Five accused of conspiring to blow up Cleveland-area bridge.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


I respect your view.

The thing that gets me is this has been done over and over. So much that if it was not hatched by the FBI itself, it would be an exception to what they've done the past couple of decades. Know what I mean?

I wish I had more time right now to list them all but I am at work so I will post a video from our good friend Judge Napolitano speaking on the subject.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
this is conjecture tho, your opinion on the fact that these guys look like crackheads doesnt mean they were, and also doesnt mean they were broke...

Also if they ARE, couldnt they have been selling their "supplies" to buy this stuff?

people can get money for things like this if they really want to, and if they are determined......whose to say they werent given money by other "anarchist" people in their social circle to carry out this plan?

Like i said, too much conjecture

To a point I do agree it is conjecture. All the information has not come out yet however there is plenty of evidence to tip us off and help us come to a logical conclusion. Let us take a look at some of this evidence and see what common sense, logical conclusion we come up with shall we?

We can start by looking at these "anarchist". We know that 5 people have been arrested.

1. Brandon Baxter has a Facebook page which list his political views as "anarcho-communist" and under Employment he has listed "#OccupyCleveland"

2. Douglas Wright. Not much on his Facebook page but an image that would indicate that his political views are similar to that of Brandon Baxter.

3. Anthony Hayne who list his employment as "#OccupyCleveland"

4. Connor Stevens who does not have a Facebook page.

5. Joshua Stafford. A 23 year old who list his favorite activities as "smoking weed" and his employment as "#OccupyCleveland"
SOURCE

Are you seeing a theme here? So why would this matter exactly? Well we know for a fact that Occupy movements all over the US were infiltrated by Federal Agencies. We know for a fact that the Federal Government worked with local Police Departments to put down these peaceful protest. If you are unwilling to accept these statements as fact, let me know and I will find the sources and link them. I am a bit pressed for time at the moment (I have to leave for work very soon).

Let us not disregard that this event follows on the heels of another event possibly involving the Occupy Movement. Envelopes with white powder sent to 6 banks and Mayor

A city official said two of the letters sent to banks read in part: “This is a reminder that you are not in control. Just in case you needed some incentive to stop working. We have a little surprise for you. Think fast.” They ended with, “Happy May Day.”
The message led some officials to speculate that the mailings had been orchestrated by the Occupy Wall Street movement, which had scheduled protests in several places in the city on Tuesday.

Now we know that Occupy has planned and announced it's return to the main stage for this Spring and Summer which many expect anyway once the Winter passed.
Occupy Returns

Now we know, as is being reported, that these people attempted to buy the C4 from an FBI Informant, but when we look at the history of FBI Informants and how this works (See WTC 1993 Bombing and the case of Hal Turner) it is not a drastic leap to come to the conclusion that I have.

Let us not forget that Occupy is supposed to be a bunch of lazy, unemployed idiots but yet they have the money to purchase C4 explosives? 5 20 something year olds?

For me... this does not pass the smell test.

reply to post by MrWendal


This could all very well be true..........

However if you are to listen to OWSers and take what hey say as truth.........then these anarchist dont represent OWS anyway.....

Also, it doesnt matter to me if they are OWSers are not, what matters is their rhetoric and intentions....

IF thier intentions were of anarchist nature and they really DID want to do this, proof buy buying the explosives....

Then what dif does it make?

I mean its not like the headline was "OWS members plot to blow up bridge foiled"

reply to post by godfather420

The Judge sure does give as something to think about, no doubt.

Transcribed from the video starting @3:44;

Are any of these plots criminal? Can the government just pick and choose whom to seduce and then lower the boom at the right time and arrest its would be confederates? Is this a proper and efficient use of law enforcement resourses?

The answers to these questions are obvious and they are not good. The courts have made this legal so long as the target of these plots had a mental predisposition to cause harm. But none of this keeps us safe. All of this makes us less free as any one of us can be entrapped. And we are fools if we praise the government for exposing a plot of its own creation and saving us from a danger that never existed.

