'Farewell Intercourse' law allowing sex with dead wives sparks fury in Egypt

Here is an interesting reply that I found on the internet in response to the backtracking Zamzami made in his video posted above.

I understand it is not normally good practice to post a full transcript or reply of off site content but I think that in order to balance this topic it is important to share other views on this topic.

The reply below appears to be from a well informed individual who makes some very good points which allow for a better understanding of this Fatwa.

Zamzemi - too late -NO backtraking- Must be arrested and tried in court.

Zemzami is theologist terrorist, he must be arrested and tried in court. No re-taking allowed, must be in court to explain, If found guilty, must be punished to maximum according to law.

Surely this is false claim by zemzami and misleading and blasphemy. And is blasphemy libel case. It is about time Moslem should reform their religion and do some house cleaning Surely all religions must do the same. There are Zemzamis are in every religion and they must do the same.

I believe Mr. Zemzami is referring to this Hadith ( Which is actually a story about Prophet Mohammed which goes like this. “Anas bin Malek says that when the Prophet (pbhm) got news of the death Fatimah bint Asad,He immediately went to her house, sat beside her and prayed for her. “MY dear mother, may Allah keep you under His Protection. Many times you went hungry in order to feed me well. You fed me and clothed me on delicacies that you denied yourself. Allah will surely be happy with these actions of yours. Ad your intentions were surely meant to win the good will and leasure of allah and success in the Hereafter.” He Gave his shirt to be used as part of her shroud, saying he prayed to Allah to forgive her and give her the dress of Paradise. When the grave was prepared the Prophet (pbh) himself examined it and with his own hands and lied down the inside it then he got out then the Prophet and the companions placed her into the grave.Thus, she was one of the few blessed people whose graves the Prophet (pbh) himself examined. “Fatimah bint Asad is that great lady for whom he gave the glad tidings that she would be blessed with a place in paradise. He said that he shrouded her with his shirt, praying that Allah would give her the dress of paradise. Allah please with them and they pleased Allah” The Arabic word translated as I Slept” idajaa”. ( This word can either mean: Lie down, lie reclines, repose. BUT it does not infer sex. It simply refers to lying down or sleeping.

There is NO way it refers to sex. NO authority would consider it meaning sex. From said Haidth we see the laying in grave for examination purpose was done prior to Fatimah being lowered into her resting place. Prophet (pbh) was not alone at the grave side usually the burying of a deceased person is a community effort, thus it would be absurd to suggest somebody had sex with a deceased woman whilst everybody sat and watched. Add to that Islam does not allow sex with dead people.

IT is NOT allowed to touch the nakedness (private parts) of the deceased. There are other versions of this story and none verify Prophet had sex with dead woman.
To clear another thing, woman in story is Fathimah bint Asad is Mother is Ali ibn Abi Talib, this great lady raised the Prophet after he was orphaned. This controversy was created by Zakaria Butrous (Google him) who made this claim that Prophet (pbh) had sex with a dead woman and Many “SO called Scholars” like Zemzami took his lead without reading or understanding of Islam, Quran and how to read and understand hadith and Islamic history and Islamic studies; And its effects on Islamic religion of today.
Going back to Zakaria Butrous’s claim and his hypocritical nature, same word ( a construct of “idajaa) is used Arabic bible (2Kings 4:32) same word is used and translated as “laid” and not sex or anything of that nature.

One should understand that made up stories and false hadiths has entered into Islamic traditions and practices, many respected scolars took great care in their writtens; example: It is said that Imam al-Bukhari collected over 300,000 hadith and included only 2,602 traditions in his Sahih; Imam al-Bukhai himself examine over 300, 000 and reject over or did not include over 297397 hadiths in his books and there is a possibility he missed some … ?

I would like to touch Fique and Sharia 4 Rightous ( Abu Bakar, Umar, Oman and Ali [AS])they were educated (read and write) did not wrote any Figue or Sharia law, They knew and understood that religion is personal and practice, separation of Church and state during their rule. They did judge cases in court or state issues via secular and reason.
Fique ans Sharia laws are MAN MADE and has nothing to do with Koran. Writers of such law use verses of Koran to justify their points and laws which is a great SIN against God. Moslems and people of all religion should exam their religion and correct them self.

For example in Abrahamic religion before Islam, God “ Yahweah “ had a wife called “Asherah “ was worshiped in The temple, for few hundred years (around 628 BC) and religous Scholars rejected this idea and correct their holy books and took wife of God out of their religion and Holy book - fact remains that most Abrahamic religion always been polytheists in one or another way except Islam. There are many Zamzemi(s) in history and there will be more to come …. It is reponisblity of self to seek and find the truth and reject people like Zamzemi .

Apologies to the Mods in advance for this large quote but I do feel that it allows for a little more perspective and understanding toward this emotive subject.

Originally posted by fiftyfifty

Originally posted by blackmetalmist
Wow

I'm trying to look at this in different ways but to be honest, I can't see this being very popular. Just because a law is there doesn't mean that many will participate. What if the wife died a gruesome death and terribly dismangled? Sorry to be blunt, but the man wouldnt even be able to get an erection. I want to believe that these men will probably have enough respect for their wives and the human "sympathy" emotion that we all have inside prevails in a time like this.

I know things are handled in a different way over there in the Middle East (such as stoning a wife if she cheats, etc) so who knows... This is just way too much.

I gave you a star just for introducing me to the word 'dismangled'. I love it haha.

On topic. This is probably not going to take off big time. If my wife died, the last thing on my mind would be having it off with her dead body.

