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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by 00nunya00
What is legal is not necessarily lawful. If what is legal is not lawful then this legality is merely a mystical incantation that has as much force as any shamans ooga booga nonsense. It matters not what nation we are talking about, there is a rule of law and there is "rule by law". The rule of law begins with the inherent political power belonging to the people, and all governments are established to protect and defend the rights of individuals. "Rule by law" is the reverse, where governments assert that only they can grant rights and that the people exist solely for their pleasure.
In terms of electronic transferals, no this is not "cold hard cash". Cold hard cash would actually be coins minted with some precious metal that reflects the value of the coin. Fiat currency is not "cold hard cash" it is money build upon confidence instead of backed by actual wealth. If I take out a loan based upon confidence then what do I have? If I take out a loan backed by say gold, what do I have?
Originally posted by unityemissions
Look, the banks run on confidence.
Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I agree in theory, but in practice it's quite different. How many millions of people were against the bailouts and found them unlawful? What could they do about it? Zero. How many people feel the Fed is unlawful, and what can they do about it? It would be great if we were governed by our own consent, but in reality we're governed by the will of the biggest donors and lobbyists. Until we're willing to contribute vastly larger amounts of cash to our legislators than the lobbyists do, we're not governed by our consent. We are unwilling to turn off the TV and exercise our political power.
Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by it4lian
And just what system would you replace it with?
Where do you get the money to buy a car or even a house?
You can change their name from bank to bunk if you like but it will still function the exact same way.
Someone deposits money and recieves interest.
They loan it out and charge interest.
Originally posted by jtma508
Oh naive one... if only this were remotely true.
Originally posted by KoolerKing
Could someone please explain how the banking system will fall apart?
I understand just about everything but how does the selling of bonds hold this thing up?
I know the fed prints as much money as it wants. How come we have not had hyper inflation or devalued currency as of yet? I'm just looking for answers or something easy to read so my primitive intellect understands this situation based on solid math. Thanks. Kooler.
Originally posted by KoolerKing
Could someone please explain how the banking system will fall apart?
I understand just about everything but how does the selling of bonds hold this thing up?
I know the fed prints as much money as it wants. How come we have not had hyper inflation or devalued currency as of yet? I'm just looking for answers or something easy to read so my primitive intellect understands this situation based on solid math. Thanks. Kooler.
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by KoolerKing
Could someone please explain how the banking system will fall apart?
I understand just about everything but how does the selling of bonds hold this thing up?
I know the fed prints as much money as it wants. How come we have not had hyper inflation or devalued currency as of yet? I'm just looking for answers or something easy to read so my primitive intellect understands this situation based on solid math. Thanks. Kooler.
Here is the simple math. Printing money devalues the currency. if you have 100,000 in circulation and you add another 100,000 you just devalued your currency by 50% because you now have twice the money chasing the same goods and services so prices always rise to adjust to the amount of currency in circulation its a law of economics. So if you have 1000 in the bank it will now only buy half the goods and services it previously bought before more currency was added to the economy.
Ok here's what most people do not understand. Printing money is not the main way our system adds currency to the economy. Printing federal reserve notes is just the petty cash of the system. The main way currency is added is by making loans. When you take out a loan a promissory note is created and considered an asset and is traded and sold on the market it is currency. Then you have fractional reserve. So if your note is for 10,000 they can now loan another 90,000 based on the note. Where did all this money come from that they are loaning? Answer from thin air based on your signature! Can you now begin to see how they blew up the real estate bubble so huge? They do not even need to print it it is just book entry money on a computer screen.
Then there is derivatives. They take all these notes and bundle them and sell them again to investors who can buy a little piece. Well gee what about the original note owner supposedly the bank? They just sell these over and over and create new book entry money based on fractional reserve exponentially. So now you see why this bubble is the most prolific in history. However since real estate has deflated these derivatives are worthless now but they have not been flushed out of the system yet the banks are hiding them so to speak so they do not have to take the losses. They can only do this for so long.
Why has it not completely collapsed yet? Couple things. The real estate market is deflating which was the crash of 2008 this takes currency out of the system. However it has not finished deflating because those derivatives are still out their floating around and soon they will all come home to roost and then it will finish collapsing. Right now the federal reserve is inflating more by buying 60% of their own bonds because no one else will. And by the way bonds work just like promissory notes and are essentially the same thing money from nothing. Here is the rub though when our government wants money it does not print it for the most part it buys bonds from the federal reserve at interest. So we have the banking cabal creating money from nothing loaning it to government at interest which interest was never even created this further devalues the currency and adds to the national debt which they cannot pay so they borrow more money to pay the interest only. It is fiscal insanity. That would be like you borrowing money just to pay the minimum payment on your credit card perpetually you can never pay it off and you just keep racking up more and more debt. Amplify that by a thousand time and you can see why the government is trillions in debt and growing exponentially. How long do you think that can last?
So essentially government is living off a seemingly unlimited credit card. But everyone knows that credit is not unlimited. China Japan and Saudi Arabia are our major bond buyers providing the credit for our national credit card so to speak but they are cutting way back which is why the fed is buying it now. Soon though no one will buy and the credit will be cut off and it will all come crashing down and then you will see hyperinflation in essential goods and services as they try and print their way out and deflation in non essentials etc.
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Those that say the banking system can't collapse and the fed reserve master know what they are doing should study some history they are delusional and buying the coolaid.
Originally posted by 00nunya00
^^^^This, this, this. Frigging excellent explanation.
Do any of you "ha ha, never gonna happen" folks care to refute this? Care to explain the way out of this one?