What is the legal definition of a mental predisposition to cause harm? I wonder how many people I know could be considered to have had a mental predisposition to cause harm at one time or another in their life?

The key word here is "Entrapment".

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Oh no, i love the Judge.........and agree that quite a bit of these are hoaxes and planned....

Im just saying, it would be smart of us not to throw all of these out off hand....

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


I get what you're saying.

What I hate about this form of false flag is that they always have plausible deniability. Even if the did set it up from the start they can just claim exactly what they have claimed with this story.

This has not been used to demonize the occupy movement yet, but I am sure this will not be the last you hear of this particular event.

These guys look like meth heads. Anyone else get the same feeling? Another guy said crack, could be. But man these guys look strung out or like they're feinding for their next fix.

reply to post by MrWendal


Thanks for the info.

This certainly smells fishy to me as well.

Its funny on their facebook they have #OccupyCleveland but in the article it says these guys were disgusted with the occupy movement because it wasn't violent enough.

Could be they just supported their version of occupy as well and people would just not buy into it.

I will be keeping an eye on this as it develops.

Definitely attached to Occupy Cleveland

One of the leaders of the Occupy Cleveland movement, Brandon Baxter, is one of those arrested for today's terrorist plot to bomb a bridge in Cleveland. Occupier Brandon Baxter appears to have gotten the guidance he sought.

OCCUPIED — Occupy Cleveland organizer Brandon Baxter gets some shade in the Occupy Cleveland tent in downtown Cleveland on March 21, 2012. Baxter, one of the few remaining members of Occupy Cleveland’s physical presence downtown, said the group has seen a sharp decline in numbers since last October because of increasing disorganization. “We need guidance,” he said.

Another of today's suspects is Anthony Hayne, named previously in a report on Occupy Cleveland. “I just want to be very clear: we are not occupying Lakewood,” said Anthony Hayne, who is organizing the information session. Hayne, a Lakewood resident since 2001, said there will be about six or seven members of Occupy Cleveland, which stems from the Occupy Wall Street movement, at the table Saturday.

www.breitbart.com...

looks like a "fun" guy
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Here is the official legal document/complaint against these suspects
www.cbsnews.com...

To think, Obama actually embraced this movement hmmm wonder if he will still give them his thumbs up after today??

With this case now blown wide open, expect a zero tolerance action plan involving any and everything "Occupy" and 99% Spring.

Game on!!

Take a good look at those guys faces. That's what happens when society neglects a part of itself, that's what happens when people stop believing that "all men are created equal".

Given a different life, all of these men would have ended up different and given a different life, all of our politicians would have ended up criminals. Heh, well... most of them.

This is not an issue of a person being unfit for society, this is a problem with society itself.

It's a good racket the feds have going.

Case out gatherings, protests, concerts, whatever for people who look unstable then prod them and coax them until they're willing to do something stupid them bust them for it after giving them all the material support they need and say "see, America? We're not safe in this post bull# world. Give us more power and money."

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Exactly.

What's worse is people fall for this bull...

People genuinely believe this crap and when there are finally TSA agents everywhere violating their 4th amendment the majority will just submit and say it makes them feel safe.

The argument will eventually be "well if you don't want to get groped, don't leave your house."

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by godfather420
Another plot foiled by the FBI.

Thank god they are keeping everyone safe.

