My 7 year old suspened for "sexual harassment"

Rather than spend all your time getting information of questionable value here... Get lawyer. It cost a bit more than all the advice from here, but may well be more to the point and correct.

Just saying'.

Would be nice if liars didn't charge like 200 an hour.....
Not everyone can afford to contact liars all the time, which is another reason schools get away with so much all the time. That's why I like student advocates so much.

Lawyers will take the O.P. down the rabbit hole and then leave him all alone with the Mad Hatter and the crazy as a loon Queen, only to shrug their shoulders indifferently if they fail to accomplish anything on the O.P.'s behalf. The priest class lawyer sect are not concerned with unalienable rights, and will gladly surrender any challenges of jurisdiction for the much more profitable arbitration that comes with failing to properly challenge jurisdiction. A lawyer will grant the Child Protective Services or whatever the name of that agency is jurisdiction just to have more billing hours.

I often hear it said that a man who represents himself in court has a fool for a lawyer. Increasingly, any fool who relies upon a lawyer is the bigger fool.

If you don't like the court of law you could always take it to the media. Local papers, blogs, YouTube, etc. Great amounts of exposure with little effort on your part. Those here who are more familiar with law can even help you.

There are three sides to every story, yours, theirs and the blur in the middle.
We know OP's part, which is his 7 year old son's story.
The age of reasoning begins at age 7.
You do not know how this little girl was or wasn't dressed.
It sounds like a scare tactic being used byt the school right now, but I do not know why it is so severe to use this tactic, do I? There must be more to the story. If there is not(which we know there is more, there always is) then yes, hire an attorney.
It is not okay to play doctor, or give wedgies, or any other type of behavior that is considered "normal". Just because you did it then, and did not get in trouble, does not make it okay.
7 year olds do get embarassed, she may have been put in an awkward situation that she did not feel comfortable with at all, we do not know.
We do not know if there have been prior warning to the young lad, we do know that all the time kiddos will behave one way at home, and another at school. Angel at school, lil' devil at home or complete opposite.
I like the way everyone is quick to forget about the possibility of this little girl having a story. However, I do like the way that some here give solid advice to OP.
I can not be certain the punishment exceeds the crime - if I were to base it solely on OP's boy's side, than no, it doesn't fit' therefore I feel the story will come out to the father tomorrow - a different side to the story.
I do wish you many positive actions to come from this entire event.

Really, at 7 years old????? He isn't even old enough to know what "sexual harassment" means. They need to GET REAL and realize that his is soooooooooooooooooo not good for his mental psyche. At 7, just being TOLD you are bad is enough emotionally to make you stop and feel bad about yourself!!!!!

While I DO agree that SOME children are out of control, it sounds like this issue is just being blown way out of proportion, and I as a parent would do anything to make my child feel better about their own self, because in THIS case, they are NOT WRONG.

Please do the right thing and fight for your baby!

A seven year old suspended for sexual harassment... yet a seven year old hasn't even developed sexually

So much red tape at schools these days. Things are getting out of control really fast. Before you know it kids will have to have a TSA 'feel up' every day before they are allowed to enter the school.

...Don't believe me? Wait a few years. I can almost guarantee it will happen.

Would everyone try to think logically please.

We can only take the OP at his word and I do not have a problem with that at all.

His son has not been warned previously.

No previous letters or notes have been sent home to the OP for his son misbehaving.

As far as the OP is concerned and I sincerely hope he will correct me if I am wrong, this is a once off event.

Children will be children. They are only seven, that should be about 3rd grade.

This is a criminal overreaction.

IF you can afford it, get a specialized lawyer.

The other really good idea is to see if your state / area has these advocates. If they do this is your best course of action by far.

I am a Councillor and this is normal behaviour for this age group. A quite simple discussion followed by a hug is all that should have been required.

If money is a problem then one out of the box solution would be to visit your county's police department and speak to a specialist who handles child abuse. You need a specialist. Lay a charge of Psychological Abuse on the school Principal and watch the problem evaporate. Now they may act, or they may not.

Lastly would everyone please stop with the black / white thinking please.

Not all teachers are bad. In fact most teachers are dedicated professionals. It is amazing and I have seen it first hand how an extremist principal can wreck a perfectly good school in 5 years. That is why some schools are just bad news. But remember most teachers are dedicated professionals.

OP you need to fire one back at the Principal, fast.

Hugs to your son, being a single dad has it's challenges, I know, I am one with 3 boys.

P

reply to post by TKDRL


I don't quite agree with you there.
The rich don't really care if other people are educated, they just want to make sure their children are prepared.

It's more like politicians want to keep kids dumb so they don't grow up and realize the government is screwing them over.

As far as Ivy League schools are concerned, they weren't started for the rich, they were started for the intelligent.
Those that worked their butts of in academia.

