Only in the USA : 7.5 Years in prison for taking a wrong turn

reply to post by areyouserious2010


Im talking from EXPERIENCE.

Lived in the hood,for 26 years. I would know actually. First,response time in my hood was DAYS,not hours. Second,they only showed up,when there was a homicide.

reply to post by groingrinder

This poor tourist probably thought he was actually going to receive help.

He did. The police arrived and he was not assaulted by the crowd anymore.

The simple act of calling the police does not make one right or innocent.

Unfortunately small towns need money to operate and equally unfortunate Winslow needs to take this money from tourists any way they can. The police assist them in this endeavor.

Explain how the city of Winslow, AZ benefitted financially from this situation at all. His defense attorney was paid but it actually cost the city of Winslow, AZ the salaries of the police officers, prosecuting attorney, judge and various other expenses to deal with this situation.

I think if this person was in North Korea, or some other totalitarian type place, they be facing more than 7 years.

More like, "congratulations, you've just volunteered to test out the effectiveness of this new bio-weapon", or some such.
Yeah. as ridiculous as facing 7 years for a wrong turn is, I think I'd take 7 years over getting made to be a guinea pig where the end result is horrible painful suffering death.

reply to post by sonnny1

Im talking from EXPERIENCE.

You are speaking from your experiences which could hardly be used to represent the overall or average experience of everyone living in your neighborhood.

Lived in the hood,for 26 years. I would know actually. First,response time in my hood was DAYS,not hours. Second,they only showed up,when there was a homicide.

So, you say that you lived in the "hood." And, you say that it took days for the police to respond when called. And, you say that they would only show up when called about a homicide.

So, obviously someone called the police to find out it took them DAYS, which I do not believe, to respond. And, obviously someone called about the homicide because the police showed up.

Thank you for proving my point that people in the "hood" do, in fact, call the police.

Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Im talking from EXPERIENCE.

You are speaking from your experiences which could hardly be used to represent the overall or average experience of everyone living in your neighborhood.

Lived in the hood,for 26 years. I would know actually. First,response time in my hood was DAYS,not hours. Second,they only showed up,when there was a homicide.

So, you say that you lived in the "hood." And, you say that it took days for the police to respond when called. And, you say that they would only show up when called about a homicide.

So, obviously someone called the police to find out it took them DAYS, which I do not believe, to respond. And, obviously someone called about the homicide because the police showed up.

Thank you for proving my point that people in the "hood" do, in fact, call the police.

Funny how "your point" has to be proven............

People dont trust the police,in the hood.There are exceptions to it,mind you,but this isn't the Norm. Unless you have lived there,I don't see how you can "assume" that its a give in. People,in General,don't call the police,in the hood.......You dont have to believe me,and thats your OPINION,but its the truth.

BTW,I dont understand why you are being so antagonistic,to my posts. Is this a normal thing for you ?

First you questioned my post,with a race question,now Im proving "points" for you. Can we have a civilized discussion?

Im not saying all of US is doing justice this way, but i hope not the average citizen sees this as a fair judgement. The guy paniced, he was assaulted by theese people, and reacted by what he saw as a threat. He backed up against a curve, several feets from the makeshift hotdog stand. And the crowd got even more furious. What would You do in a situation where You felt your lives were in danger, surrounded by a mob?

U.S. expert: Larsgaard ruling is grotesque

reply to post by sonnny1

Funny how "your point" has to be proven............

As opposed to disproven?

People dont trust the police,in the hood.There are exceptions to it,mind you,but this isn't the Norm. Unless you have lived there,I don't see how you can "assume" that its a give in. People,in General,don't call the police,in the hood.......You dont have to believe me,and thats your OPINION,but its the truth.

"People dont trust the police" is not what you said at first. And one's trust of the police has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Here let me remind you.
RealSpoke said this:

Calling the police is the worst thing to do in the USA anymore, at least one of the most dangerous

Which, in and of itself, is derailing the discussion because the police neither assaulted or brutalized the accused man nor did they judge or sentence him to 7 years. Based on RealSpoke's statement, it appeared he was blaming the police for how this situation "victimized" the accused man. In reality, the police had little to do with how this situation turned out. First, it was the statements of the witnesses that got the man charged and arrested and it was the judge and jury who tried and sentenced the man for the crime he was accused of.

