Your God is your ultimate barrier to finding the Godhead.

Your God is your ultimate barrier to finding the Godhead.

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The Jews, the true authority and interpreters of Eden, saw mankind’s gain of knowledge as an elevation in their struggle to understand God. Israel [as understood by Hebrews, = he strives with God]. Strive can be read as to mean to work either with or against. Jews equated God more with a source of knowledge than a source of command that must be obeyed. This is shown by archetypal Moses ignoring God’s law of divorce.

Being a Gnostic Christian, my view goes to following the Jewish view for two basic reasons. They have more authority over the O. T. than Christians and secondly, they give our creation, beginning and God a happy ending for our passage through Eden. True evil had yet to manifest itself to that point in time.

Christians on the other hand, with their view of Eden as man’s fall, cannot see a perfect heaven without evil. God fails on this issue and admits it by casting Satan out.

Christians cannot see a perfect Eden on earth without evil. God fails on this issue and admits it by casting Adam and Eve out.

In Noah’s day, God repented from his sins. He missed the mark and admits it by destroying most of mankind and animal kind with an immoral genocide. God fails on this issue as well.

Did the Jews win in their striving against God to a point where they could judge him?
I think so thanks to Moses and the divorce laws.

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We cannot today know why Christianity reversed some of the Jewish thinking when embracing the O. T. and it’s God and going from man’s elevation to man’s fall.

Should Christians consider following that good Jewish example and do as other cultures have done as shown by Joseph Campbell and seek a messiah the way most Jews do?

If not, then Christians will have to learn to live in a world where their God can be accurately described like this.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Dawkins and most Jews call the bible fiction. Jews can thus get around this accurate description of God by just admitting the truth. It is all myth and metaphor. Literalist and fundamental Christians cannot and I think that over time this rather ugly God will kill Christianity.

At one time the Christian God of the gaps may have had a role to play for us but man has moved on. Christians should perhaps do the same and seek their true God.

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DL

Good thread... S&F

Who or what is the true God in your opinion?

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Religion has played its role. It was meant to keep man on a knife-edge, the surest path of survival. No loopholes, no lax ropes, no nothing. Nothing that would allow man to slip and fall into extinction.

It has succeeded in its purpose. We have survived long enough to master technology. But now, it's time to turn to spirituality and start catching up to scratch with it.

I agree with everything you posted here...but this was my addition to it. Christianity was necessary for keeping us alive to the technology age...the age where immortality itself almost seems reachable. But along with power, comes the wisdom to use it. And to gain that wisdom, we must find true spirituality.

But here's the crux of it: technology and spirituality are opposite ends of the spectrum, and mankind has never been good at the balancing act. We've always been an impulsive, lustful, extremist species, and now we must master the art of balance...to the point that we balance science with religion, technology with spirituality, physical with metaphysical.

It's the only way we'll grow. It's the only way we'll survive.

You're right, Christianity's time is coming to an end. But after it is gone, true spirituality must take its place. It's not that we don't need spirit...it's that we don't KNOW spirit. And now, we must find out. That is the truth that is needed.

Originally posted by Akragon
Good thread... S&F

Who or what is the true God in your opinion?

Wrong question, Akragon.

Why is it always "one right path" with you?

Get over yourself. Chaining yourself to the knife-edge no longer suffices in this age. Change is necessary for survival.

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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by Akragon
Good thread... S&F

Who or what is the true God in your opinion?

Wrong question, Akragon.

Why is it always "one right path" with you?

Get over yourself. Chaining yourself to the knife-edge no longer suffices in this age. Change is necessary for survival.

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I don't believe i was talking to you...

When did i say theres only one right path?!?

There is "the best" path... but all paths lead to the same place...

If you're not going to read what i post, why do you talk to me?

Just to disagree?

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I don't care if you weren't talking to me. I talked to you, and you answered. So now I'm justified.

"Who or what is the true god?"

This was your question. It also appears to be a heavily loaded question, in that the Christian doctrine says, "One true god." Interesting choice of words, eh?

There doesn't have to be a one true god, and if you weren't Christian, you'd recognize that.

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Oh, look. It figures the trolls would be attracted by the scent of religious discussion...

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You seem very very aware ..

Originally posted by Starchild23
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I don't care if you weren't talking to me. I talked to you, and you answered. So now I'm justified.

"Who or what is the true god?"