Since 9/11, Muslims in the USA have been prevented by the FBI, CIA and police forces from carrying out their plots to

• Destroy the Brooklyn bridge

• Blow up an Ohio shopping mall

• Blow up the New York stock exchange

• Blow up the NY subway

• Blow up an Indian diplomat with a shoulder fired grenade launcher

• Blow up National Guard facilities and synagogues in the LA area

• Blow up the Wyoming natural gas refinery & the Transcontinental Pipeline

• Set off a dirty bomb in the USA

• Blow up the US Capitol and Word Bank Headquarters

• Blow up the Sears tower in Chicago

• Blow up NY city train tunnels

• Set off hand grenades in a shopping mall outside Chicago

• Conspiring to attack Fort Dix, New Jersey

• Set off a TAPT bomb in the NY subway

• Blow up a Dallas skyscraper

• Set off a car bomb outside the courthouse in downtown Springfield, Illinois

• Murder civilians in US shopping malls

• Blow up “aviation fuel tanks and pipelines at the John F. Kennedy International Airport”

• Shoot down planes with stinger missiles.

creepingsharia.wordpress.com...

Two things are clear. Islamic terrorists are neither lacking in numbers or ambition in the US.

Garbage information. All those plots were manufactured by the FBI. FBI was DIRECTLY involved with them. Of the 3 terror plots that WERE NOT manufactured by the FBI since 9/11, they were all stopped by aware citizens. So in that sense, the FBI and the federal government, including 9/11, is 0 for 4 in stopping REAL grassroots terrorist plots.

Originally posted by godfather420
Another plot foiled by the FBI.

Thank god they are keeping everyone safe.

Oh wait, they sold the fake bombs and most likely set-up the whole thing.

Thanks FBI!

That is EXACTLY what this was. FBI informant infiltrates an occupy meeting in Cleveland and dupes these morons into attempting to blow up certain locations. This wasn't even a close knit group, it was just some punks talking # at an Occupy meeting. This is EXACTLY what the government needed to try and convince us all that Occupy is violent extremism.

The federal probe that resulted last night in the arrest of five purported anarchists for allegedly plotting to bomb an Ohio bridge began last year at an Occupy Wall Street rally in Cleveland that was infiltrated by an informant who was directed to attend the event by his FBI handlers.

www.thesmokinggun.com...

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by ollncasino

 

well in all fairness, these guys werent muslim or from an arab country.......

They were "white" anarchist

Which serves the purpose of equating white anti-government folks (legitimate people) with terrorism. Mission accomplished by the FBI.

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by damingus

Originally posted by godfather420
I am at work and don't have much time to reply.

But here is one more "foiled" plot.

Link

The truth is that most of these foiled attacks are actually hatched by the FBI themselves. This has been done over and over. They find a mentally unstable person or persons. They then offer up a plot making these patsies think they are doing something patriotic and provide the materials. Then at the last minute they can pose as the saviors, they get a front page story, hence justifying even more crackdown.

Cmon guys really??

First off, any proof to your statement that these plots are hatched by the FBI?
And do you really think that these "mentally unstable" people are giving up their lives to create such an attack by the FBI coming to them? Come on really? Why is it so hard to believe that people like this actually exist?
I live about 20 miles from this bridge and it would have been absolutely devastating if this were to happen.

Actually there is proof.

During the trial of the 1993 WTC Bombers, one of the informants became very suspicious of the FBI. He began feeling like he was being set up. He knew that the FBI was using legit bomb making materials instead of fake materials like they said they would. He was also concerned that he was not going to be paid like he was promised. So the informant began taping all his conversations with his FBI Handlers and those tapes were supplied to the defense lawyers but never played in court.

What did the tapes show? That the FBI sought out the "extremist", that the FBI created the plan, that the FBI supplied all the bomb making materials, that the FBI knew the date and time of the attack, that the FBI made the actual bomb because the extremest couldn't, and the best thing the tapes showed is that the "extremist" actually failed by not parking the truck bomb next to the column they were instructed to park at.

The 1993 WTC Bombing case is one that people should look at very very very carefully. The recordings of the FBI are very well known, what the tapes tell us is very very clear. Yet the propaganda behind the Official Story is just insane. As an example, let us use some sections from Wiki about the 1993 bombing.

