"Internet is Dead", Goodbye to ATS and other sites like this.

According to many sources, the internet is dead.. it will soon be replaced by a newe and improved internet which will be governement controled.



From what I understand is this.

The old internet, this one www, they will soon take this out let it get outdated and whatever.. Then take Internet 2 as its savor.

ALso from what I understand from other sources that this internet will be governemently controlled and will make it so places like this will not exist. They will not allow us to have aniti government type crap on there. and it will also be hooked into all kinda appliances...

I will add more on this but I will have to do more research on it before I comment more on it.

Related News Links:
www.forbes.com

[edit on 28-9-2004 by ThichHeaded]

[edit on 28-9-2004 by John bull 1]

IMHO this is not possible, it would be impossible to control every ISP and Host in the world...

Nope no need to worry.

We currently use IPV5 (Internet Protocol Version 5) which gives us so many million ip addresses.

Because more and more people use the internet now we need to change to IPV6 which can use more ip addresses for the people all around the world!

The internet will never "Die"

Also it will never be government controlled!

The likes of hackers (NOT crackers/script kiddies) hackers are infact good minded people and would never allow any one person/group/company/government etc to control the internet! EVER!
Trust me!

[edit on 28-9-2004 by markjaxson]

Originally posted by mfourl
IMHO this is not possible, it would be impossible to control every ISP and Host in the world...

They are going to pull a China kinda way of the internet.. Filter out the crap.. aka this site(Not from me).. and only have crap they want.. kinda like mainstream news.. which is exactly as I stated Crap..

But i am wondering about this also... they are having a conferance in austin tx about this internet 2 for the next few days... so.. I donno if u live in TX I would say check it out and see what it is...

and the main hubs from what I unerstand will be run by private places and universities...

but I guess we will have to wait and see.. But for some reason I do think this will happen sooner or later cause I believe the globalist hate the fact that we can smacktalk them on a world level.. so limiting on what we can do seems to be a fiesable thing to do...

I also wonder if this will be the straw that broke the camels back for americans to actually stand up and deal with the fact that things arent right and actually stand up for how screwed up things are now.. instead of sitting by and letting things happen..

Kinda like going past someone bleeding to death and not doing anything.. which has happened in the US, and UK... we have to take a stand somewhere i think.. and this might be it for people to start waking up...

Originally posted by markjaxson
The likes of hackers (NOT crackers/script kiddies) hackers are infact good minded people and would never allow any one person/group/company/government etc to control the internet! EVER!
Trust me!

[edit on 28-9-2004 by markjaxson]

and how many of us know these real hackers???

I dont see it happening

Places like this are hardly a threat to the Government

Why shut them down when you can spy one them and spot any real troublemakers before they get started.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
The old internet, this one www, they will soon take this out let it get outdated and whatever.. Then take Internet 2 as its savor.

"They" who?

ALso from what I understand from other sources that this internet will be governemently controlled and will make it so places like this will not exist. They will not allow us to have aniti government type crap on there.

The Internet belongs to the users - you and I. We control it.

How Stuff Works: The Internet
www.howstuffworks.com...

Until the government(s) control(s) telephone, cable, and privatized satellite services, there will be a civilian-controlled Internet.

It might be so that the government(s) control(s) these infrastructures some day -- at that time, things will be so far gone that browsing eBay will likely be of much lesser concern to us, considering the state of things.

Zip

I do so love these hyped up and mislead claims that the internet is 'dead' or going to come under government control. If thats the case they better take away my hanfull of routers, switches, and 802.11b access points, because with those, a few wires and some computers you can have another 'internet' in no time. Granted it would be small, thats how most things start out.

and how many of us know these real hackers???

What do you exactly mean my friend?

1. How many of us here on ATS know real hackers?
2. How many of us in the world know real hackers?

The answers.

1. Probably a few.
2. Probably a few more.

The first article (from 1998) is snarking a bit on just how stupid and antiquated the CEO's of telcom's and CLEC's are (were) bragging about marketing ideas they totally misunderstood about new connectivity offerings that apparently never happened (as that was 1998).

The Forbes link is more immediate and damning. That's processing and computing CEO's:

Sep 10, 2004 (financialwire.net via COMTEX) -- (FinancialWire) Remember those "End of the World" signs? Well, Intel Corp. (NASDAQ: INTC) says it may be nearer than we think. Except the sign says "End of the World Wide Web."

It's a vision apparently shared by Cisco (NASDAQ: CSCO), Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) and AT&T Corp. (NYSE: T), all of whom are working feverishly, either together or apart to save the World Wide Web, which Intel and others see as becoming so overloaded it will eventually break.

At Intel's technical conference, CTO Patrick Gelsinger said the Internet will begin to collapse as millions of new computer users from developing nations begin to sign on.

"We're running up on some architectural limitations," Gelsinger was quoted as saying.

But still, it's a sign that they are trying to protect and fix the Internet... not kill it. Taking us back to 1998 with telco CEO's is telling. It brings me back actually as I had a major regional ILEC going CLEC post deregulation at the time.

Those people were scared beyond belief of the Internet in the 90's. They were convinced nobody would ever pay for long distance again if they didn't do something drastic. Of course, wireless saved the industry... so kind of a dead issue from their angle. Internet is now A-OK to telco's as they fight to bring back subscribers that converted to cable connections a while ago.

Overall, all phone companies are full of it and have no idea what's going on until after it already happened to them. They're largely still dealing with the concept of two cans connected by a wire. And run by the least progressive minds in all of the "technology" industry.