Ivy League and even state colleges cost too much because of government involvement and greed not because the rich want to hold people back.
The entire system is set up to prevent people from paying for college with cash, colleges student for student get more money from Financial aid and loans than parents who pay cash out.

I'm using simple numbers here to illustrate the point quickly.
College used to cost $1000.00 a year, some politician stepped in and said that's too much and it's unfair that students need to borrow 1K to pay for college.
So they approved $750.00 in government aid and told students you need to come up with the additional $250.00.
The board of trusties saw this and realized that the students were already able to borrow up to $1000.00 for college so over a few years slowly raised tuition to $1750.00, 1K from loans, 750 from the government.
Along comes another politician that notices that there are still students that didn't qualify for aid so they increase the aid to $1500.00, and increase the number of people able to qualify.
Round and round it goes until now an Ivy League education costs $100,000.00 or more for 4 years.
State schools while more reasonable in price were affected the same way.

When I started school was $1050.00 a semester, now that wouldn't even cover part time tuition at a state college.

Add on top of that, colleges get additional funding for each student on financial aid that they aren't allowed to charge the cash students.
So you have colleges that adjust the policies and say things like "financial aid students get priority registration because they need to maintain unit levels to get their aid."

Government got in the way of a market cycle and threw the whole thing off kilter.
If Financial aid for college were cut in half tomorrow tuition would drop more than half in response because the colleges would realize they don't get government money anymore.
Once that golden goose is gone they realize the only way to make money is through volume, not government perks.

College and education in this country is spinning out of control because the government is messing with it too much.

Don't believe me, look at it this way.
Every year college is more expensive and HS test scores drop.
Every year there are more government regulations and increased funding.
That's a 1 to 1 relationship.

Sorry if this is off tangent, but we can't blame the rich for all our problems.
I'm dirt poor, well close to it.
I don't blame the poor for my life sucking, or for college being expensive.
I'm in college every day, it's not the rich students that are making it hard to navigate college.
They are just trying to get in and get out as fast as anyone else.


Sorry to those on this thread for going off topic.

reply to post by MoEskiMo


It is not okay to play doctor, or give wedgies, or any other type of behavior that is considered "normal". Just because you did it then, and did not get in trouble, does not make it okay.


This is EXACTLY where the root of the problem lies...(in my own opinion). YOU say behavior as such is not okay...but it was the "norm" for many kids growing up at that time, and no one dwelled on this experience that I ever knew! I am not talking about "wedgies" which is more of a non-consentual action, but playing "doctor" was consentual. I don't know your age, but I assure you, most of us "normal" people did not have any repurcussions from participating in this "immodest" deed!

He's 7! Is there anything else they needed to make of the incident more than "Stop that now little Johnny" I mean they're 7 these kids, that's single digits folks, even if he stuck his little hand down her draws, as long as he's young enough to not wipe his ass right yet and can get away in a public place pickin his friggin nose without anybody makin a fuss! Then things a kid does at that age are handled different then that of an adult, not in this way of shaming the child as apposed to reprimanding and "TEACHING" the kid!

What's goin on in this country any more? too many teachers today that should NOT be teachers and that goes for Principles also, "People" it seems our school system needs an major overhaul or uprising the choice is simple ! sometimes i think people are loosing there soul! Something i've been noticing for some time now! By these standards i would of had the death penalty handed to me for the s#it i did as a kid! But anyhow good luck with that bro hope everything works out better for you with your kid. But you just understand that the average Joe goodguy out there don't understand this BuIIsh!t in this world today anymore than you and feel the same way too!

reply to post by Pigraphia


How many politicians do you know that are not part of the rich class? The only ones I can think of offhand, are more local, and don't wield the kind of power that the others do. How many politician kids are enrolled in the failed public schools?

Don't get me wrong though, I know not all rich people are bad and against the world. But the ones that are bad, against the world, and wield the power to affect any change, do happen to all have a large bankroll.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I have two words for you:

Private.

School.

Some private schools are worse than government schools. It's like choosing between sharks and piranhas.

To the OP

I suggest you get a lawyer or at least legal advice asap. I'm not sure how it works in America but surely there are places you can call for free legal advice? Anything involving the government can get messy really really quickly and now a days "common sense" is as rare as superman sightings.

OP describes what, in the UK, is the time honoured tradition of the 'wedgie' A wedgie is when you grab someone's underpants (or boxer shorts) and yank them up quick, so that they get an asscrack full of underwear and much laughing ensues.

The wedgie is discovered by primary school children (from the ether seemingly) and is then performed periodically throughout the rest of their school life, particularly in changing rooms during sports. Everyone likes to dish out a wedgie, usually to help evaporate the memories of the one you received yourself (as most do!). Of course, the incidence of wedgie receiving is probably higher for the weaker kid. That's a shame but that's life. It's not exclusive to the wedgie. And this is certainly the first time in my wedgie career that I've seen it associated with sex. It's just a prank that makes you walk around for a few seconds like you've pooped yourself. Funny in a juvenile way but not erection material.

