How Do 400,000 Smart People Get Fooled And Never Doubt Apollo And Never See It For A Big Phony Fake

Thanks as always to my sis and Charlie these days for helping me with the details of my posts(punctuation, grammar and spelling). This is another one I could not have done without their help. They are spoiling me.

People always say, "How could Apollo be fake? There were 400,000 workers. OK, most were grunts and drones and wouldn't know a thing, but you have to be kidding if you think something that complicated could be contained. It must be true because word would have gotten out someway somehow by now. All of those people could not have kept their collective mouth shut".

Consider this video again by TSD, but with a twist in the analysis. This spin by my buddy Charlie and me.



Sy Leibergot was the EECOM at the time of the fake Apollo 13 O2 tank explosion. So he would be the very most important person in all of mission control at that time. More than anyone he was the one who needed to figure things out along with the astronauts.

John Young claims he was looking over Sy Leibergot's shoulder right at the time of the O2 tank explosion and based on his vast knowledge and insight knew that the problem had to do with an equipment malfunction and was not simply a problem with the data read out or what they call "instrumentation" sometimes.

Sy Leibergot as you see and hear in this short video by TSD swears John Young was not there and not only does he swear John Young was not there but he has a picture of the pretty much empty mission control room at the time to prove it.

Of course we know that John young is lying and that this is a small but very good proof of Apollo phoniness and this was TSD's point in making the video.

But Charlie and I were talking about how this emphasizes that honest people like Leibergot were fooled and never caught on even when it should have been fairly obvious and the reason is simply because they trusted people like Young. and were sort of dazzled by the hardware and images themselves. Who would not be?

The obvious solution to the contradiction presented in the video here is that Young is lying and the lie was part of a case the hoax insiders were trying to build early on that had as a feature the O2 tank blowing. People like Leibergot did not make the equipment problem assumption right away and by not doing so it created difficulties for the inside schemers that many of you probably already know about. We can cover that later if you are unaware of those difficulties that people like Kranz had as a consequence. But as obvious as the obvious solution was it turns out Leibergot and the rest of the mission control room staff never became suspicious as suspicious they should have become.

Why were 400,000 people fooled by probably no more than several hundred? First of all Apollo was really about something. they are launching things and planting stuff on the moon and carrying out military missions so Apollo is very real in real time and all of these workers are really working. they are just not working to land people on the moon. But they do not know that. They are landing unmanned things on the moon and parking stuff around here and there and everywhere. So to them it is real and in a way it is very real, real rockets, real equipment, real input from the workers mostly. Secondly, people like Leibergot have no good reason to doubt the sincerity of a John Young type person. Leibergot is working hard there and doing his job. Young tells a big fat lie and Leibergot chalks it up to poor memory on Young's part. He's sitting in front of a fancy console with rockets over head and beeping and important people running around.

This video is a way to see that. It was not TSD's main point which was simply that Young was lying and Apollo is fake and Leibergot has the picture to prove it. But it turns out that the most important people to fool were the honest non insider mission control workers and they turned out to be relatively easy to fool despite blatant lying because of the high tech dazzlement factor and fact there was no good reason to doubt the good word of these bad people like John Young.

It is very crazy when you think about it all.

Thanks again to my sis and Charlie for all of the typing help and corrections on my word order and such and will let them off the hook for a while and do the best I can on my own.

If I may ask....Where do the Soviets fit into all this? Would you have seen them as simply allowing the U.S. to bamboozle the world or were they somehow directly involved, along side us? I mean, it really has to be one of the two, doesn't it? The Soviet Union was spending serious %'s of their national resources in a race with us..and if it was all a sham? Well, that has to be accounted for somehow too?

How can anyone take the video seriously when it begins with a personal attack?

relatively easy to fool despite blatant lying because of the high tech dazzlement factor

This is what dumb people say when they don't understand something.

The tech used in the Apollo missions is well documented and easily understood by anyone of average intelligence.

Are you having a hard time understanding it?

I can think of 2 possibilities:

1. The fake is so good that the technology borders on magic and we need to just let it go.
2. It wasn't faked.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000



I am one of those individuals who believe the Soviets were doing the same thing we were and that is placing weapons in space

the Soviets did not have a fake moon landing as a feature of their weapons in space program but had the same goals and probably the same successes

they will not say anything because they are breaking international treaties like the outer space treaty of 1967 as much as the americans

reply to post by OccamAssassin



Dear OccamAssassin,

even if it is a personal attack it does not disprove the video makers claim that John Young is a liar and that he told the lie with a specific purpose in mind and that the lying demonstrates apollo being a scam

i find the argument very persuasive myself but i am biased i have followed the video maker for almost a year when he was mostly doing writing so i do admit that

Well, I'm interested to see if this thread develops. You've obviously put some real thought into your theory and you're coming at it from a different direction than I've personally heard before. Maybe others have heard it many times, but I hadn't quite this way. Hmmm...

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck



Dear AnIntellectualRedneck,

The faking is not very good

you can consider this very good simple example of bad espionage on the part of the apollo hoaxers to hide their Eagle

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and we can go on and on and on with many more solid proofs of fony stuff like this

so your number 1 explanation can be tossed and my little post there on the MSFN and Tranquility Base coordinate contradiction invalidates your number two and so we are left with a very fake apollo and obviously fake

everyone write obama and your congress people i am not kidding do it !!!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I cannot take full credit for TSD ideas but Charlie and me and timmy share his approach whereby we focus on the study of the story more or less if you follow me here you will be convinced of apollo being fake it is all simple you will see

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Wrabbit2000,

simply check my work here it is very simple


www.abovetopsecret.com...

there you have it in numbers

apollo is fake

reply to post by decisively

I didn't say I agreed... It's an interesting theory I haven't heard before and wouldn't mind seeing where a few more space related members might go with it.

