My 7 year old suspened for "sexual harassment"

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
You're better off homeschooling him; the educational system in America is so worthless.

Yeah, let's see how that's working out for Santorum's kids.

2nd line.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by something wicked

 

Don't even think about home schooling unless you are qualified (which you make no pretence to be). People make that sound so simple and usually it's people who wouldn't pass a teachers exam.

Given the outrageous state of education in public schools today by "qualified" teachers your advise seems alarmingly ignorant. The rest of your advise was not much better, but at least the former can be attributed to heart felt emotion, the latter is just mind numbing ignorance.

If you're a big fan of indoctrination and public indoctrination centers that's your business.

I'm sorry but I can't let this pass.

I've taught for ten years, different schools and different states. There are no indoctrination plans. No one is trying to turn children into mindless zombie slaves willing to serve corporate America.

While there are certainly people who should never become a teacher, the majority of teachers genuinely care about our students. We go above and beyond to help our children.

For example: this year the teachers in my school volunteered to tutor anyone after school-for free. I believe we worked with about two hundred kids, going so far as to walk or drive them home if they needed a ride.

To my knowledge, not one parent has said thank you.

Because of budget cuts, our school no longer gets money to buy paper, pencils, crayons, scissors, glue, etc. Most of our parents are in terrible financial straits and can't provide these items for their children. So guess who buys it? Yep, the teachers. My husband is also a teacher, and while preparing our taxes we realized that combined, we've spent about $1600 on school supplies.

Both my husband and I have master's degrees. I'm pursuing my doctorate. Yet our salaries almost qualify our son to receive reduced lunch status.

It's really frustrating to know that you are sacrificing time and money because you genuinely care about children, then read comment after comment about how teachers are on power trips, are idiots, don't know what they're doing, etc. Its a kick in the face, and believe me when I say teachers get kicked in the face constantly.

Please understand, there are excellent teachers who genuinely care about children and who have the expertise to teach our little ones. The horrible incident reported by the OP was wrong. Period. The school screwed up and yes it happens. But don't assume all teachers and all schools are the same.

I'm sorry if this comes off as preachy or offensive, it's truly not my intention. But I can't just sit back and say nothing.

Originally posted by ventian
I see nothing in any 7 year olds psychological profile that warrants....sexual harassment. Maybe the government is just trying to hurt you through your kid. You are a member of ATS after all. If any psychologist even wants to evaluate the kid, then he or she should lose the right to perform such evaluations. This is beyond ridiculous. Go to the media (all sorts), and start reporting this. It should eventually gain traction.

It's not the government trying to hurt anyone. It's our stupid, idiotic society now.

Plain and simply, kids are not allowed to be kids anymore. They are expected to know all the rules, pretty much at birth. If they mess up, then they're out. Period.

Notice how the topic of sex has now been involuntarily introduced involuntarily into this 7 year old's life? I imagine he's pretty confused by all of this.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


The OP is a single father which could prove a hindrance in this case due to be rampant emasculation that seems to be prevalent as an agenda among government institutions.

Inappropriate behavior? Yes.

Sexual harassment? Definitely not.

If he is telling the truth, call a policeman and ask them what the law for indecent exposure is and then present those charges to the girls parents... I would also talk to the policeman and explain what happened and see if he would meet you at the principles office with your kid.. so that your kid could explain what happened in front of the policeman and the principle.

Maybe you could suggest in front of the principle that you are considering pressing charges against the girl for indecent exposure... but that an apology and a full reinstatement would suffice.

Also - send your story to the local papers, to the drudgereport.com and all the other conservative websites - like biggovernment.com or glenn beck... make a stink with them and see what happens...

of course, you need to trust your son on what happened.... and talk to the teachers of course.

Originally posted by coop039


Any adivce on how to deal with the school and DFS with this would be appreciated.

Thank you ATS.

edit on 25-4-2012 by coop039 because: (no reason given)

My advice...

Get an attorney. NOW!

I have been through a round with DFS. I won't bore you with the details, but the methods that they used to try to extract a "confession" of wrong doing from me were actually criminal. All charges from DFS were dropped, and the judge who presided was so disgusted and confounded by the whole thing that he struck it from the record. The Director was transferred to somewhere else, and the case worker in charge was fired.

If I had not had an attorney, I would not have gotten my son back, and it is unlikely that I would have been allowed to see him at all.

From what you said about the school district and the fact that DFS is involved, it sounds like they are not overly burdened with common sense. This can and almost certainly will blow up, and you may have your child, or children removed from you home.

To repeat, (and I cannot say it enough).

GET.

AN.

ATTORNEY.

NOW!!

