Engineering professor raises doubts about jet crash that killed Poland's president

There is no motive for this attack at all and if there was, even if they did it, Russia would not be the one with the motive, perhaps some other party ordered the attack and Russia, having intimate knowledge of the plane, would carry it out.

People who think that the Russian government would kill the president of Poland over the Katyn incident are delusional, they only kill for money and to keep dissenters down (Russia has one of the highest incineration and policeman to citizen rations in the world). They are more interesting in killing whats left of their own people rather than some sort of international reputation

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No brown stuff sherlock.............the video and sound of gunshots in the woods not to mention that no country herds every single major leader onto one plane and then that plane "crashes".

Like most sheeple, I did this tread and got flamed - and now everyone begins to question it??????

A dollar short.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You don't play along with TPTB and you end up dead and replaced...............that is how it is worked now.

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what is the landscape like? is it hilly?? or flat plains?

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This is the crash site - the terrain looks relatively flat with small trees. The tree they claim sheared off the wing was 30-40 cm in diameter, about 11 to 15 inches. I've been curious why they were so vague on the tree size, you'd think they'd have the exact size of the tree that did the deed. Binienda's report contends the wing would have lopped off the tree upon impact and not been sheared off like they claim. Contrast that with the 9/11 Pentagon crash where the plane lopped off several stout metal light poles before impacting the building, no wings were sheared off then, or so they would have us believe.

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"It's absolutely impossible that the wing sheared and then it crashed the way [government investigators] described," Binienda told The Plain Dealer in his first U.S. interview.

"We try to show that hasty judgment has been made, and the case should be re-opened and re-examined properly, without any conflicts of interest," said Mateusz Kochanowski, a spokesman for European Conservatives and Reformists, or ECR.

Not sure there's any conspiracy here so much as simple incompetence on the part of the Russian "investigators". I imagine they just wanted to explain it away as quickly as possible and get back to getting hammered on Vodka. Despite their crappy and inaccurate findings there is still probably a conventional explanation for the accident.

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that shows me nothing sorry, have you got a wider view of the landscape? maybe topographical terrain maps?

if the speed of the aircraft was high enough than the sheared off wing could have flown a long distance before coming to a rest.

the dense fog could have hidden otherwise visibly large structures, however the aircraft should have terrain warnings unless it was prepared to land already.

sounds like a common pilot error so far.

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That's the only pic I have, it does show the precise spot the plane crashed though, but sadly it's not a wide-angle view of the area. It doesn't look heavily forested, and the description of the area is of small trees and brush.

You may feel confident in saying it was "pilot error" but the official story isn't jiving with crash site evidence and analysis by experts like Binienda.

there was alot of important people on that single airplane.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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That's the only pic I have, it does show the precise spot the plane crashed though, but sadly it's not a wide-angle view of the area. It doesn't look heavily forested, and the description of the area is of small trees and brush.

You may feel confident in saying it was "pilot error" but the official story isn't jiving with crash site evidence and analysis by experts like Binienda.

how is he an expert? he is an engineering professor, that does not make him an expert

an expert is somebody who has been mathematically modeling and investigating aircraft crashes for over 30 years

Fascinating thread, I was completely unaware of that video that was posted or any of this information. Starred and flagged.

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but trying to land without guidance in dense fog is asking for trouble.

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but trying to land without guidance in dense fog is asking for trouble.

Isn't instrument landing a requirement for pilots - especially military pilots? And why wouldn't the airport controller warn them of the fog (if it were so dangerous) so they could land at another location?

But as far as Binienda's report is concerned, he wasn't debating whether it was foggy or whether the pilot was incompetent, he was analyzing the wing and crash debris and concluding that a tree would never have sheared it off, and if it had, it would never have wound up where it did.

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All signs point to Putin?

Who else but?

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instrument landings work for ILS guided airports only.. i am not sure if this airport is equipped with it.

but even with ILS approaches if the fog is dense enough the airport will close.. however that is for civilian flights, military have their own rules.

Originally posted by SavedOne
Not sure there's any conspiracy here so much as simple incompetence on the part of the Russian "investigators".

The Polish investigators reached the same conclusion.
The Russian investigators had two US organizations working with them.

On a related note, Wikileaks – 'Russia tried to prevent Kaczynski landing in Smolensk'.


I'm not a specialist, but couldn't the wing break some metres after hitting the tree?

PS: if anyone knows Polish, here's a report made by the Polish Supreme Audit Office.

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Missle defense shield? Allies with the US?

CJ

heres some links for those of us who need a recap of the events surrounding this case.
Polish prosecutor 'shoots self after news conference

and

Polish prosecutor Mikolaj Przybyl says he shot himself at press conference to expose government corruption

on searching ats i came across this recent thread Poland Exposes Secert CIA Prison
it may or may not have something to do with the plane crash. i just found it interesting and thought i should link it,

im just looking for any changes since the accident.

Poland's UFO files go missing

Originally posted by DarkElvis
The Polish government "lost" those files and nine months later this happens:

news.yahoo.com...

Polish leader, 95 others dead in Russia jet crash

MOSCOW – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country's highest military and civilian leaders died on Saturday when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia, killing 96, officials said.

Russian and Polish officials said there were no survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre in Katyn forest of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

The crash devastated the upper echelons of Poland's political and military establishments. On board were the army chief of staff, national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers, the Polish foreign ministry said.

(The rest of the story is on the link above)

Could this be related?

now ill go and see if anything has changed with their decision on the swine flue vaccines. hopefully ill be back with some info.