Ron Paul wins Louisiana

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival

I have demonstrated how Mitt Romney is a RACIST...with FACTS

This is a Ron Paul thread. If you want to have a discussion about Romney's religion, you should probably find another thread.

I didn't introduce the idea, someone else did. But it is relevant because the only other candidate
in the republican race is Mitt Romney...and he is demonstrably racist by virtue of his Mormon religion
which is racist.

Guilt by association, the degrees of Kevin Bacon game.
Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution, therefore he is religious and takes responsibillity for all the bad acts committed in the name of religion, including whatever mormons do.
Easy game to play.

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival
Mitt Romney is a documented RACIST....

Name one act of omission or comission that marks Romney as a racist individual. I mean something that he did or said, not your opinion about his religion.

It is not an opinion about his religion...It is documented.

Mormons believe the Negro race are the fallen descendants of Cain (who slew Abel)
and are cursed by god to be SERVANTS for the rest of eternity,

Mitt Romney is a MORMON

Name one thing that he did or said himself. We already know your opinion on mormonism (and don't care). Religious dogma is trivial compared to what a person actually does and says.

So how come when people Ron Paul was involved with do something that would be out of character for Ron Paul, you make a big deal out of it, but when people Romney is involved with (his religion) do something that would be out of character for Romney, it's only "trivial"?
By your same logic we can safely ignore the newsletters because Paul hasn't said or done anything remotely racist.
Have fun eating your words with this post, hypocrite.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival
Mitt Romney is a documented RACIST....

Name one act of omission or comission that marks Romney as a racist individual. I mean something that he did or said, not your opinion about his religion.

It is not an opinion about his religion...It is documented.

Mormons believe the Negro race are the fallen descendants of Cain (who slew Abel)
and are cursed by god to be SERVANTS for the rest of eternity,

Mitt Romney is a MORMON

Name one thing that he did or said himself. We already know your opinion on mormonism (and don't care). Religious dogma is trivial compared to what a person actually does and says.

So how come when people Ron Paul was involved with do something that would be out of character for Ron Paul, you make a big deal out of it, but when people Romney is involved with (his religion) do something that would be out of character for Romney, it's only "trivial"?
By your same logic we can safely ignore the newsletters because Paul hasn't said or done anything remotely racist.
Have fun eating your words with this post, hypocrite.

edit on 5/1/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

Didn't you learn from the last election?
Obama sat in the pew but he didn't listen. Obama made it clear for all that what is said or done at a church don't matter in US politics.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival
Mitt Romney is a documented RACIST....

Name one act of omission or comission that marks Romney as a racist individual. I mean something that he did or said, not your opinion about his religion.

It is not an opinion about his religion...It is documented.

Mormons believe the Negro race are the fallen descendants of Cain (who slew Abel)
and are cursed by god to be SERVANTS for the rest of eternity,

Mitt Romney is a MORMON

Name one thing that he did or said himself. We already know your opinion on mormonism (and don't care). Religious dogma is trivial compared to what a person actually does and says.

So how come when people Ron Paul was involved with do something that would be out of character for Ron Paul, you make a big deal out of it, but when people Romney is involved with (his religion) do something that would be out of character for Romney, it's only "trivial"?
By your same logic we can safely ignore the newsletters because Paul hasn't said or done anything remotely racist.
Have fun eating your words with this post, hypocrite.

edit on 5/1/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

Not at all. We are talking about Ron Paul's close personal associates, not merely his co-religionists. And you are also ignoring the distinction I drew between actions and religious dogmas. I don't consider Ron Paul culpable for the all the crimes and absurdities carried out in the name of christianity, even though he subscribes to its tenets. And you ertainly won't find me quoting the bible or the pope to justify my opinions about him.

"Paul hasn't said or done anything remotely racist." The newsletters, duh.

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival
Mitt Romney is a documented RACIST....

Name one act of omission or comission that marks Romney as a racist individual. I mean something that he did or said, not your opinion about his religion.

It is not an opinion about his religion...It is documented.

Mormons believe the Negro race are the fallen descendants of Cain (who slew Abel)
and are cursed by god to be SERVANTS for the rest of eternity,

Mitt Romney is a MORMON

Name one thing that he did or said himself. We already know your opinion on mormonism (and don't care). Religious dogma is trivial compared to what a person actually does and says.