Good luck.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
For example: this year the teachers in my school volunteered to tutor anyone after school-for free. I believe we worked with about two hundred kids, going so far as to walk or drive them home if they needed a ride.

To my knowledge, not one parent has said thank you.

Thank you.

Society is totally screwed up.

At the start of ninth grade I was in trouble for harassing a girl.
It's a semi long story so please bare with me.

I went to a Christian school, while my parents were Christian they only picked this school because it was the cheapest college prep school around and the only one they could afford.
They thought the "christians" at this school were too out there.

Twice a week Tuesday, and Thursday we had to go to Chapel.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday it was Bible class.

In Chapel we had assigned seating, boy, girl, boy, girl etc...

One day I get called into the office, the Jr. Pastor was there, my former 6th grade teacher who thought we had a student teacher connection was there and other persons.
I was told that the parents of one of the girls that I sat next to in Chapel had called in livid that I had groped their daughter multiple times and constantly stared at her.
I was told, I was not being suspended, but for the remaining year both semesters(over 3/4 of the year left) I would have to sit by myself in Chapel.
I would sit dead center in a row, with 2 empty rows in front of me and two empty rows behind me.
I was told I was not allowed to object nor give a defense on my behalf.
If I told my friends, or my parents I would be expelled immediately(they then reminded me the contract said my parents would have to pay the full year including all incidentals(books, class fees etc...).
So I spent an entire year ostracized and looked down of because a rumor did spread as to why I was there, but I was not allowed to defend myself.


I kept quite because I knew how much my parents were sacrificing to afford this school.

I also know damn well I didn't touch either girl, nor did I stare at them.
One was ugly and beyond creepily weird, the other was a stuck up B----, and not that attractive either.
Both had asked me for help on assignments and I told both of them no, tried talking to me in the halls, I ignored them.
This was all prior to being accused of these crimes, and I had been ignoring them the entire year before as well.
I had discussed this with two friends off campus, they were the ones who reminded me that I had ignored them the entire year before.
I ignored them so much I didn't even know they were there to be ignored.
Now I remember the entire thing because the whole incident ruined my 9th grade.

To top it off, just over a year later, one then the other started talking to me as if nothing had happened.
I made damn sure not to talk to either, nor be near them unless I had to and them only in a large crowd and as far from them as possible.

To the OP I suggest you get a lawyer on your side, and do it now.
Fight these charges before they label your son and stick him in the special classes.
Don't let some BS that can't even be harassment at his age stick.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by something wicked

 

All due respect, teaching is not all that difficult....... Look at what you are going to teach the next day the night before, make sure you understand it. Teach it the next day, make sure they understand it as well. Not rocket surgery here..... Especially at the elementary or junior high level. If you can't comprehend, and teach at a high school level, you probably shouldn't have kids at all, and still be in school yourself.

edit on Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:39:39 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

I respectfully disagree.

Teaching is so much more than reviewing material the night before.

For example. Teachers must plan each lesson in such a way to engage visual, auditory, tactile, and kinesthetic learners. In my class of twenty first graders, I have a wide range of ability levels. Some of my kids are reading on a second or third grade level. I have to develop lessons that will challenge and interest them.

At the same time, I have students who are non-readers. My lessons have to target their specific needs to help them grow.

Are you aware of Bloom's Taxonomy? Basically it classifies the different types of learning. Basic is knowledge based. Reciting facts, etc. The higher order thinking skills include analyzing information, applying info to a new situation, and evaluating information. Each lesson should include higher order thinking skills.

Now consider your students. Some come from abusive families and could care less about school, they are so focused on what's going to happen that night at home. I have a couple students who are homeless. We send extra food home with them on Friday, otherwise they might not get enough to eat. Then I have several students who speak limited English.

My point is this: teaching is a lot harder than some realize. And we have a huge burnout rate. The amount of work, coupled with the lack of a decent salary and basic respect causes many of our best educators to seek new careers.

If you truly want to see what it's like to be a teacher, volunteer at your local school for a week. You'll be shocked.

The American public education system has gotten beyond crazy now. Just...Beyond crazy.

Their is no common sense any more. None at all.

We are punishing kids who barely ( If at all) know what sex is, for sexual harassment.

If this girls parents do anything aside from say how much the school over reacted....Well, I just don't know what to tell you.

He wasn't grabbing her butt or doing anything perverted. He pulled her pants up.

If he was an adult who knew about sex, sure....But this is a kid and there was obviously nothing sexual about it.

The American public healthcare system has become stupid and these are the people teaching your children. Ever wonder why people seem a bit dumber now days? Well, this is a great example why.

The American public education system has stifled any and all common sense and logic.


