Even if aliens *are* demons, they still deserve our compassion

Why Aliens of all things for a demon to impersonate? Wouldn't it be easier to just choose a Human form. I mean a politician, famous movie actor or president would be a more logical choice to suspect being a demon. An alien really wouldn't have that much clout to effect people in to sinning or straying from path of righteousness. With the whole ET/Alien thing you don't even have to believe they exist so how could the tempt you? But a lawyer, president or a bank CEO they could really do some damage as a demon. Remember that movie The Devil's Advocate? The devil got that guy to sin all kinds. This argument is kinda pointless if you think about it. Humans are the more likely suspect to be demon that an alien would ever be. Love needs to be earned just like it does as a father to his son. or a wife to her husband. Your son or daughter doesn't automatically love you when they are born but grows to love you as you take care of them. The same would apply to ET's be they just that or disguised demons.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2

Originally posted by Jepic
Why would you show love to something you have never met?

Why wouldn't you?

Second.

Because it might not deserve it.

Originally posted by petrus4
Do you consider hating or fearing something you have never met, to be a more logical response to them?

One has to ask why one would hate & fear something first.. For what reason? If one has a good reason for fearing & hating someone or something then your question becomes deeper... hating!?!? i've never met the person that murdered my 5 year old girl.. do i hate him? yeah, i fukin DO!!!!!

OP, There once was a guy who said a similar thing about bears. There is a documentary about that dead man who was mauled by bears.

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To play on our fear of the strange or unknown. Humans have vulnerabilities.

Originally posted by Ruralguy
Why Aliens of all things for a demon to impersonate?

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If you want to assume that demons or fallen angels are real and they are pushing through more indirect means a specific agenda, then the reason why a demon would want to impersonate an alien is firstly because they must conform to the current culture, that being science fiction. They want us to believe that there are advanced biological entities visiting earth and all the propaganda that goes with that, like the Ancient Aliens show. The quote below pretty much explains what the end goal of all this is.

"An examination of the evidence indicates beyond any doubt that a primary agenda of the alien visitors - whoever or whatever they are - is to change what human beings think about God and His Word (the Bible) and to replace exclusive Christianity with a religion of universalism."
-Ron Rhodes "Alien Obsession" -drawing on Bill Alnor PhD's "UFOs in the New Age"

They want a world government, but in order for people to go along with this it must be justified by a global culture and religion. I'm personally convinced that the Ancient Astronaut theory will be the basis for that religion, since that's whats being pushed now harder than ever, and the fact that the power elite have the most to gain from it politically. Since this is supposed to happen on a global scale, the best way it can be done is through a global organization, like UNESCO. The first director of UNESCO, hardcore eugenicist Sir Julian Sorell Huxley, wrote a document titled "UNESCO - ITS PURPOSE AND ITS PHILOSOPHY". In this document he makes it known that its purpose is to mentally prepare the world for global political unification under a single world government, its philosophy is that of eugenics, under the guise of ‘humanism’.

"That task is to help the emergence of a single world culture, with its own philosophy and background of ideas, and with its own broad purpose. This is opportune, since this is the first time in history that the scaffolding and the mechanisms for world unification have become available, and also the first time that man has had the means (in the shape of scientific discovery and its applications) of laying a world-wide foundation for the minimum physical welfare of the entire human species. And it is necessary, for at the moment two opposing philosophies of life confront each other from the West and from the East, and not only impede the achievement of unity but threaten to become the foci of actual conflict. - pg.61

The moral for Unesco is clear. The task laid upon it of promoting peace and security can never be wholly realised through the means assigned to it - education, science and culture. It must envisage some form of world political unity, whether through a single world government or otherwise, as the only certain means for avoiding war. However, world political unity is, unfortunately, a remote ideal, and in any case does not fall within the field of Unesco’s competence. This does not mean that Unesco cannot do a great deal towards promoting peace and security. Specifically, in its educational programme it can stress the ultimate need for world political unity and familiarise all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization. But, more generally, it can do a great deal to lay the foundations on which world political unity can later be built. It can help the peoples of the world to mutual understanding and to a realisation of the common humanity and common tasks which they share, as opposed to the nationalisms which too often tend to isolate and separate them.” – Pg. 13

UN 'to appoint space ambassador to greet alien visitors'

Their motto is "Ordo AB Chao", latin for order out of chaos. This system will come in out of the ashes of the current world system and pose as the solution to all the worlds problems, as Alice Bailey wrote in her book titled 'The Externalization of the Hierarchy'.

The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding. - Pg. 191

So basically, as the world continues to plummet into crises as planned, these "aliens" will appear and pose as our savior, whether or not it is a genuine appearance is irrelevant in the end, its the result that matters.

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The fact that these "aliens" vamooses when the abductee calls for the name of Jesus is very indicative. They certainly are not space aliens from some other planet but deceptive spirits or supernatural entities pretending to be aliens.

That work for you during your own abduction experience? You saw the Aliens/Demons with your own eyes? What did the craft look like?
How long did they hold you?

Or are you just guessing?

