What was it that woke you up?

I've been lurking here for sometime now and just recently posted my first thread that died a quick and merciful death. I would say as far as conspiracy theories goes I'm still a bit of a newbie, although I'm deep into the political escapades going on right now.

I've watched the bickering and trolling and have thrown up my hands in disgust more times than I can count as I scrolled through threads. I get caught up into the same things on occasion. I've made more than a few posts in threads I'm less than proud of, but right or wrong, I speak my mind. Most are ignored, a few thoroughly destroyed, and a rare few liked. I've read posts that have totally blown me away and I've read some that make me want to vomit, sometimes by the same person. WTF?!? LOL The discussions here are what keep me coming back and for that I thank you all. Just wanted to say that first.

Anyway to my point. Since I've started on my journey into the world of conspiracies, I've woken a few friends to the possibilities and usually their inquisitive nature takes over. Recently however, it seems as if more and more people are drawing back into their shell, so to speak, and ignoring the glaring evidence right there for all to see. No, I don't go on conspiracy rants with anyone other than my wife and she just laughs at me usually. That's the hardest one to bear. That one came about in my defunct thread, which may be updated this weekend.

When that one hit me, quite honestly it was a bit devastating. If I can't even wake up my own wife to something I must be doing something wrong. That's when it slapped me right between the eyes! What do we do when the alarm goes off and we want ten more minutes of sleep? We hit the snooze button. Duh, simple right? So out of boredom at work, over the course of a week, I reviewed and realized I've overslept.

When I was 15, I was dating a young lady and one evening things progressed as they usually do when two horny teens are left alone for an extended period of time. At some point during our explorations (I'm trying to explain and be tactful) she dug her fingernails into my arm and froze. This poor girl peed the bed, that was when I realized she wasn't paying attention to me at all anymore. I turned around, and I remember thinking that her daddy had a collection of shotguns. Right there between the bed and the wall was a little boy on a old fashioned wooden rocking horse, and I swear you could see through him. It just disappeared, no slow fade out, nothing, just gone.

I'll admit I was kinda freaked. She and I did some research and according to local history a little boy was killed in the house around the time of the siege of Richmond. I told my mom about it later on. That was a mistake, suddenly I was in a shrinks office for several years of 'therapy', subjected to a battery of tests (clean bill of health), and finally medication. Instead of asking why they were so quick to shove pills down my throat (as a juvenile you really don't have the right to refuse medication) I merely hit the snooze button and went back to sleep.

Things were never really the same after that, however. I had been involved in athletics, my friends suddenly didn't want anything to do with me. I grew more distant from people, college didn't work out, the military was a bad fit at the time (SOMEWHERE along the line I had developed issues with authority figures. Imagine that!)

Now don't get me wrong, I was never a very well adjusted child to begin with, I'd had a very rough life. I grew older and eventually grew up (kinda). Reading has always been my favorite hobby, sometimes its nice to slip off to middle earth or explore the thoughts of the founding fathers or investigate the history of Greece. A friend had tipped me off to a Michael Crichton book, "State of Fear" and I eagerly began to devour the story. By the end of it I was checking out the resources he had listed and began doing some investigation on my own. Its been a hell of a ride since I can tell you that.

As you can see I was 'accidentally' pushed down this rabbit hole. Although my friend has taken a different path in life I still thank him for that push, and if I ever see him again I'm gonna punch him for the aggravation he has caused me over the past six years or so with that little push. Then I'm gonna buy him a beer for the same reason.

I must have wished a thousand times that I hadn't picked up that damned book, but I did and now I can't go back to sleep. I apologize, this has become a bit longer than I intended or expected. This was my experience, and I know that this thread has been done before, but its Saturday night, the wife is asleep, and I'm toasty and looking to chat.

Finally the QUESTION!!!!

What was your waking up experience and has it changed you as profoundly as it has changed me?

peace

"Why, Oh why didn't I take the blue pill?"

reply to post by RichardA


I was walking my dog in the park and I saw a used condom. And a few feet after that some used syringes and a works kit.

And I thought, why would someone use a condom and then share needles?