Such a shame.

reply to post by smyleegrl


I was really talking about homeschool teaching. I teach my two girls myself for now. It's not that hard, they are pretty bright. I figure I am out of work now, might as well do something productive until work comes along. I am not one of those religious nutters, that are trying to brainwash my kids or nothing, and keep them isolated

They both are on various local school sports teams, and take martial arts a few times a week on top of that. One thing is for sure, they are way too busy for boys, that makes me happy for now

It wasn't your son's responsibility to remedy the situation, and it was certainly a breach of the little girl's rights to be touched by your son in any way she did not wish to be touched.

The school doesn't need to account for your son's age, that is for the authorities to deal with. They reported the incident, which was their obligation under existing precedent. Said authorities have decided that the action requires further investigation.

Teach your child to keep his hands to himself in the future.

Originally posted by Furbs
It wasn't your son's responsibility to remedy the situation, and it was certainly a breach of the little girl's rights to be touched by your son in any way she did not wish to be touched.

The school doesn't need to account for your son's age, that is for the authorities to deal with. They reported the incident, which was their obligation under existing precedent. Said authorities have decided that the action requires further investigation.

Teach your child to keep his hands to himself in the future.

They are kids, not adults. How can little ones who aren't even sexual yet with no reproductivity abilities be accused of "sexual harassment"? This is why this country is going down the toilet and has no chance to recover, it's full of morons who are supposed to be role models (i.e. school officials.)

reply to post by smyleegrl

I've taught for ten years, different schools and different states. There are no indoctrination plans. No one is trying to turn children into mindless zombie slaves willing to serve corporate America.

We have countless public schools (tax supported schools) teaching kids about their "civil rights" with nary a word mentioned about their unalienable rights. In business economic classes kids are taught to file a valid tax return for the so called "Personal Income Tax" with no discussion what-so-ever about liability and the subject of the tax in question. By the time these kids start taking sociology classes they are taught that Sociologist Donald Black say's that law is governmental social control and some of these teachers teaching this crap will then, without a hint of irony, turn around and discuss history and the countless revolutions through history.

Genuinely caring about students does not make an educator. Certainly that genuine care is important, but never at the expense of an education! While public schools pay lip service to critical thinking and claim they teach this in the schools, I supplement my income by tutoring high school and college students. Interestingly I do not volunteer my work, but charge for it, and I have had many, many parents thank me for my work. What I do is teach critical thought to help my students better navigate the highly politicized environment of schools.

I know that Donald Black (the sociologist) defines law as "governmental social control" not because this is what I learned back in school, but because I tutored a kid taking a sociologist class who hated the class, and hated his teacher. When I pushed him to explain why, he finally, in disgust, said that both the class and his teacher made him feel stupid. When I pushed further, he pointed to his text book that stated: "Sociologist Donald Black say's that law is governmental social control." I asked him why this made him feel stupid. He told me it was because he studied hard, remembers reading this in the text book, but got it wrong on the test, and the question was presented in the form of a multiple choice! I laughed, understanding why this would make him feel stupid, then I looked him straight in the eyes and asked him if Donald Black could possibly be wrong?

My client got very excited and began discussing the matter with me. Of course, I am well known in this site for declaring all law to be natural, and I certainly did not hold back my beliefs with my client. I showed him certain documents that refuted Donald Black and we talked the whole hour about law, legislation, and sociology as a "soft science". Towards the end of the hour, my client got nervous because he suddenly realized that while he truly believed Donald Black to be wrong, clearly he was expected to give this answer on the test. I explained to him that part of what he is dealing with is indoctrination, and that he needs to do what is necessary to get the grades he wants, but that doesn't mean he has to accept the crap being taught to him. I suggested he go to class the next day and bring up the issue of Donald Black's assertion.

At first, my client was afraid to do this, feeling it would only cause him more trouble than it was worth, but I pushed him, and to my proud surprise he brought the issue up at his next class. When he relayed the experience to me he was excited, animated, and warming towards his teacher (who probably genuinely cared about my client). At first, the professor was not interested in having a discussion about material all ready discussed in the class, but when other students began agreeing with my client that Donald Black was wrong, and even more students chimed in to defend Black's assertion, the professor finally relented and allowed for an in-depth discussion of what law actually is. Now that's teaching! However, it took a student who was coaxed by his tutor to get that teacher to actually teach!!

It never fails that when a professional teacher deigns to defend the public school system, they invariably fall back on how very little they are paid to be such saints. How much a teacher is paid has nothing to do with whether the school they teach for is an indoctrination center or not, but that's just some critical thought being used...that thing public school teachers like to pay lip service to but hate to demonstrate.

you think that's bad, my neace was suspended from school for singing bah bah black sheep, the letter i was shown by my sister said that she was suspended for racism and was asked to stop but she wouldn't. my neace is six years old and this is one of the few songs that she can sing completely due to her slow learning disability. i spoke to the school as i work in one and was told that the school has banned any song that might offend another, it had also sent out letters last year a few months before Christmas saying that Christmas cards and letters could not be handed out due to offence toward people who do not celebrate Christmas.
whats next?

reply to post by Furbs


Are you serious? If you think things like this, require anything more than talking to the kid, explaining why it was wrong..... Then I think you are beyond help.

