8 Ways the Media Doesn’t Understand Gun Owners.

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Originally posted by DaTroof
Guns are purchased with the intent to shoot.

Whether in murderous aggression, or "self defense", every gun is purchased with the intent to shoot. Therefore, those who wish to own guns wish to use guns. Make them illegal.

That is the worst reasoning on the topic that I've ever seen in print. Congratulations.You win the most irrational post award for the month of April!
Just caught it at the tail end!

For the record, I'm a gun owner and the only things I'd "wish" to shoot are waterfowl, some hogs, and maybe a deer if I feel like freezing my butt off next hunting season.
As for handguns, I very strongly "wish" to never have to use them against anything but a paper target at the range. Sometimes wishes don't come true which is why personal firearms are necessary to begin with.

edit on 30-4-2012 by pierregustavetoutant because: (no reason given)

you say you wish you never have to fire a handgun at anything other than a paper target. i wish i had 100 million pounds..... so basically if it came to it you would shoot a person. to me that is irrational. if you really feel so unsafe and threatened. move out of america. come stay here in england never have to worry about someone shooting you again. oh and you can still target shoot clay pigeons.

Originally posted by groingrinder
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Star and flag to the OP. God created men. Samuel Colt made them equal.

D'oh!
I hate when I screw up a quote.
Thanks for the correction.

Originally posted by UKmonster

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Originally posted by DaTroof
Guns are purchased with the intent to shoot.

Whether in murderous aggression, or "self defense", every gun is purchased with the intent to shoot. Therefore, those who wish to own guns wish to use guns. Make them illegal.

That is the worst reasoning on the topic that I've ever seen in print. Congratulations.You win the most irrational post award for the month of April!
Just caught it at the tail end!

For the record, I'm a gun owner and the only things I'd "wish" to shoot are waterfowl, some hogs, and maybe a deer if I feel like freezing my butt off next hunting season.
As for handguns, I very strongly "wish" to never have to use them against anything but a paper target at the range. Sometimes wishes don't come true which is why personal firearms are necessary to begin with.

edit on 30-4-2012 by pierregustavetoutant because: (no reason given)

you say you wish you never have to fire a handgun at anything other than a paper target. i wish i had 100 million pounds..... so basically if it came to it you would shoot a person. to me that is irrational. if you really feel so unsafe and threatened. move out of america. come stay here in england never have to worry about someone shooting you again. oh and you can still target shoot clay pigeons.

If that is what you call "rational" in England- No thanks, bloke!

Originally posted by UKmonster
you say you wish you never have to fire a handgun at anything other than a paper target. i wish i had 100 million pounds..... so basically if it came to it you would shoot a person. to me that is irrational. if you really feel so unsafe and threatened. move out of america. come stay here in england never have to worry about someone shooting you again. oh and you can still target shoot clay pigeons.

Seems to me that he's saying that if he absolutely had to use a firearm to defend his own life or that of his family, he would do so. I see nothing irrational about that. I think most of us would do the same using whatever means we had available at the time.

Originally posted by vor78

Originally posted by UKmonster
you say you wish you never have to fire a handgun at anything other than a paper target. i wish i had 100 million pounds..... so basically if it came to it you would shoot a person. to me that is irrational. if you really feel so unsafe and threatened. move out of america. come stay here in england never have to worry about someone shooting you again. oh and you can still target shoot clay pigeons.

Seems to me that he's saying that if he absolutely had to use a firearm to defend his own life or that of his family, he would do so. I see nothing irrational about that. I think most of us would do the same using whatever means we had available at the time.

Exactly what I mean, vor78.
Thanks for the clarification.
But yes, as fervently as I wish I may never have to use a firearm against another human, you can be sure I will to protect life, family, property.
As much as i WISH otherwise, there are folks out there with ill intentions and no value for life or for others in any way.
As for England, I'd actually love to visit. But wouldn't want to move there.

reply to post by DaTroof


.. What's wrong with shooting guns?

As long as your not harming innocent people, then shooting at paper targets or clays is perfectly fine..

reply to post by ConspiraCity


Agreed, and I think some people need to realize that a large percentage of gun owners made their purchase with the primary intent of using that gun for sporting purposes. Not that it matters, in my opinion, as I believe that self defense is as valid a reason to own one as any other.

Originally posted by DaTroof
Guns are purchased with the intent to shoot.

Whether in murderous aggression, or "self defense", every gun is purchased with the intent to shoot. Therefore, those who wish to own guns wish to use guns. Make them illegal.

With all due respect you must be a genius

i bite my tongue

Originally posted by SANTA CLAWS

Originally posted by DaTroof
Guns are purchased with the intent to shoot.

Whether in murderous aggression, or "self defense", every gun is purchased with the intent to shoot. Therefore, those who wish to own guns wish to use guns. Make them illegal.

With all due respect

you must be a genius

i bite my tongue

Ok,,, flame me.. da troof is da 3rd grade

My perspective is simple. I am a middle aged man with three children and a wife. It is my job to protect my family. I have never been in prison, arrested or ticketed for that matter. I have a college degree and am in Middle Management with a Fortune 50 company. Southern US born I owned my first .22 at twelve. I do not fear any man and I would kill anyone or anything that threatens the lives of my family, period. If the President of the U.S. deserves protection so does my family. My life has been dedicated to the protection and provision for my family. I do not need anyone’s permission or law, although I am a legal CWP holder. I stand by Country, my friends, and strangers in need, a gun is a tool they are owned by fools, heroes and, the common man and woman. Learn to use one safely and your perspective will change forever.