This was your question. It also appears to be a heavily loaded question, in that the Christian doctrine says, "One true god." Interesting choice of words, eh?

There doesn't have to be a one true god, and if you weren't Christian, you'd recognize that.

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sorry friend im not christian...

I don't think you know what you're talkin about honestly...

You said it was the wrong question... it wasn't directed at you... so why would i care if you think its wrong?

It was an honest question, and you're welcome to answer if you like

Originally posted by Starchild23
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Oh, look. It figures the trolls would be attracted by the scent of religious discussion...

Is that why the non-religious flock to the religion forums? I always wondered why that is.

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Originally posted by Akragon
Good thread... S&F

Who or what is the true God in your opinion?

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The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Greatest I am

 

Religion has played its role. It was meant to keep man on a knife-edge, the surest path of survival. No loopholes, no lax ropes, no nothing. Nothing that would allow man to slip and fall into extinction.

It has succeeded in its purpose. We have survived long enough to master technology. But now, it's time to turn to spirituality and start catching up to scratch with it.

I agree with everything you posted here...but this was my addition to it. Christianity was necessary for keeping us alive to the technology age...the age where immortality itself almost seems reachable. But along with power, comes the wisdom to use it. And to gain that wisdom, we must find true spirituality.

But here's the crux of it: technology and spirituality are opposite ends of the spectrum, and mankind has never been good at the balancing act. We've always been an impulsive, lustful, extremist species, and now we must master the art of balance...to the point that we balance science with religion, technology with spirituality, physical with metaphysical.

It's the only way we'll grow. It's the only way we'll survive.

You're right, Christianity's time is coming to an end. But after it is gone, true spirituality must take its place. It's not that we don't need spirit...it's that we don't KNOW spirit. And now, we must find out. That is the truth that is needed.

Thanks for this.

I to tend to divide the political/physical from spirituality as well. Our two natures.
Religions, with their hierarchies that the follower must kowtow to for spiritual guidance, have retarded the search for the Godhead within all of us. One will not look within when we are told that God is somewhere out there.

Regards
DL

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I must have done well if all you can talk about is me and nothing of the O P.

Thanks. for the compliment.

Such petty thinking should not denigrate someone else's thinking unless one can actually say something against the thinking.

Chastisement without corection is just cruelty so thanks for showing your mind set.

Regards
DL

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Originally posted by Starchild23
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Oh, look. It figures the trolls would be attracted by the scent of religious discussion...

Is that why the non-religious flock to the religion forums? I always wondered why that is.

Not surprising that you do not know why non-believers and wiser people engage with the delusional.

They are actually showing a better spirit than the supposedly religious.
It is called social responsibility, social conscience and duty and even as you do not know it, they are following the scriptures that you do not.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

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I think what we have here is a complete misunderstanding on my part ...You see You call yourself a christian ..I have a understanding of what a christian is ....your post www.abovetopsecret.com... explains to me your minds thought .. You see where my confusion was coming in was thinking that you had Christianity completely up side down and backwards ..But I now think its worse than that .."Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being" That statement right there should make it quite clear that you are claiming to be anti-christ ....But then again you say and show that you can flip around understanding as to moral issues so you can [snipped] where you want and have no need for a higher moral advisor than yourself.. and when you are talking to other people about a God you actually mean you ... am I understanding this correctly?.

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WOW... you use Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
And claim that you cant rationally believe in a loving God that would tell you where not to [snipped]...I think you should step away from the shovel because that pit you are digging is bottomless........

Originally posted by Greatest I am

At one time the Christian God of the gaps may have had a role to play for us but man has moved on. Christians should perhaps do the same and seek their true God.

Regards
DL

I'm still convinced that the OT actually refers to more than one god (several just in Genesis). The contradictions are obvious. If you are to believe in Jesus, then the god of genocide and baby killing cannot be the god of love that Jesus speaks of. If you are to believe in the OT, then it's easy to see why they didn't accept Jesus as their savior since he embraced peace and love and rejected the old ways.

The bible is a primer written about several gods. Almost an encyclopedia of Judeo-Christian pantheon. This puts all faiths under that umbrella into an observation box of scrutiny that becomes more and more examined with each generation. Dogma and the entirety of the church is dangerous for modern society and I think we will soon see a huge overhaul in what people of faith accept as spiritual truth and what they will reject as religious dogma.

It will be a good thing.

In fact, to illustrate the contradictory notion that the bible is uniform in speaking about only one god, I present this illustration: