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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
-So when they don't measure there is an interference pattern.
-When they do measure the interference pattern collapses.
-When they measure but immediately erase the info, the interference pattern is restored.
This proves that the physical act of measuring, the Observer Effect, is not responsible for collapsing the interference pattern.
The measuring device has interacted with the particle, yet the interference pattern remains if the info is erased.
The conclusion is again inescapable, the availability of the info is what collapses the pattern, or not.
I see no other reason for that besides it having a direct relation with the consciousness of the experimenter.
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by AlchemicalBinoculars
Don't think that your statement of "I already posted three times that you have no evidence" is an excuse to not reply to that post.
I'll just take it that you are lost for words right now. Shame cause there is no harm in admitting you actually learned something.
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
Shame too that this thread got buried so quickly. Off course that is the thing to say about your own thread but imo the stuff layed out here is way more remarkable than most shallow BS threads that are glued to the front page most of the time. But that's just how it goes.
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by circlemaker
Isn't that the whole point I was making?
The non wave pattern is already on the screen before they erase the wich path info, yet when the experimenter checks the screen later, it still shows an interference pattern. How is that possible? It's only possible because after the fact, the wich path info is not available, so the pattern on the screen adapts to the experimenter not knowing the wich path, even though it was available at the time the particles hit the screen. The pattern on the screen adapts to human consciousness. How else would you explain it?
They are saying that the interference pattern only shows itself after the experimenter knows if the wich path info is available or not, by looking if the idlers were picked up by the detectors that are related to the wich path info not being known in this case. You have to have an understanding of the setup of the exp to understand this.
I happen to agree that there is a strong possibility, and I said as much but that flew right thru your angst, that consciousness does have effects. On matter, wave properties and many other physical things.
The difference is that I also know that at this juncture, there is absolutely no way whatsoever to apply direct evidence to that concept. As I said, for many reasons, one being that you cannot measure consciousness much less the "force" it has on objects. Tough on us.
...get all bleary eyed and emotional. The thread didn't get "buried", you feel buried, there is a difference.
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by AlchemicalBinoculars
The,.................................
[binned a mountain of self-serving garbage.. ]
What came first? The brain or the measuring device?
And could someone remind me what scale we are using to quantify anything with?
Originally posted by randomname
the double slit theory. i think i've seen that movie.
The mouse emits a laser beam and then the reflected image is received by the CMOS sensor and sent to the DSP (Digital Signal Processor) .. this cycle happens multiple times in a second .The DSP detects patterns and changes in the images and tracks the movement of the mouse and then sends the coordinates to the computer..