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by BlackManINC

 

The fact that these "aliens" vamooses when the abductee calls for the name of Jesus is very indicative. They certainly are not space aliens from some other planet but deceptive spirits or supernatural entities pretending to be aliens.

That work for you during your own abduction experience? You saw the Aliens/Demons with your own eyes? What did the craft look like?
How long did they hold you?

Or are you just guessing?

I never said I experienced any of it, so I don't know why you even ask, nor am I guessing or making it all up as I go along, like the loons that buy into the Ancient Astronaut theories. If you want to assume that these UFO's are real, then you should ask yourself why these entities the entire system wants us to believe are space aliens from some other planet are so concerned about our beliefs in Christianity and Jesus Christ, so concerned in fact that the "aliens" makes a run for it when the abductee calls on his name, as I go into in the link below.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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How about we learn to have compassion to our fellow man before we start giving it non human intelligent life. K?

Originally posted by votan
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How about we learn to have compassion to our fellow man before we start giving it non human intelligent life. K?

I can agree with that.

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People show love to a puppy they never met.
2nd

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You confusing religious people and true followers of Yeshua's teachings. Also your really generalizing. And you don't have the facts straight as many others don't. The aliens are not demons they are beings that were created at the creation of the universe and rebelled against the creator and have ever sense been engaged in a cosmic war of sorts. They are what the bible calls "Fallen Angels".

Also I don't spread this whole fear thing about it. But I do warn people that at least many of the types that are abducting people under the cover of night have an agenda that isn't a "good thing" and besides that it's generally causes trauma in people. Oh and some of your comments about Christians are just so off base again you must have just run into the religious type that don't have a solid connection to the Creator/Source through Yeshua.

Also would like to point out that hell is not even taught in the old testament and many believe in universal salvation for all beings through Christ. It would not be the "Good news of the Gospel" If i say hello listen to my belief and oh by the way your going to hell? This is where me and most religious part ways. Even if I'm wrong and there is a punishment of some type in the after life for the bad nature folk it won't be for all eternity like modern Christians claim. What kind of Father would punish his children indefinetly? Would that be justice for the crime? No. But lets say there is a punishment in each and every case throughout the bible the "fire of God" purifies so in the end ALL things will be set right in the universe! Do some serous reading on a site like www.tentmaker.org to seek answers on this subject and you may be pleasantly suprised in the truth and power of the real gospel of Jesus Christ!

I am not Christian but follow the oral traditions of the Hopi Elders. They refer to ET's as both good (they call them "space brothers" or katsinyam in Hopi) and evil (called "ungodly ones" or kakyakyauna in Hopi). Given what I have been taught, I would highly caution about wanting to have any kind of contact with the latter. Why? Here's why...

web.archive.org...://www.thebeloveddisciple.org/bad_starpeople.html

and

mountzion144.ning.com...

and finally the grand picture:

motherearthfathersky.org...

Originally posted by aaronez
web.archive.org...://www.thebeloveddisciple.org/bad_starpeople.html

I know there are bad ETs. I just don't agree with the idea that they ALL are.

Originally posted by petrus4
I had someone link me a video not long ago, in response to my last question to Christians on this topic.

I couldn't believe how utterly saturated with fear said video was. As I noted then, if there is one consistent characteristic of Christian interaction with people that I've noticed on ATS, it is the continual appeal to fear. FEAR, FEAR, FEAR. It's constant. It's like you're continually trying to pump the rest of us as full of it, as you apparently are.

Romans 8:15 "For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

The fact that you have not made a connection between 'fear' espoused by people who call themselves Christians, and the constant 'fear' preached by those in the secular and pagan world, shows me that you do not understand that fear is the bottom line driver of evil. It's like yeast, it infects the whole batch. Fear herds people in directions opposite to their natural inclination, and it the basis by which evil will unite - fear of global catastrophe, fear of not being seen as 'pc' and 'tolerant', fear of global overpopulation, fear of war. If somebody can get you to FEAR something, they have affected your MIND and will CHANGE your belief. The fact that you cannot recognise that the same force has been, and is currently, operative within many churches as well, is to your detriment. God isn't fear and doesn't produce sons of 'fear'.

Said constant appeal to fear, and the degree of condemnation which I received because of my own resistance to it, was the reason why I ultimately walked away from Christianity.

So you walked away never having understanding that your relationship is with God Himself, a personal relationship. You walked away never understanding that God refines you through your everyday experiences, and yes, that includes trying to correct your fellow Christians who are in error.

I will simply say this. Even if, hypothetically speaking, extraterrestrials are disguised demons, I do not think we should hate them. I do not think we should fear them. If we view ourselves as being honestly spiritually different from them, then how are we proving that, by extending the same emotions to them, which they themselves harbour and wallow in?

They are of their 'leader', who was a deceiver and murderer from the beginning, who has no TRUTH in him. They LIE. It's so easy to prove - look at the thousands of purported channelled messages popular in the New Age writings from 'ascended masters' and the ufology movement from 'aliens'. They are identical and cover the same subject matter. Look at their hundreds of failed prophecies. They FAIL because they are lies, they FAIL because they use FEAR to herd their fans into accepting what they say.