What I don't get about the pro-gun thing is: you can own guns! No one's stopping people from owning guns. They're simply asking you to register the guns and take responsibility for them. So what? We do quite rightly do that with cars - and no reason not to do it with guns.

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I know which episode that was. It was the Y2K episode where they go find the twinky factory and start over.
I think that was anti-gun propaganda but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by thebtheb
What I don't get about the pro-gun thing is: you can own guns! No one's stopping people from owning guns. They're simply asking you to register the guns and take responsibility for them. So what? We do quite rightly do that with cars - and no reason not to do it with guns.

I wouldn't go that far but, I could deffinitely agree with a first time buyer saftey course being mandatory. I have experience as a marksmanship instructor and that would give me a way to make more money. We have to go to hunters saftey courses before we can legally obtain a hunting liscence. I could deffinitely be on board for that.

Number 2 is my favorite it, because it shows the a lot of the media doesn't care about the actual truth they just want to write whatever sounds the scariest.

Anywho good read and I don't think theres much more to be said that the article already hasn't. S & F

I'll say one thing,I feel a heck of a lot safer and sleep good at night knowing there's millions of responsible gun owners in America. The U.S. Government wants guns banned for 1 reason and 1 reason only - So they can start their tyrannical power grab ultimately leading to their New World Order that they want so bad.



--- They'll never achieve their goal

I believe that people have the right to own guns, but I also believe in strict gun laws.

I recently had a friend announce that they are about to receive their CCW. My first thought was that I need to buy a gun to protect myself, because they letting people like him own a gun! I know each and every one of you has "that friend" which you know shouldn't own a gun.

I was in the military and feel vary comfortable carrying a loaded weapon. Guns makes it vary easy for anyone to inflict a serious amount of damage to another person in a short period of time. This make it easy for people to react before thinking. Using a gun also distances a person from the harm they are inflicting. They don't have to be up close and personal like with other weapons such as a knife. This is why I believe gun laws need to be strictly enforced.

I am not familiar with the rules for gun shows, but everyone should be required to have a background check before purchasing a gun. Without background checks anybody can buy a gun regardless of criminal history. If somebody can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check then we might as well throw all of the gun laws out the window.

- Styki

Most of my guns are collectors guns. i do have a hand gun for self defense and its the only one i shoot regularly so that i am ready of i have to use it. being a vietnam veteran and a ex federal security officer i would have no problem using it to protect my self or others.
Of my collectors gun there value has gone up between 100% to 800% and all have done better then the stock market.

One gun my father got for free. when he liberated it from a german officer during WW2 and is now worth over $2000.(Walther P38 Zero Series)is in my collection.

If you live in a state like Texas or AZ where its very easy to get a CCW you will find that gun crimes have dropped by 50% or more after they made it easy to get your CCW .

In states like the socialist state of Kaliforna where they have made it harder to get a CCW the rate of gun crimes has gone up.

Many of the gun crimes are done by people that are banned from owning guns. felons gang members. drug users. illegal aliens.

reply to post by pierregustavetoutant


Uh, excuse me sir,? I believe that was Samual Colt? Samuel Colt , sir,made all men equal....Smith and Wesson, m,ere imperadors...mountebanks of pistolry....
Now John Browning ( All Hail!)creator of modern weaponry basically.....especially handguns......but shotguns, and rifles, and even machine guns ...... all kinds.
Old Hiram maxim couldnt hold a candle to that mind....
Those who do not understand that these are good given rights need make the readjustment.....no congress senate or following goverment may ever take these rights.....they appertain to all men.....

reply to post by DaTroof


What if I buy a gun with the intent interior design? Never bought ammo for it? Never loaded it once? Because the intent was to spice up my living room? toilet door? What was the intent again?

Originally posted by Styki

I am not familiar with the rules for gun shows, but everyone should be required to have a background check before purchasing a gun. Without background checks anybody can buy a gun regardless of criminal history. If somebody can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check then we might as well throw all of the gun laws out the window.

- Styki

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I know of two cases in Calif where identity theft were used to buy guns.

since 27.3 million Americans have been victims of identity theft in the last five years, including 9.9 million people in the last year alone.
new gun laws will not stop this. but stronger laws against identity theft can slow it down.
the state of calif (nor any other state)does not even cross check known identity theft cases against gun buyers.

if some one gets your drivers license information and has a good grade counterfeit DL made in your name with THERE photo there is a very good chance that they can buy a gun in your name. and you would never know.

I know you are thinking they should have a special ID for buying guns,
if they can used your DL to buy a gun now what is to keep them from getting ether a fake copy of your gun card or DL and getting a gun card in your name.

There are NO IDs issued in the US that can not be counterfeited and NO way to make one.

And the US public will no allow the government to create a data base to allow a good system.

do not expect the government to try to stop criminal from buying guns using identity theft .

the government wants criminals to be able to get guns. if the criminal gets caught they go to jail and if the criminal shoots someone the government can use it as a reason to grab guns.

this has already be seen in the operation fast and furious where the government allowed criminals to buy guns to send to mexico and where there have been almost NO arrests while most of the guns got across the border like the government planned them to.