Then you derailed the discussion further by agreeing with him and stating:

True Story.

NOBODY living in the "hood" calls the PO-PO...................

Theres got to be a reason......

So, I was merely addressing your statement and showing the readers that what you said is not necessarily true.

I cannot argue the opinion that most people in the "hood" do not trust the police. I do not dare attempt to characterize an entire population's opinion on the police because I do not have enough information to make such a determination. You seem to have no problem doing so although I would bet that you do not have enough information to make such a determination either.

First you questioned my post,with a race question,now Im proving "points" for you. Can we have a civilized discussion?

I questioned how you characterized a "hood," population density or race?

We are having a perfectly civilized conversation. You are making points and I am arguing them because I do not agree with them. I am making points and arguing their validity.

reply to post by BenDozer

Im not saying all of US is doing justice this way, but i hope not the average citizen sees this as a fair judgement. The guy paniced, he was assaulted by theese people, and reacted by what he saw as a threat. He backed up against a curve, several feets from the makeshift hotdog stand. And the crowd got even more furious. What would You do in a situation where You felt your lives were in danger, surrounded by a mob?

What you are not taking into consideration is the fact that you do not know what was brought to light in the trial. You do not know what the witnesses testified to and what the facts are.

You are basing your opinion of the incident off of an article that may be biased due to it's author and the accused sharing a home country.

Unless you have some evidence or testimony that the witnesses lied or there was some wrongdoing in the trial, I dont see how you can come to your conclusion.

reply to post by areyouserious2010


What You are not taking in consideration is that is a fact that it is a election in that area, and that this is some sort of political judegement to win votes since most of the citys inhabitans wants to se him go to jail. Yes, there are witnesses, but they are, as mentioned, either in relation or know each other. And i ask again; why would this guy try to kill them? He took a wrong turn, in an area that he never had been to before. And to say that the news report from norwegian newspaper is biased is just wrong. Please do not compare norways media outlet with the one you have in the states, where biased reports based on political standpoints is normal.

reply to post by BenDozer

What You are not taking in consideration is that is a fact that it is a election in that area, and that this is some sort of political judegement to win votes since most of the citys inhabitans wants to se him go to jail.

Once again, you have proposed something with absolutely no evidence that would lead a reasonable person to such a conclusion. What, pray tell, made you jump to the conclusion that the judgement was politically motivated?

Yes, there are witnesses, but they are, as mentioned, either in relation or know each other.

First, I read the article and did not see a list of witnesses in the case. So, how can you be so sure that ALL of the witnesses knew or were in relation to each other?

Second, once again, just because witnesses know each other or are in relation to one another does not automatically impeach their testimony. Again, the accused man's mother would have been able to testify. If she did, should we automatically discount her testimony, even if it exonerated her son, because they were related to one another?

And i ask again; why would this guy try to kill them?

Well, I dont know. I would say he didnt try to kill them because he was charged and convicted of aggravated assault not attempted murder. If the state could prove that he tried to kill someone, he would have been convicted of attempted murder.

And to say that the news report from norwegian newspaper is biased is just wrong. Please do not compare norways media outlet with the one you have in the states, where biased reports based on political standpoints is normal.

Well, I base that appraisal off of the fact that the norwegian newspaper had absolutely no evidence to challenge the guilt or innocence of the accused man.

Did they interview the other witnesses? No. Did they get a copy of the police report or probable cause statement? No.

The only evidence the newspaper was using to lead its readers to believe the accused man is innocent is HIS testimony of the events that occurred.

Taking one person's word without hearing from the other witnesses is a common tactic used by many shoddy news outlets which use bias and shock value to grab the unsuspecting listener. So, one can draw a parallel between this Norwegian news outlet and some US news outlets.

The tone of this article is that the newspaper is bringing to light a Norwegian citizen that has been victimized by the wayward US justice system. Without all of the facts, which we do not have, we can only have a reaction to the news report rather than a true, informed, opinion on the issue.

reply to post by BenDozer


Horrible translation.