I wish you all the luck and prayers in the world, as this could become a living hell for your family...

My son sits in a prison today for a game of "Truth or Dare" from 11 years ago when he was thirteen years old and was charged with a sex crime (he was dared to kiss another boys penis).
They waited 4 years to arrest him, he sat in jail awaiting trial for over a year and on his 18 birthday he was charged as an adult (by the state, not by the other boys parents). His lawyer totally sold him out (in the land of Joe Arpaio)... Serious depression and multiple suicide attempts later years after his release he "wigged out" and got into a fight with a police officer during a traffic stop in hopes that they would shoot him (tazered him instead).
S.O. is marked on your driver license which has to be renewed every year. Cops don't ask for an explaination for why you are a sex offender (neither do grown men in prison).

Things people should know... Kids do not comprehend "Sex Crimes", my son thought it was a "gross-out dare" not a sexual one (proven through two psych evaluations, one private and one given by the state of AZ).

When they do Psycho-tests they attatch a wire to the boys penis (and other parts) and show them pornography (including childporn), plus an assortment of other mind and physically degrading tests (definately not designed for children or normal people). What they do in the name of testing would be considered a sex offense if done by a "civilian" instead of a psychiatrist or officer

The reason why there is so many sex offenders is because - Sexting, 18 with 16year olds, Kids playing doctor, ect. are now sex crimes. 1 out of 134 people in Maricopa county are sex offenders, that coupled with other crime rates is how "America's Sheriff, Joe Arpaio gets re-elected, felons can't vote - and everybody else is freaked out about all the paedofiles and criminals www.city-data.com...[/url]

Prison rape is not funny - even when it happens to a 17 or 18 year old in jail or prison for being a sex offender.

The label sex offender doesn't auto-matically mean Paedofile, yet neighbors who looks it up just see a sex offender and thinks paedofile (media has done this, last week Doctor Drew called a 41 year old man who lived with an 18 year old a paedofile and predator - Yet, this isn't the clinical or legal definition, no matter what his personal opinion is)

The label follows you for life, like, how do you tell a prospective girlfriend you are to report everymonth, or her parents
or when you apply for college or a job?

My son was forced to go to classes at $60 a half hour with guys who simply impregnated their underaged girlfriends and actual paedofiles and rapists, as the state makes no decernment. (in todays world i would be a sex offender as i married my pregnant girlfriend who was 16 when i was 18 - been married for 34 years)

Twice i was told for enough money i could have my son's charges disappear, once by a lawyer and once by a cop

Years and file cabinets full of paperwork and countless contact with the courts and lawyers doesn't do anything, as they all push up their shoulders with their hands in their pockets and say, It's up to the prosecutors and judges. Then the judge merely moves papers from one side of their bench to the other and says next. Two weeks after my son's 18th birthday he plead out as he couldn't stand being in jail anymore and the threats from both inmates and officials. All they want is the plea deal...

A few years ago I took my son out of public school when a little kid decided to push my sons face repeatedly into a locker. He was only in first grade and his parents, the principals, and teachers refused to do anything about it when the bullying became a daily thing. He even stole my son's money. We now do homeschooling and my son is happier than ever. I highly recommend it, it's not for everyone but for the kids that get bullied or are targeted by the system..it seems to help tremendously for their self-esteem.

I'm just not buying it. Pulling up a girls pants no matter what age is a pretty personal thing to do. It's easier to just point it out, I'm sure she could help herself. I think most likely he wasn't trying to help anything. There's just no reason to pull up another girls pants for her. It's weird.

So the girls butt crack was showing and he pulled her pants up. I do not see what the big deal is.

Now if he would of pulled the girls pants down instead of up that would be different.

reply to post by trika3000

He was charged as an adult even though the event took place when he was thirteen? That's absurd. Why should they be allowed to charge him as an adult just because THEY decided to wait until he was 18 to bring him to court?

Originally posted by trika3000
When they do Psycho-tests they attatch a wire to the boys penis (and other parts) and show them pornography (including childporn), plus an assortment of other mind and physically degrading tests (definately not designed for children or normal people). What they do in the name of testing would be considered a sex offense if done by a "civilian" instead of a psychiatrist or officer

So the government is allowed to be in possession of child pornography AND force people to look at it? If they are showing it to a genuine sex offender, doesn't that just make it worse? Talk about throwing gasoline on a burning pile of leaves. Jesus Christ.

It's mind boggling how the government is allowed to get away with doing psychological tests like this. It's almost like a form of psychological torture to force somebody into watching child pornography.