My mind raced back in time to 9/11, and then back to Oklahoma city.

Suddenly everything became clear.

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Depends on the level of awareness.
Was it when I was 9 years old and wondered why Nixon,when I met him personally,the president wore so much makeup.
That was before watergate.
Was it when I read the Chariots of the Gods when I was 15 years old?
Was it last year when the birds died in Beebe,Arkansas when I joined this site?

It was after I have been here for a year,that is when I truly woke up.


Peace

When my parents met near the end of WWII, they bought a fifteen book encyclopedia. I learned from it until I was twenty. With the books came a small set of twelve thin coffee table type books. Each one depicted a day in the life of a child about my age who lived in a foreign country.
Going about their chores and studies. Just living their lives.
I read these books over and over again. These twelve children became dear to me. I liked them. I felt for them.
Their lives were very different from mine but in many ways very similar.
I developed empathy for them.

reply to post by wonhunlo


I tried to be brief and not involve all the things I considered over the last week or so. These were the two things that should have woken me up but there were a thousand other clues.

It was actually the book that began me on this journey, the rest of it I see now in hindsight. If you would like to discuss something within the framework of this thread please begin. If you wish to be a d*****bag, please find some where else to play as I'm not interested in juvenile antics.

peace

If I misread the intent of your post my apologies.

reply to post by kdog1982


Hmmmm.....maybe this is that moment for me, when you open your eyes in the morning and realize your awake for the day. I want coffee.

peace

You have to follow the train of understanding here.
Now,looking back on my meeting ,I realize what a sham the US president is.
Now,looking back,I realize that Erich Von Daniken had some very interesting theories and those theories have expanded.

Being on ATS exposed me to many more theories and the conspiracy behind all that.

Because there is one.....

reply to post by kdog1982


I have a legal pad here beside me, and its full of sites, threads and so many different theories to follow up on. As I said tho, I'm deep in the political thing right now so unfortunately I've yet to get a copy of Chariot of the Gods yet, but it is on my list. That is a particular subject I'd really like to sit down and discuss at some length because I have a theory about aliens that my wife laughs at but I can't figure out if anyone else has even considered it or if it has been discarded, because it put a whole new spin on religion.

peace


Btw: Love the Marley quote. Think I'll go add one to my sig.

Originally posted by RichardA
reply to post by kdog1982

 

I have a legal pad here beside me, and its full of sites, threads and so many different theories to follow up on. As I said tho, I'm deep in the political thing right now so unfortunately I've yet to get a copy of Chariot of the Gods yet, but it is on my list. That is a particular subject I'd really like to sit down and discuss at some length because I have a theory about aliens that my wife laughs at but I can't figure out if anyone else has even considered it or if it has been discarded, because it put a whole new spin on religion.

peace

We appear to be in the same boat as far as spouses are concerned.

Chariot of the Gods.
Let you remind you I was 15 years old when I read it,so it goes without saying.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by TerryMcGuire


I had the entire Encyclopedia Brittanica. For a few years there during 'therapy' (g** that was such a joke for me) they became my sole companions. Didn't have the little coffee table books though.

peace

Originally posted by RichardA
reply to post by wonhunlo

 

I tried to be brief and not involve all the things I considered over the last week or so. These were the two things that should have woken me up but there were a thousand other clues.

It was actually the book that began me on this journey, the rest of it I see now in hindsight. If you would like to discuss something within the framework of this thread please begin. If you wish to be a d*****bag, please find some where else to play as I'm not interested in juvenile antics.

peace

If I misread the intent of your post my apologies.

edit on 28-4-2012 by RichardA because: didn't want to sound too much like d*****bag myself

It's nice to be noticed anyhow. You should check into Dutchsinse's site and look at his most recent readings for radiation at his ST. Louis site.

Think about your leadership's trading away or selling out on your personal rights and privacy.

I did not sell you out, those people who you wave to in the parade did.

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I have always been "awake" of sorts..

When I was 11 my priest had been accused of molestation
.. ended all desire to want to be part of mainstream religion
Watching my town go downhill the past few years,
Has ended my support of Capitalism
But it was a year ago when I met a certain person and realized that my self-concluded views were shared by many,
Simply lit a spark, and it's engulfed me since then.