Originally posted by WP4YT

Originally posted by Furbs
It wasn't your son's responsibility to remedy the situation, and it was certainly a breach of the little girl's rights to be touched by your son in any way she did not wish to be touched.

The school doesn't need to account for your son's age, that is for the authorities to deal with. They reported the incident, which was their obligation under existing precedent. Said authorities have decided that the action requires further investigation.

Teach your child to keep his hands to himself in the future.

They are kids, not adults. How can little ones who aren't even sexual yet with no reproductivity abilities be accused of "sexual harassment"? This is why this country is going down the toilet and has no chance to recover, it's full of morons who are supposed to be role models (i.e. school officials.)

I'm sorry, is there an age limit on personhood now? Believe it or not, children as young as newborns are sexualized every single day. Those that are sexualized can act out in sexual ways, mimicing the actions perpetrated on them by sexual abusers, thus themselves becoming sexual abusers.

The school has the responsibility to protect all of the children. They suspended a child that physically assaulted another student, which is there duty. Since it was an assault that could be construed as sex-based, family services were called to see if the child perpetrator is being damaged in some way.

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by Charlie99909

 

My son was told the same thing when he hugged a baby while he was in day care. He was three years old at the time. That was stupid. This maybe we need more info.
A boy yanked at this girls clothing. He had no right to put his hands on her at all and his actions were agressive.

Pfft, give me a break, kids at that age put their hands on each other, yank clothes, pull hair etc... all the freaking time.
Stupid crap, but if the girls parents let their dear daughter walk around with her ass crack showing, then they would probably be the type to stir things up as much as possible.
I swear, i saw this big fat ass at the store the other day wearing those kind of pants, with about 4 inches of her ass crack showing, made me want to puke.

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by something wicked

 

Don't even think about home schooling unless you are qualified (which you make no pretence to be). People make that sound so simple and usually it's people who wouldn't pass a teachers exam.

Given the outrageous state of education in public schools today by "qualified" teachers your advise seems alarmingly ignorant. The rest of your advise was not much better, but at least the former can be attributed to heart felt emotion, the latter is just mind numbing ignorance.

If you're a big fan of indoctrination and public indoctrination centers that's your business.

I'm sorry but I can't let this pass.

I've taught for ten years, different schools and different states. There are no indoctrination plans. No one is trying to turn children into mindless zombie slaves willing to serve corporate America.

While there are certainly people who should never become a teacher, the majority of teachers genuinely care about our students. We go above and beyond to help our children.

For example: this year the teachers in my school volunteered to tutor anyone after school-for free. I believe we worked with about two hundred kids, going so far as to walk or drive them home if they needed a ride.

To my knowledge, not one parent has said thank you.

Because of budget cuts, our school no longer gets money to buy paper, pencils, crayons, scissors, glue, etc. Most of our parents are in terrible financial straits and can't provide these items for their children. So guess who buys it? Yep, the teachers. My husband is also a teacher, and while preparing our taxes we realized that combined, we've spent about $1600 on school supplies.

Both my husband and I have master's degrees. I'm pursuing my doctorate. Yet our salaries almost qualify our son to receive reduced lunch status.

It's really frustrating to know that you are sacrificing time and money because you genuinely care about children, then read comment after comment about how teachers are on power trips, are idiots, don't know what they're doing, etc. Its a kick in the face, and believe me when I say teachers get kicked in the face constantly.

Please understand, there are excellent teachers who genuinely care about children and who have the expertise to teach our little ones. The horrible incident reported by the OP was wrong. Period. The school screwed up and yes it happens. But don't assume all teachers and all schools are the same.

I'm sorry if this comes off as preachy or offensive, it's truly not my intention. But I can't just sit back and say nothing.

Don't know where you're a teacher, but, you sound like the ones at my kid's school. We have been So lucky to have a school full of teachers that obviously care. My son has Asperger's [doing great, off all meds] and those people were an oasis in a very big desert.

On topic; OP, Talk to the principal, Let them know you will not sign anything and will fight this. Go to the school board, local news, anywhere you can go to shine the light on this farce. They Will try intimidation. Bringing DFS in is one way. People hear "child services" and think "Oh, their going to take my child", panic and do what ever they want to make it go away. You give in on this and more will follow. They try to run some schools like their own private kingdom. Don't give up.