Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

Originally posted by Lionhearte
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

That's a very nice story, and I really appreciated your input

I'm not entirely certain on your theory, or rather, it seems like it would lead into so many others - for example, if Nature knew that the population would overpopulate, it would have to know - 1) how many people were on this planet 2) how big this planet is 3) the necessary resources that are available to us 4) it would need to "communicate" with other organisms across the world 5) it would need it's own consciousness to make an active decision to "cut off" our growth. All of these are really fascinated, but they are assumptions nonetheless :\

Also, I really enjoyed that pun

Yes, this would imply some kind of....inteligent design, prehaps? Is this a theory which would be supported by the bible?

To be honest, I don't know what I'm proposing with that theory, maybe nature is intelligent, and life is a whole lot more intricate than we could ever dream. Who knows, I guess we'll find out upon our demise. And going from what I've learned on that, from listening to people who have been there and back, there's nothing to worry about. There is no judgment, only love. The only judgment we have, is that which we cast on ourselves. Everything is perfect just the way it is.

yep let's pretend the first and main point is 1 in 10 people are "born" left handed,

just as 1 in 10 people are "born" gay.

fix? if it aint broken, why fix it? the abortion analogy makes no sense at all because its the BREEDERS that are fornicating, making babies left and right they can't raise properly, or even feed not the gays.

the world population fit in texas? lol heck yeah lets pretend China and India aren't throwing their babies out the car on the highways to get rid of them because of vast overpopulation yet lets cram the world into texas and sing delusionally sing halelujah praise the Lord.

I don't personally believe that homosexuality is purely binary; as in, a person is either born gay or straight. I tend to view it in terms of a sliding scale, or a spectrum.

So it would be more correct, perhaps, to say that someone is "60% gay," or "80%" gay, than to simply refer to them as being gay outright. That also explains how you can see scenarios where homosexual men will sometimes have wives or girlfriends, and might even have children. If they were maximally or completely homosexual, they probably wouldn't be able to tolerate doing that.

As with most things, environment also plays a role. The degree of social acceptability of homosexuality in an individual's environment will have some influence on how actively homosexual they are.

Not every homosexual individual is completely honest when they claim belief that they have no choice over their orientation. While they will say that publically, attempted conversion of heterosexuals can and does occur. There are some homosexual people in existence who view heterosexuality as completely illegitimate, and believe that literally everyone who isn't actively gay, is in the closet.

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Lionhearte
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Also, I really enjoyed that pun

Yes, this would imply some kind of....inteligent design, prehaps? Is this a theory which would be supported by the bible?

I believe in intelligent design, but where I feel that Christians are incorrect, is in terms of their view of God as a singular being. Nature operates as a decentralised, distributed intelligence. If you look at the word Elohim in the Old Testament, it implies plurality, not singularity. God is a "we," or a "they;" not a "he," or a "she."

reply to post by petrus4


I'd agree with that too to a certain extent, sexuality can be very fluid for some people, not fixed to one thing nor the other. And while I don't find ladies attractive sexually, I am fascinated by boobs. *shrugs* I dunno, it's a funny old world.

The same way a heterosexual is 'born that way'.

Does it matter?

reply to post by Garfee


If you are not interested in discussing the topic, why bother posting at all?

On topic. I am pretty sure I was born hetero, I was just always interested in the opposite sex, even before I was sexually attracted to them.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Garfee

 

If you are not interested in discussing the topic, why bother posting at all?

I am pretty sure I was born hetero, I was just always interested in the opposite sex, even before I was sexually attracted to them.

I'm pretty sure I weighed in. What's your problem mate?

Again, Nature vs nurture studies have all proven homosexuality isn't someone learned, but has an organic basis in the brain development before we are even born.

Homosexuality - as in the orientation, not the behaviour - is innate and even has to do with the fact that all human embryos start off female and about 10% of the time testosterone doesn't masculinize the brain or body fully, so 1 in 10 guys turns out homosexual (the underlying orientation, not necessarily the behavior which is often closet marriage/fathering to fit in, etc) - globally.

the same thing happens for lefties, it is just a product of diversity in our fetal development and for the majority (heterosexuals) to feel superior and distract themselves from their own problems of forniction, adultery, etc is just a self-servient sacrilege of the Scriptures to quell one's own demons.

Originally posted by MaryStillToe
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Everyone should be aware that there is no conclusive scientific evidence that links sexual preference to genetics.

I have a friend who was a biology major with a concentration in genetics who tried to convince me otherwise. He resents me to this day because I revealed that all of the scientific studies he tried to offer as "PROOF" were all inconclusive.

Prefrences are psychological, not biological. The day we find a gene that determines sexual preference, is the day we have to admit that humans do not have any type of freewill or choice.

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And every study that tries to prove that sexual preferences are psychological are inconclusive as well. We do not have a definitive answer as to why homosexuals are that way. Why does a child in a family of 5 children end up gay, when none of the other children do, despite being raised in the same home by the same parents? How does a child show gay tendencies before they even begin to develop sexually? The truth is, we don't really know for sure. I have had gay people tell me that they knew they were different by the time they were 5 years old. Does that mean they were 5 when they became different, or does it just mean they were 5 when they were old enough to realize they were different? And the gays I know were never abused as children; they had a strong and loving father influence all their lives. So what caused them to exercise their free will to be gay?

My question to you is, could you use your free will to be a homosexual for a while? I don't mean just have homosexual sex -- I mean use your free will to actually be attracted to someone of the same sex. I know I couldn't do it. No matter how much I tried. I guess that means I don't really have free will. I am attracted to those of the opposite sex, and I can't change that. I could engage in homosexual sex, but my heart wouldn't be in it.

reply to post by Garfee


Eh don't mind me. It looked like you were doing the classic dismissal of the topic that happens all the time in this section. One liners and all that.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Once more, trying to figure out why we are here implies that there is something wrong with us. There have always been gay people, at about the same percentage in humans as other species. The zoo in my city even has lesbian giraffes.