Though the cause of the blast was not immediately known, with some suspecting a transformer explosion, agents and bomb technicians from the ATF, FBI, and the NYPD quickly responded to the scene. The magnitude of the explosion was far beyond that of a transformer explosion. In the days after the bombing, investigators surveyed the damage and looked for clues. While combing through the rubble in the underground parking area, a bomb technician located some internal component fragments from the vehicle that delivered the bomb. A vehicle identification number (VIN), found on a piece from an axle, gave investigators crucial information that led them to a Ryder truck rental outlet in Jersey City. Investigators determined that the vehicle had been rented by Mohammad Salameh, one of Yousef's co-conspirators.[21] Salameh had reported the van stolen, and when he returned on March 4, 1993, to get his deposit back, authorities arrested him.[22]

What makes this interesting? It's in the first couple sentences. Why would the FBI suspect a transformer explosion when the FBI participated in supplying the materials to build the bomb? Why would the FBI suspect a transformer when it was their plan? Their truck? Their idea? This is not speculation... this is fact shown by the recordings which took place prior to the bombing.

You can read more about it HERE

The 93 WTC false flag bombing was main stream news!

Originally posted by Drew99GT

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by ollncasino

 

well in all fairness, these guys werent muslim or from an arab country.......

They were "white" anarchist

Which serves the purpose of equating white anti-government folks (legitimate people) with terrorism. Mission accomplished by the FBI.

Terrorism isnt defined by race............

These guys had planned on their own, to topple signs from large financial firms off of buildings.....potentially killing or hurting many people......

They took it to the next lvl when they were offered an explosive...........

There is intent there........and yes thats terrorism..........terrorism isnt defined by the color of your skin.......

Now granted, I do believe the gov is trying to expand its parameters and are ridiculous with it......and target people they know damn well are not........including former military and anyone that is against the gov....

The defining line tho is, when someone has intent to cause distruction that could harm other people........

You cant throw out the baby with the bathwater.......

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask


Terrorism isnt defined by race............

These guys had planned on their own

How do you know? The only way anyone knows is because an FBI handled informant infiltrated the group!

As to terrorism and race, my point was that the DHS and the Federal Government is trying their damnedest to portray Caucasian conservatives who are against the increasing power of the Federal Government, as terrorists. What better way to accomplish that then to get some crazy white crackheads to claim they're gonna blow up government and private institutions?

Originally posted by Drew99GT

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask


Terrorism isnt defined by race............

These guys had planned on their own

How do you know? The only way anyone knows is because an FBI handled informant infiltrated the group!

As to terrorism and race, my point was that the DHS and the Federal Government is trying their damnedest to portray Caucasian conservatives who are against the increasing power of the Federal Government, as terrorists. What better way to accomplish that then to get some crazy white crackheads to claim they're gonna blow up government and private institutions?

That doesnt mean it wasnt legitimate..........the problem here is you are white washing everything.......

FBI doesnt mean everyone in the FBI is a a jerk that hates liberty.......there are good people there, just like there are everywhere, who jsut want to keep people safe.........just as there are people who have an agenda.......

To off hand say that this never happened and they were set up , is illogical and irresponsible.......

Could it of happend like you said? Of course...........but could it be that they genuinely stopped these guys from doing something horrible, very likely.......

Now as to the other, I do agree the government that the Feds are tryin gto portray an ever widening array of people as terrorist.........however I do not agree that it has to do with race.......and more with political affiliation against the government........

What's interesting is that they're not Muslim's, so they're not called 'terrorists'. I guess this term only applies to Muslims.

Originally posted by GLaDOS
What's interesting is that they're not Muslim's, so they're not called 'terrorists'. I guess this term only applies to Muslims.

Kinda like the media refused to call the guy at the Ft.Hood shooting a terrorist? And obama came out and made a statement that its important NOT to call him a terrorist?

Even tho he was hollering Alah Ahk Bar , while shooting these people in mass, and had ties to terrorist organizations? And hes middle eastern?

Stop playing the race card