The Greys potentially being demonic doesn't mean that they need or deserve our love less; it would actually mean that they need it much, much more.

I would rather believe the hundred admonishments from the Holy Spirit to have NOTHING to do with them.

It's a lot easier for a person to get forgiveness and compassion from Jesus himself, than it is to get it from many of you.

Again, you will BE REFINED. Do you believe everything that people tell you? Do you not discern people based on their fruits? You are guilty of generalisation like all of us times. Our entire society has accepted the anti-christ mindset that 'tolerance' = 'acceptance and love". Look around you - tolerance kills 1,000,000 babiesa a year in the US alone, tolerance of drugs has killed and destroyed families, tolerance of seeing children sexualised in the media is leading psychologists to call for redefining pedophilia as a sexual choice, tolerance of unethical leaders in government, churches and business is leading to massive corruption.

snip....then at least I will have done something positive in the relatively short time that I've been alive.

What is positive about accepting the spirit of disobedience, the spirit of deception and the spirit of evil? There is nothing positive about believing lies and rejecting Truth. Who has convinced you that 'good is evil' and 'evil is good'? The book of Enoch clearly states that demons are the spirits of the killed Nephiliam. Jesus Himself demonstrated that they can inhabit people by possession - controlling their MIND and actions. The stories of 'alien abductions' demonstrate that they affect the MIND, use FEAR, and flee the name Jesus. If you choose to ignore this evidence, it significies that you delight in believing lies because the love of truth is not IN you. Is that who you are in your heart? That Christians who have erred following doctrines of demons is sufficient to drive you away from Jesus? Your Faith isn't in other people, it's in God.

Originally posted by proob4
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People show love to a puppy they never met.
2nd

Puppies are harmless.

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hmmm.. guess you missed my point of my reply; or I completely missed your point of the OP which, to me, causes the title to be skewed...

What I interpreted in the title was .."we should love demons" ..

But what I got out of the OP was "Christians instill fear and are haters of sinners"

So I guess I'm throughly confused on what exactly is the point of this thread.. 'the slamming of the Christian faith or loving Demons"

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by proob4
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People show love to a puppy they never met.
2nd

Puppies are harmless.

There is a difference between Protection of Others, or even waking up and knowing what you should do, to protect others and self, and unconditional love. You can do both you know.

But, if your actions are going to be useless at protecting. Ie they're in very strong predator suit, ie 12 foot draco, would take 70 armed militia or more to take one of their kind down, and you are not awake, and suddenly graced with super powers or skills, then in your last possible moment of life, do you attack or send them an invitiation to make U-Turns and Love and forgive them for not getting anything yet?

Would the attack yield anything other than you dying?

Would the latter course also 100% yield your dying or if you were meant to do more, in life, and your own journey was not over, and you had showed the positivity that you were meant to show, then would not the chance of Family, Higher Self, and Guaridan angels, or Positive Ets coming to the rescue be there?

What is more positive and more likely to gain your help, if you're meant to go on?

We're in a highly interactive school. The more negativity comes out of us the more negatives can access us, our families, our world and portal in.


The more we show positivity even in trials, and try to help others, the more we are able to get Positive help in.

There are miracles and times when we get help in trials however. Its not just one way, this is kind of the way they run the world in frequency manipulation and work the grids.

Our true Family sees through this manpulation and is constantly reaching us even when we are in negative situations in fact those are often moments where breakthrough occur so its not cut and dried, in fact that is one of the Universal Laws they claim that is going to yield to more and more help arriving for people because that would be a very unending trap, remember Good and Love is real and the other side is shadow or illusioin really and Good lives by Virtues, not Laws.

But, the point is, if you're determined to try and be LOVE, and you have more work to do, then its not your time, and so sending Love and Diplomacy is more likely to get protection in.

Also it raises Earth Frequency more.

Originally posted by Unity_99

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by proob4
reply to post by Jepic

 

People show love to a puppy they never met.
2nd

Puppies are harmless.

There is a difference between Protection of Others, or even waking up and knowing what you should do, to protect others and self, and unconditional love. You can do both you know.

But, if your actions are going to be useless at protecting. Ie they're in very strong predator suit, ie 12 foot draco, would take 70 armed militia or more to take one of their kind down, and you are not awake, and suddenly graced with super powers or skills, then in your last possible moment of life, do you attack or send them an invitiation to make U-Turns and Love and forgive them for not getting anything yet?

Would the attack yield anything other than you dying?

Would the latter course also 100% yield your dying or if you were meant to do more, in life, and your own journey was not over, and you had showed the positivity that you were meant to show, then would not the chance of Family, Higher Self, and Guaridan angels, or Positive Ets coming to the rescue be there?

What is more positive and more likely to gain your help, if you're meant to go on?

I would never want the help of others to take down this "draco". With superpowers or without.

If they decide to help me though, that's another thing. But they could never hold that fact against me, because it was all them. It was their initiative, not me calling for help.

I would probably be smart though and get out of its way.