Man, could I tell you stories about the branding efforts of a 100 year old phone company in my area that tried to join the 21st century recently and failed MISERABLY.

Originally posted by alternateheaven
I do so love these hyped up and mislead claims that the internet is 'dead' or going to come under government control. If thats the case they better take away my hanfull of routers, switches, and 802.11b access points, because with those, a few wires and some computers you can have another 'internet' in no time. Granted it would be small, thats how most things start out.

Exactly!

As long as I've got my Linksys wireless and 2 receivers, I've got a three-point Internet backbone!

Zip

Exactly AlternateHeaven!

And this is exactly what this news article is...

Hyped up crap!

And is this news from a guy who said he heard some people saying something about the internet being dead?

Here's a little saying i always say to myself.

Believe half what you see and nothing that you hear!

As markjaxson said above, I think he was referring to IPv4 (not IPv5 as MJ said above ), which is the current IP system we use now and is horrendously inefficient and insecure and small.

IPv4 allows for spoofing of packets, has a pretty large overhead in packet headers, and allows for roughly 4,162,314,256 simultaneous connections (this includes routers, switches, servers, clients, and anything that requires an address).

IPv6's infrastructure completely destroys the ability to spoof your location. Hackers now will always get caught, no matter what... which is very scary from a privacy standpoint as there will be no such thing as "anonymous proxies" anymore... the packet overhead is less, and will allow for roughly 268,535,866,540,096 simultaneous connections.

Beautiful.

However, converting to IPv6 is a huge job because as of now, much of the internet hardware is only IPv4 compatible, but with the advent of Windows XP (which contains IPv6 support by default) and as more consumers switch to v6 hardware, the change will be much easier.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
According to many sources, the internet is dead.. it will soon be replaced by a newe and improved internet which will be governement controled.

 

www.cnn.com
CEO Rich Notebaert, who once wrote an op-ed in the Journal saying the Internet is "dead," scoffed at the idea that Ameritech and other telephone companies "don't get it." And then he actually let it slip again -- I was just 15 feet away -- and said the Internet is "dead."

I am not making this up. "Dead."

Of course, maybe it depends on what the meaning of the word "dead" is.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

From what I understand is this.

The old internet, this one www, they will soon take this out let it get outdated and whatever.. Then take Internet 2 as its savor.

ALso from what I understand from other sources that this internet will be governemently controlled and will make it so places like this will not exist. They will not allow us to have aniti government type crap on there. and it will also be hooked into all kinda appliances...

I will add more on this but I will have to do more research on it before I comment more on it.

Related News Links:
www.forbes.com

[edit on 28-9-2004 by ThichHeaded]

[edit on 28-9-2004 by John bull 1]

I don't know if any of you are aware of it or not. But the original article being used as reference is 6 years and 1 day old

The web is going strong, email isn't going to stop anytime soon, usenet is completely uncontrollable, and now there is xml and rss feeds running all over the place. The internet is dead? The whole internet?

Probably wont happen, but big deal. I'll go get myself educated and learn to make computers do what i want them to do (aka "hack").
In the mean time i'll learn ham radio and maybe just meet some people in real life to exhcange ideas with.

Oh and i'll buy an encyclopedia and newspaper subscription.

Ok think about it for a second. Even IF, and that's a huge IF, one or more governments ditch the existing internet infrastructure, and replace it with a monitored and controlled one, how is that going to stop people creating their own privately run networks (ie: wireless) to talk about whatever they want, swap whatever files they want etc? You would have to setup devices to block radio transmissions to prevent wireless networks and that's never going to happen.

Take china for example. It tried to restrict content for it's residents...and within a few weeks from what I heard there were anonymous websites, proxy's, search engines etc that totally bypassed the servers china was using to control internet content.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
They will not allow us to have aniti government type crap on there. and it will also be hooked into all kinda appliances...

This is why you need to vote for libertarianism.
www.badnarik.org...

You need to stop allowing government to intervene in your life, you need to stop allowing them to push you around and dictate what you can and cannot do in this life. If you want sites like this up and running, a vote for kerry or bush isn't going to do the trick. More government is dangerous to your freedoms, and this is a perfect example. It's time to deflate the beast my friend.

This is a rumor that's been around forever. First it was worms, then an e-mail tax, then spam on Usenet that would make it unusable. Next came Canter and Seigle and the introduction of mass-mailing software. Then porn on the world wide web, then online gambling, then piracy.

The Internet, as we currently know it, will almost certainly change within our lifetimes. It will not, however, "die." For it to die, in the way that you fear, it would be necessary to eliminate the knowledge of internetworking protocols among the world's IT enthusiasts.

If the US Government "killed" the Internet tomorrow, local dialup BBSes would begin to re-emerge within a few days. Old institutions like Fidonet would begin to reappear within a few weeks. More permanant connections over dedicated T-1 lines (now much cheaper than at any time in the past) would show up in the months following the "murder of the Internet." These media of communication would not have to use the same protocols that "Internet2" does, there are enough very knowledgeable amateurs out there that new protocols, consistant with the original aim of the [academic] Internet could be developed. This new network would certainly be less accessible to the standard citizen, but that would change over time. Within 10 years, barring legal steps that would disallow internetworking protocols not explicitly authorized by the .gov, a usable alternative to Internet2 would be around and ready to use by the general public.

If you are honestly worried about the "death" of the Internet, I suggest that you make yourselves familiar with the technology behind it, as well as the older technology that it replaced, in case that eventuality comes to pass.

Look for a 911 to happen online first, THEN 'they' would step in.

How does China currently do it?