So how come when people Ron Paul was involved with do something that would be out of character for Ron Paul, you make a big deal out of it, but when people Romney is involved with (his religion) do something that would be out of character for Romney, it's only "trivial"?
By your same logic we can safely ignore the newsletters because Paul hasn't said or done anything remotely racist.
Have fun eating your words with this post, hypocrite.

edit on 5/1/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

"Paul hasn't said or done anything remotely racist." The newsletters, duh.

Except he didn't write the newsletters, as people smarter than you already figured out years ago, so once again you're just pandering on the same anti-Paul propaganda points, probably in hope of reaching your quota for the day.
You know you've hit a low when you're using material even the media doesn't use to bash Paul with anymore.

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by rival
Mitt Romney is a documented RACIST....

Name one act of omission or comission that marks Romney as a racist individual. I mean something that he did or said, not your opinion about his religion.

It is not an opinion about his religion...It is documented.

Mormons believe the Negro race are the fallen descendants of Cain (who slew Abel)
and are cursed by god to be SERVANTS for the rest of eternity,

Mitt Romney is a MORMON

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Name one thing that he did or said himself. We already know your opinion on mormonism (and don't care). Religious dogma is trivial compared to what a person actually does and says.
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It is not my opinion that Mitt Romney's religion is racist...IT IS FACT

Religious dogma is never trivial to the question of character...though I will cede you actions
are louder than words....(even printed words, in some situations)

But Romney has said, in response to the question of Mormonism being racist...and I quote,

"...I love my faith...I'm not going to distance myself from my faith in any way."

Okay, so I replied to your question, what about my question....?

Which Republican candidate do you support?

RP said he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act. It doesn't matter what his excuse would be for not voting for it, if you don't support the Civil Rights Act that means you supported the status quo which was racist.

RP did not vote for MLK day.

You only needed one but there are two to go hand in hand with his Newsletters, that he was editor of, had his name on, and made millions over the years from, That he changed his story on three times and admitted to lieing about his involvement by the advice of his adviser. Mismanagement and lieing, those are bad enough qualities to disqualify him from being voted for at the voting booth by individuals, the underlying racism is not even needed.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
RP said he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act. It doesn't matter what his excuse would be for not voting for it, if you don't support the Civil Rights Act that means you supported the status quo which was racist.

RP did not vote for MLK day.

You only needed one but there are two to go hand in hand with his Newsletters, that he was editor of, had his name on, and made millions over the years from, That he changed his story on three times and admitted to lieing about his involvement by the advice of his adviser. Mismanagement and lieing, those are bad enough qualities to disqualify him from being voted for at the voting booth by individuals, the underlying racism is not even needed.

Your facts are incorrect and misleading, and since apparently being a liar disqualifies someone from being voted, tell me which candidate you support and I'll bet $500 real dollars that your candidate has lied over 20 times as much as Ron Paul has. If it's Romney or Obama you may as well give me $500 right now before you make me laugh attempting to defend their countless lies. That doesn't leave very many candidates left, does it?

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He's not lying, you just happen to agree with RP's reasoning..

As for the number of lies, that's not REALLY the point, is it...RP fans hold him up as the "other"... an almost super-human god-like saviour.

That's a wildly different standard than, "your candidate lies just as much as mine".

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reply to post by bl4ke360


Just take a look at his sig, just research the man - tells you all you need to know where TP is coming from. Likely could be said of a few of the individuals in this thread. They like to throw the cult word around, well - they belong to one themselves, and that is Obama.

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More BS.

I wish the Paultards could get it through their head that lots of people aren't supporters of Obama AND don't like Ron Paul. They are mutually exclusive feelings for many of us.

It's a total cop-out, intellectually, to just lump all non-Paultards are Obama fans. We aren't.

Luckily for America, Paul hasn't got a chance in hell of getting the nod, so it's not a big deal. In the future, if you do support a candidate with a chance of winning, you'll need to differentiate between opponents of your candidate and supporters of his rival, if you hope to influence anyone.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Luckily for America, Paul hasn't got a chance in hell of getting the nod

Then why are you wasting your time and our time by trying to discredit him if he isn't a threat?

reply to post by bl4ke360


A) It's no more of a waste than anything else on ATS
B) He's not a threat as he's unelectable, nationally, no matter the delusions of his fanatics
C) Why? Because his ideas, his ideology is fundamentally wrong-minded and dangerous

So, I don't see him as a threat, as a Presidential candidate, but I do see a very real threat to America, if people believe his rhetoric and believe that his ideas are legitimate.

He's the classic wolf in sheep's clothing candidate. His concept of freedom is, as many have said, including Chomsky, tyranny of the business elites.... he won't have a chance to pursue them at a national level, but others may fashion themselves after him... and that's dangerous to America.

