shirt. He didn't go around shoving it in people's faces. He didn't hand out flyers and make speeches. He wore a simple, stupid shirt.

What's your problem with that? You may as well ban all shirts featuring beer cans, because they influence minors to partake in underage alcoholism.

had a mate expelled for wearing a mj shirt once. so you cant argue logical things against illogical things as that.

Me.. id wear an inverted cross with the dam places name on it, just to piss them off..

it' beyond ridiculous guys.. WHY ARE WE still sitting on our hands?

reply to post by mainidh


Just to be clear...he wore a Michael Jackson shirt and got expelled for it?

Exactly when did they kick Christianity out if the school system, we had Bible study, in grade school we had prayer before school, we celebrated Christmas and sang Christmas carols,

Why are the minority dictating to the majority?

reply to post by Annee

Nowhere in the OP was teaching religion as history mentioned or even hinted at.

Other than your damn posts, "teaching religion as history" isn't mentioned anywhere in this thread either, yet you continually bring that, and "separation of church and state" up. Niether one has anything to do with William Swinimer's suspension, his school, his damn shirt, the OP, or either of the two pertinent articles that were linked to from within this thread.

However - - my point is several high schools in the USA have banned Pro-Gay T-shirts - - but allowed Christian shirts.

Your point also has ABSOLOTELY NOTHING to do with this topic or even Canada, and it only serves to reinforce your obviously biased opinions against Christians.

Equal Rights is a government/political issue - - therefore should be allowed in public schools.

If so, why are you so damn adamently opposed to William Swinimer's "Equal Rights"? They were absolutely violated!

In separation of church and state - - public schools should not allow Christian (or any religious/anti or non religious) T-shirt.

Horse crap!

The wall that IS the "separation between church and state" is the VERY SAME WALL THAT SHOULD PREVENT, and NOT ENCOURAGE, a supension of a student for purely religious reasons in the United States.

You obviously don't know a damn thing about "the separation of church and state". Heres a link, go learn something. As it is, you certainly don't know what you're talking about!

It is a very straight forward logical point of view - - - not based in emotion or belief.

I disagree! Your view is based in fantasy, and has nothing to do with logic, or even reality.

I realize Christians refuse to see the difference.

And there we have another jab at Christians...

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by IronArm

We are under the ultimate authority of the Queen and the Church of England.

That is a VERY OUTSTANDING POINT!

See ya buddy,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


oops you found the same link I did. Good work!

reply to post by Annee

We are talking about a public high school kid who got suspended for harassing students with his proselytizing and wearing a Jesus T-shirt. Something that could happen anywhere.

No... He was not "suspended for harassing students with his proselytizing". He was suspended only because he wore a "Jesus T-shirt". That is something that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN ANYWHERE!

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

oops you found the same link I did. Good work!

Thank you!

I doubt it will do any good though. Most ignorant people I've met normally choose to stay that way.

See ya buddy,
Milt

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
But an important point here is that while schools are suspending kids wearing t shirts sporting the name of Jesus and anything else related to the Christian religion, and Christianity in general has been eliminated from school campus on the grounds it is religious

You should try reading the story in the OP instead of just taking the part that he intentionally isolated at face value, because it says that he wore the shirt a lot to school, plus it offended some students in teachers because it basically said that you're wasting your life if you're not a Christian. The Prinicpal even said the shirt would've been okay if it had been worded differently. Also, Christianity hasn't been eliminated from school campuses at all. The power it may have had on school campuses (which is clearly what you mean by that) has been eliminated, but it itself hasn't.

As for the global warming=religion nonsense, again, take that to another thread.

reply to post by technical difficulties


I seriously doubt that it would have been okay with others if it had been worded differently.

It was just a pro-Jesus message, and not really meant to be proselytizing. Some people are just being arses and taking offense at it.

Let me ask you this, what are the exact words that would be okay that would not be taken in any offensive way?
I'd like to see at least three examples.

reply to post by Stormdancer777

OH! the Irony, I recall a quite a quite few months back, being called a racist and a bigot because I was against the stoning and Hanging of Islamic women and gays,

OH! The Irony, (should that be quoted?) you cannot seem to get the point that we are not talking about the US, but Rather Canada.

reply to post by RyanFromCan


But it has been shown that Canada does have rights to free speech similar to America.