It was kinda a mix of dismembered and mangled. I couldnt really remembered either exact word so I just kinda combined it. Didn't make sense either when I looked at it but looked alright.

Actually, reading the article what i find even more disturbing is the roll-back of women's rights

Along with the rather grim “farewell Intercourse” draft law, parliament is also set to approve legislation that would allow girls as young as 14 to get married. Lawmakers are also seeking to eliminate a reform implemented over a decade ago that allows women to end unhappy or abusive marriages without interference from their spouses

A woman's body at 14 can be seriously damaged by child birth. It might be biologically ready procreate but girls (notice i don't say women) bodies cannot best handle the stresses that pregnancy and birth brings to the human body - Nor do i personally feel a 14 year old is mature enough to look after a child. They can be left with problems such as incontinence among other things. Not nice.
And as for a woman not having the right to end an unhappy marriage - well, that's just an infringement on someone's human right in my eyes. Might as well just chain them to the kitchen.

This is exactly why feminism occurred in the western world. This is exactly why feminism will gain momentum in countries like Egypt. They're not fighting to be better or have greater rights then men but rather to have basic rights in the first place. This news article disgusts me.

This Is Just Wrong On So Many Levels!!!

reply to post by studio500


So what exactly makes it wrong ? No one is being harmed, consenting adults and all that.

Come on guys. Obama said this was a revolution for democracy. Now that egypt is a "democratic nation," it can make laws allowing you to have sex with dead people

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consenting adult*. You can't consent once you're dead

Originally posted by someguy0083
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consenting adult*. You can't consent once you're dead

And add to that a 14 year old is not a consenting "adult".

Originally posted by ChristianJihad

This Is Just Wrong On So Many Levels!!!

reply to post by studio500

 

So what exactly makes it wrong ? No one is being harmed, consenting adults and all that.

Quite possibly the saddest statement I have read on ATS!

A good indication of why laws like this are allowed to be created!

"What makes it wrong...?"...just about everything!

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so a dead 14 year old wife would be double unable to consent. Would 2 negatives make a positive?

Originally posted by someguy0083
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consenting adult*. You can't consent once you're dead

Who's talking about the dead adult ? Besides the consent of the women is not required by the muslims they have little more worth than livestock so a dead one is merely meat, what the hell difference to her does it make when she's up in some selestial theme park?

Loretta Lynn ( the coal miners daughter) married at 13 years old, was a mother soon after, and moved to Washington with her husband

en.wikipedia.org...
14 not adult..?
oh noe

reply to post by ChristianJihad


Well you used the word "adults", plural. Unless someone else is consenting for her

reply to post by Sablicious


In my opinion islam is just like any other religion. It gives you the good words and tells you a philosophy about life. But like every religion, it got hijacked by a bunch of retards. Clerics for islam and catholic church for catholics.

And that 700 club guy for christians

Originally posted by jerryznv

Originally posted by ChristianJihad

This Is Just Wrong On So Many Levels!!!

reply to post by studio500

 

So what exactly makes it wrong ? No one is being harmed, consenting adults and all that.

Quite possibly the saddest statement I have read on ATS!

A good indication of why laws like this are allowed to be created!

"What makes it wrong...?"...just about everything!

edit on 27-4-2012 by jerryznv because: (no reason given)

Dude why are you judging me ? I didn't say I would do it or don't find it disgusting , " Just about everything is" not an answer to the question "What makes it wrong ?"

Many people have different types of sexual turn ons, what makes this any different ? No one is being harmed of insisting that you should do it, just because you don't fancy it doesn't make it wrong. Where you get your sense of wrong who knows? But obviously it's not the same place as some other people get theirs.

Look at it this way for a second -

This muslin religion thing is saying it's quite ok to have sex with your dead little girl wife.

The christian religion thing says that it's quite fine to enslave a little girl as a wife

So in my sense of wrongness the second is far more of a repugnant activity than the first, but obviously just because I think it's wrong doesn,t make it so as bible bashers out number me like squillions to one.

Perhaps the discussion would be more fruitful if it focussed on what makes something wrong, no ?

Originally posted by someguy0083
reply to post by Sablicious

 

In my opinion islam is just like any other religion. It gives you the good words and tells you a philosophy about life. But like every religion, it got hijacked by a bunch of retards. Clerics for islam and catholic church for catholics.

And that 700 club guy for christians

You'll probably find that there was no highjacking just retardation from the off, I mean to say for example what's good about mutilating a childs gentials with a sharp rock ?

Originally posted by someguy0083
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Well you used the word "adults", plural. Unless someone else is consenting for her

Pardon me, I was refering to those doing the shagging in the plural, getting consent from a corpse would be silly.

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for men? It's to help clean the penis. For women? I have no idea

reply to post by ChristianJihad

No one is being harmed of insisting that you should do it, just because you don't fancy it doesn't make it wrong.

Well, sex with a corpse may hurt the feelings of relatives and those who cared about the person. It also may lead to infections.

But yeah, I agree that there is an element of empty moral outrage and disgust when it comes to necrophilia. It is wrong, but there are far worse crimes in this world with an actual victim, necrophilia is a misdemeanor level transgression, IMHO.

A farewell sh@g after ones spouse has passed on to the next life? yea...no that's amongst the worst kind of activity I have personally ever read/heard about on the internet.

Just what in the heck is wrong with people? What has society come to when it is okay for something like this to be allowed to happen?

White/Black/Christian/Muslim?jewwish something like that should never be allowed to happen. Above all it should NEVER be legal.

Disgusting & Sick.