I'll say this..and why I am interested. I've always believed the Air Force/Military space program and NASA programs in the 1960's went their separate ways, but we've always been told the Military side essentially just ended outright. Apparently, it didn't seriously restart until all these decades later with the X-plane and whatever the heck it's supposed to be doing? It doesn't make much sense. At the same time, if two programs were running side by side, overlap would be expected.... Images which catch things that shouldn't be in orbit....or things flying around which shouldn't exist. Hmmm..

Anyway...like I said, I can't say I necessarily agree with ya, but there are questions in all that, to be sure.

I wouldn't put any stock into what this guy in the video is saying for one very glaring reason. One of the comments he makes is laughably wrong.

The Quindar tones, I figured them out. Apollo is literally a movie, all taped. The Quindar tones frame the CapCom comments. The tones are part of a system to edit the CapCom lines into the prerecorded Apollo jive.

The Quindar tones are the beeps you hear before and after CapCom transmissions. There's no mystery about them, so there's nothing to "figure out".

Quindar tones

Quindar Tones, most often referred to as the "beeps" that were heard during the American Apollo space missions, were a means by which remote transmitters on Earth were turned on and off so that the Capsule communicator (CapCom) could communicate with the crews of the spacecraft. It was a means of in-band signaling to simulate the action of the push to talk-release to listen (commonly referred to as PTT) button commonly found on walkie-talkies.

The need for Quindar Tones

For Mission Control (in Houston, Texas) to stay in continuous contact with the astronauts as they travelled to and from the Moon, NASA used several tracking stations around the world, switching from one to the next as the planet turned. Each station had an Apollo Unified S-Band (USB) earth station connected to Houston with dedicated telephone lines. The USB system was full duplex but microphone switching was still needed to block local conversations and background noise from being transmitted. The astronauts needed only push-to-talk or VOX switching, but this was insufficient at Houston because the telephone lines connecting it to the tracking stations were analog and subject to noise and crosstalk when the channel was quiet. This could annoy the astronauts or disturb their sleep.

This meant that the mute switch that controlled the Houston-to-spacecraft audio had to be located at the tracking station transmitter, and the purpose of the Quindar Tones was to operate this switch remotely. The same system was used in Project Gemini and were still in use with half duplex UHF Space Shuttle communications for transmitter RF switching.

People burn my ass when they make claims like this with no evidence other than "wot I figgered out". I'd say this guy is a scammer and a hoaxer and I would advise you to not take anything he says seriously.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000



Here is an easy way to show you that apollo was military

did you know that in the 1960s the best way to measure the earths gravitational field was by way of measuring the distance to the moon of all things ?

before they had the LRRR they used more conventional EM radiation that was bounced off the moon and gave a distance

then when the LRRR came along they used laser light and got a very specific number for distance and so very accurate for the strength of the earths G field

did you know that earths gravitational field measurements were very important in ICBM targeting solutions ?

with the advent of the LRRR that is how the numbers were arrived at in part and so the missiles were targeted using these LRRR numbers

not all there was to it but you are getting the idea

this is a very small thing but will get you going

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Did you know the russian almaz had a cannon on it to shot satellites that might try to attack it ?

reply to post by N3k9Ni


you do not throw the baby out with bath water

the Quindar thing may be correct or incorrect

I like his quindar idea

the John Young issue is a different thing altogether

John Young says he was present and Leibergot says no and has a picture to prove that

John Young is a liar

the Quindar thing may or may not be true

reply to post by N3k9Ni



Best way to say it is that obviously the quindar thing is speculative at this time but the John Young thing is a definite

Apollo is very fake and i know that for myself

www.abovetopsecret.com...

see those numbers there N3k9Ni ?

John Young cannot lie his way out of that one

he flies fake ships because my calculations unlike John Young do not lie

reply to post by decisively

Hmmm..... No, I can't say that I've read about those theories before. It's something I'll poke around the net to read about when I have some sleep...but it sounds interesting.

Now in terms of Apollo having dual military benefit, if nothing else at all, I'd figure that is a given. After all, that was the coldest point of the cold war and nothing was non-military in a true sense. Even the Arctic and Antarctic stuff was with military undertones. Then again...how much has changed? Hmm.. You are tossing a bit to look into though.

reply to post by decisively

the Quindar thing may be correct or incorrect

I'd be willing to bet dollars for doughnuts that it is incorrect.

For starters, you don't need the tones to assist in editing as you can use the blank spaces to index (I know this for a fact as my old Kenwood stereo does exactly that).

The Quindar tones are commonly used by HAM radio operators. The tones merely represent that a transmission has ended without the operator having to say "OVER".

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


another simple point

the MOL was an american military program that sought to place a manned military reconnaissance lab in earth orbit on a pretty much permanent basis

Edgar mitchell had a high level role in that program which was said to have been cancelled before it got off the ground

why would mitchell join nasa as an apollo astronaut before MOL was cancelled ?

MOL and Mitchell and Apollo and NASA are military all the same foolish junk and a waste of our money

write obama and end the madness

reply to post by OccamAssassin


OccamAssassin,

you may well be correct and i think one of TSD's shortcomings is he is to much of a hard charger

but i still like the idea and the reason is that if you believe nasa is fake and i know it is fake then much of it cannot be carried out in real time

if it is fake and it is not real time there must be a way to create the illusion of spontaneity and the quindar thing works well in some general sense

it has appeal

of course there would be other ways to fake all of this