So no, not scared of him, not trying to discredit him as a candidate, but I will argue against two things:

- His electability - as that's a ridiculous delusion
- His ideology - as it's un-American and dangerous for everyone, but the top .0001 percent of American elites.

I'm a Ron Paul fan. My best friend supports Romney. We both oppose Obama. I've told him I'm voting for Ron Paul no matter what. He's getting the picture, as are many Romney supporters, that Romney can't win, because there are too many of us who consider Obama and Romney as puppets for Goldmans Sachs and big Wall Street interests.

This is why the turn out for Romney is so weak at speeches and conventions. Romney supporters know their guy can't win.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious


- His ideology - as it's un-American and dangerous for everyone, but the top .0001 percent of American elites.

LOL at "un-American", you can't be serious. He's the only pro-American candidate, as he's the only one who actually values the constitution and wants to put the power back into the peoples' hands as opposed to the government. You obviously have no idea what he stands for if you make the argument he's "un-American". What a joke of a post. As far as him being dangerous, tell me what's so dangerous about not wanting to pick fights with every country on the planet, and shifting the nation-building agenda into strengthening our own country's defenses?
Doesn't sound anywhere near dangerous to me, only logical. Logic must be un-American to you as well I assume?

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious


- His ideology - as it's un-American and dangerous for everyone, but the top .0001 percent of American elites.

LOL at "un-American", you can't be serious. He's the only pro-American candidate, as he's the only one who actually values the constitution and wants to put the power back into the peoples' hands as opposed to the government. You obviously have no idea what he stands for if you make the argument he's "un-American". What a joke of a post. As far as him being dangerous, tell me what's so dangerous about not wanting to pick fights with every country on the planet, and shifting the nation-building agenda into strengthening our own country's defenses?
Doesn't sound anywhere near dangerous to me, only logical. Logic must be un-American to you as well I assume?

You're just parroting crap without understanding it.

Ron Paul's views on the constitution are not the only views out there. In fact they are seen as wildly unreasonable by many actual constitutional scholars (And you'd know this if you paid attention).

Paul, when he ran as a Libertarian, believed that the US should not have any public schools. That is to me, and to many, an un-American view. Paul also believes that businesses should replace pretty much all government services, which would, as we see with healthcare, leave many people without access to the basic things they require to "pursue happiness".

You may disagree with me, but it's incorrect to think your understanding of the constitution, as learned from Paul, is the absolute truth.

You think I disagree with his "foreign policy"; I do, but it's not my concern; his belief in the complete deregulation of business; his willingness to allow corporate monopolies; his desire to de-fund pretty much every good thing the government does, in order to pursue a ridiculous ideology; these are the things that are dangerous and un-American.

Watch this all the way through...

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Reading comprehension 101....a little lesson for you.

My post referred to TP, and the other individual spouting leftest propaganda, DrEugeneFixer. Who already stated he was an Obama supporter. As to you, don't really care that you don't like Ron Paul - I imagine there are millions who don't like him either....Republicans, Democrats - lovers of big government and the status quo. Where you fit in all of that, don't know and really, with your system is broke can't fit it attitude, who cares.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

Reading comprehension 101....a little lesson for you.

My post referred to TP, and the other individual spouting leftest propaganda, DrEugeneFixer. Who already stated he was an Obama supporter. As to you, don't really care that you don't like Ron Paul - I imagine there are millions who don't like him either....Republicans, Democrats - lovers of big government and the status quo. Where you fit in all of that, don't know and really, with your system is broke can't fit it attitude, who cares.

First, you may have been responding to a single person, but you then choose to exand your post to talk in generalities

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by bl4ke360

 

Just take a look at his sig, just research the man - tells you all you need to know where TP is coming from. Likely could be said of a few of the individuals in this thread. They like to throw the cult word around, well - they belong to one themselves, and that is Obama.

I think you should consider that, once you paint with such a broad brush, people other than the person you responded to are going to get involved in the conversation.

As for the claim you make, that I have a, "your system is broke can't fit it... who cares" attitude, well that's just BS. First off, I'm an American, so it's MY system as well as yours. More importantly, that's not my attitude. I simply don't believe that replacing democracy with business is a reasonable solution.

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I didn't really need links. The things that I told you about Dr. Paul, and the Fed are easy to search for.

That's fine by me though. People that think this is just about a presidency are close minded and delusional. You guys really can't see what's happening and a lot of us delight in that.