But I would not have it any other way..
Life isn't supposed to be boring.

reply to post by wonhunlo

You should check into Dutchsinse's site and look at his most recent readings for radiation at his ST. Louis site.

I don't mean to be rude here,but I can educate you on dutchsense ,that is if you care to hear it.

reply to post by kdog1982


Here is a thought for you, in terms of aliens. (can I get in trouble for derailing my own thread?) I've heard of a folk tale from Africa (one of those theories I mentioned earlier on my note pad), where we were supposedly created to mine gold. Supposedly there was some problem and one alien was 'used' to possibly alter our dna. According to what I remember the folktale supposedly described dna experiments pretty accurately considering their own tech level. keep this in mind, I'll tie it together in a minute.

The book of Ezekiel speaks of UFOs, many christian religious paintings depict ufo's, and most importantly Christ rose from the dead. One huge conspiracy is that he became the fountain for the bloodline in the royal families of Europe, this if true could be extremely important.

What better way to make changes in human dna and making sure that it is passed on but through religious myth and using religious myth to not only protect it but to spread and cause it to flourish throughout the world in the hands of the ever spreading faithful. Remember at the last supper he started the whole communion deal. Can't retro-virals make genetic changes? If Mary was at the last supper and she was pregnant as has been postulated wouldn't that retro-viral be passed on to the child. Kings in that age were not really known for their respect of the word no from a woman.

Stages in human development at the very least aided by others or possibly personally directed to some future goal. Just something to think about. I obviously have WAY too much free time in my head. LOL

peace

reply to post by wonhunlo


As I mentioned in my OP, I am deeply into the whole political arena, which is why my delving into the more.......varied realm of conspiracy theories has languished somewhat.

I'll check out that site as STL ain't that far away.

reply to post by RichardA


Dude,you have been on ATS for how many years?
Are you just playing around?

If you are serious,you need to do a little research and put the note pad away.
It is all here.

reply to post by kdog1982


I know, I am basically a care giver to my wife as she is disabled. I do what I can but there are only so many hours in a day. I have some time at work, but that's really frowned upon. Tonights kind of a major exception for me.

peace

besides I wanted to explore a few other angles before I presented my entire theory, with relevant information. Thats a very brief and surface view of it.

Besides to be honest this kind of theory has very little factual data to support it. It takes a LOT of circumstantial evidence to even come close to surviving presenting such a theory here. Sometimes it comes dangerously close to, dare I say it, a leap of faith.

peace

reply to post by kdog1982


I need the note pad.

It makes it easier to write. I think its a comfort thing.

I was maybe 18, my boss gave me a copy of William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse.

Haven't been the same since.

Even then, I took it with a grain of salt, but wow, it got me thinking.

Good thread OP star and flag, hell stars all around.

As cliche as this sounds I believe I began entertaining the idea of "conspiracies" after smoking marijuana a few times the summer after my freshman year in college.

It probably sounds dumb, but I can remember being outside with a joint in my hand, staring at a fairly ordinary bush and for the first time I really SAW the bush. Until that point in my life, I'd never noticed the incredible detail in a bush before. I noticed the the seemingly endless branching of twigs and bark, and I could see-- even from a few feet away-- all of the branching veins and patterns contained within the leaves.

I guess maybe on some level that experience made me wonder what else I'd overlooked on my race to nowhere. Up to that point, I merely trusted my elders' assurance that my manic devotion to formal learning would pay off in the end. I'd always been an honors student, and I was always several grades advanced in every subject. I knew I really wasn't happy, however, and that I was just following a path put forward by someone else. That day with the joint I suppose you could say I learned that there are many paths, and that I had no useful conception of a destination so it might occasionally be better to walk instead of run. I finally allowed myself the intellectual liberty of some study OUTSIDE of school, and began searching the internet like a fiend for every topic I had the slightest interest in. One day I happened to stumble on ATS.

Even if I don't agree that airliners are spraying chemicals out the backs of their turbine engines or that reptilian monsters control the world, there are unique perspectives here that are difficult to find elsewhere.