There isn't anything wrong with us. Some religions nights say there is, some insecure people probably wish there was, but not so. I play football, watch sports, and do all of the thing a straight guy would. Sure I knit, but so does my father!

reply to post by kaylaluv

My question to you is, could you use your free will to be a homosexual for a while? I don't mean just have homosexual sex -- I mean use your free will to actually be attracted to someone of the same sex. I know I couldn't do it. No matter how much I tried. I guess that means I don't really have free will. I am attracted to those of the opposite sex, and I can't change that. I could engage in homosexual sex, but my heart wouldn't be in it.

That's prettymuch what does it for me there. I know I didn't choose my attraction, and I know I couldn't make myself be attracted to dudes. It's just not there. I don't see why gay people's attraction would be any different.

reply to post by dorkfish87


Not really. I wonder why I am here all the time, I am pretty sure there is nothing major wrong with me. It's just the way my mind ticks, I was born that way.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Garfee

 

Eh don't mind me. It looked like you were doing the classic dismissal of the topic that happens all the time in this section. One liners and all that.

Nah, I was just saying - quite lazily and with a 'tone', I'll admit - that it doesn't matter how homosexuals are homosexual or heterosexuals are heterosexuals and all the others in between the same. Just that they are.

According to nature, humans are not born gay. It has absolutely no place in "nature". It would be like a human being born with a body that needs to breathe carbon dioxide to survive instead of oxygen.

However, society has conditioned us to adapt to a world that is very removed from our natural, basic instincts. People use cars as their main method of getting around. This practice is as far removed from nature's plan as you can get - yet it is totally accepted in a society.

Homosexuality is developed at a young age much the same way heterosexuality is developed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with either lifestyle. Everybody has urges and wants companionship. Why do people care what other people do when it comes to sex?

We have a lot of giddy 5th graders who blush at boobs trying to demonize sex to try and make those awkward goosebumps go away fast!
I would suggest instead we just become adults and stop thinking about other peoples sex lives to the point where you treat them unfairly - do not provide them the right to marry, etc...

Hey I got a better question, how was Jesus "born that way"

Originally posted by dorkfish87
reply to post by BiggerPicture

 

Once more, trying to figure out why we are here implies that there is something wrong with us. There have always been gay people, at about the same percentage in humans as other species. The zoo in my city even has lesbian giraffes.

There isn't anything wrong with us. Some religions nights say there is, some insecure people probably wish there was, but not so. I play football, watch sports, and do all of the thing a straight guy would. Sure I knit, but so does my father!

So trying to find the "missing link" from homo erectus to homo sapiens means there's something wrong with us?
(ie, fusion of chromosomes 1 and 2)

Can you reference any of your claims? ie, the trying to find means something wrong, and animals being 10% "homosexual". (aside from some local long neck lesbians).

I forgot to add that you most likely don't believe in reincarnation or its theories, teachings from great masters of oriental theosophy.

The theory goes this way - everyone is born and re-born many many times. Our spirit is eternal and always has been. When my spirit is not incarnated in the flesh I await Great Spirit's timing and rules about rebirth.

The rules are that I must choose to be the next incarnation that Great Spirit offers to me. I must choose to be born to certain parents, to be a certain sex, to have certain sexual preferences, to have certain relatives, to have certain desires to fulfill, to be certain roles in order to attain spiritual perfection through learning the lessons that life affords but which I had failed to learn in previous lifetimes. I even have to agree to the date of my birth that Great Spirit chooses for me.

Some of us must learn to be the eternal aunt or uncle who helps the core family by babysitting, providing extra food for our family's children, by learning to take care of mother and father until their passing, by being the one to be there when family needs our help. These are all conditions of reincarnation that we agree to before we are sent back to this plane of existence.

Being homosexual is just one side of the face of God.

The genetic predisposition to be gay or homosexual provides society with built in help for the family, built in help for the flamboyance of the gay to color the world around them with beauty and tolerance through love. We are all children of one family - 500 billion years on one planet and we are all recycled dinosaur poop - thank God some of us are humane humans.

I find that some people are less than humane! It takes many circles for the wheels to go around the cycles of life on this planet with the multitude of creatures who live here. Bees, bats, insects pollinate the plants, earthworms chew up the dirt for the plants, rain falls to water the plants, the sun shines so plants have energy, plants grow to feed herbivores, herbivores live for omnivores and carnivores. Death is just one part of the cycles of life.

The elite powers exist to make the 99% eventually realize our own humanity and maybe teach humanity to the elite but all things die - ALL THINGS DIE - to make way for the next level of existence.

If and when TPTB start a WWIII - humans will most likely cease to exist - if the radiation from Fukushima doesn't kill us first. If the Aliens of the cosmos come to save us from ourselves or to eat us - we are all going to die anyway - it is the cycle of life and there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

If humans are meant to pass into the night and cease to exist - it will happen because Great Spirit has chosen this path for us.

Free will enters into the equation when each of us decides to honor Great Spirit's offerings to us for living and dying. It looks like a sort of predetermined destiny with a lack of free will but you see you could tell Great Spirit - "I choose to no longer play your game." What are the consequences of that choice I do not know! Maybe we just take a number and wait for a millennium to pass in limbo!

Peace!

Originally posted by Salamandy
According to nature, humans are not born gay.

It would be like a human being born with a body that needs to breathe carbon dioxide to survive instead of oxygen.

The ANALogies just keep getting..

more REASONABLE