Guilty people always lie. That's why we have trials. A car is just as deadly, if not more deadly than a gun. Somehow I think the article is just another in the usual America bashing articles we see all the time.

reply to post by areyouserious2010


Sorry I didn't "spell" it out for you. Sorry I didn't use words that were precise enough,for you to understand.

I take what I seen as experience.


NOBODY living in the "hood" calls the PO-PO...................

Thats how Ive seen it,and experienced it.

Because you haven't,you "believe" your opinion has merit. Unfortunately,it doesn't.

I didn't derail the thread,in anyway,with my response to another poster. If you believe I am derailing the thread,call a MOD.Don't try "playing" one.My 26 years LIVING in a Urban hell,should give me a very good view,of the World I am talking about. You use the word "validity",and my response,my experiences, is validity to what I said. You want to know the truth? Move to the Hood.

Not everything is Black and White,in this world. There is a lot of "grey" in between.There are places,in the United States,Police DON'T visit,because the crime is that bad .That's reality.

You may have the last word. I am done discussing this with you.

Angry american mobs,

and to top it off they love to lie

and watch (fake) wrestling and people get beat up, killed.

Terrrr....

OK, whatever.. You can have your legal system and think its fair. But standing outside of the US and see what the system does to foreigners and its own citizens regarding justice, i dont want to ever visit America. Its just too risky, I posted this not to try to say that u are wrong, but show how the system works from a foreign perspective. This would never happened in a scandinavian country. and i do not want to prove anything and get into a discussion, just read the news and make up your own mind. I think the judge was way to strict, but that is my opinion, not yours.

His side of the story fails to explain his extremely odd behavior, was he intoxicated? Intoxication would explain a whole lot. Interstate 40 runs through Winslow, so even though it is a small town, it is not unaccustomed to foreigners.

JOHN KRISTOFFER LARSGARD, PLAINTIFF,
v.
SHEILA WARD AND ALLEN WARD, DEFENDANTS.

Maybe this poor guy justs ends up in the wrong place at the wrong time, often.

reply to post by sonnny1

Sorry I didn't "spell" it out for you. Sorry I didn't use words that were precise enough,for you to understand.

I dont need you to spell it out for me. I have no problem comprehending what you type, you just have to type what you mean.

NOBODY living in the "hood" calls the PO-PO...................

We have already established, by your own admission, that this is not entirely true.

Because you haven't,you "believe" your opinion has merit. Unfortunately,it doesn't.

You have no idea who I am or where I come from. How can you make this determination. Just because I disagree with you?

I didn't derail the thread,in anyway,with my response to another poster. If you believe I am derailing the thread,call a MOD.Don't try "playing" one.My 26 years LIVING in a Urban hell,should give me a very good view,of the World I am talking about. You use the word "validity",and my response,my experiences, is validity to what I said. You want to know the truth? Move to the Hood.

Im not "playing" as a moderator, I am simply telling you that "no one calls the police in the hood" has little to do with the subject at hand and is derailing the thread into another "bash the police" conversation. In this case, the police have nothing to do with what happened to the accused man.

Not everything is Black and White,in this world. There is a lot of "grey" in between.There are places,in the United States,Police DON'T visit,because the crime is that bad .That's reality.

Im not arguing that with you but what does that have to do with the original post?

reply to post by Kr0nZ


And when he was in his car having not said a word to them so there was zero reason to think they were foreigners, why would they want to bully him for being a foreigner? I'm sorry logic get's in the way of your hatred.

Yea, I was gonna be a Police Officer, but i got my GED instead......
Not for nothing, but the cops in America do tend to overreact, with trumped up charges, and every little thing presents a new felonous endeavor that the poor district attorney has to weed through.

Cops are not what they used to be, they have transformed into a para-military response. Small towns are even worse IMO. Don't believe me? Drive around Alabama in a small town with your favorite democrat bumper sticker.

Its the overreaction by all involved thats the problem....if you had a gang of witnesses team up on you for making a mistake....wouldn't you try and run? Or stand there and continue to be assaulted? Its not like the Norge had a events program from the towns festival to go by.

Even you guys have to admit that cops are trained to be stupid now and days..shoot first, ask questions later.....THAT IS how it is where I live. Must be a national trend........