My Ghost Radar Freaked Me Out Last Night!!

Originally posted by Pigraphia
reply to post by kgirl2002

 

I just don't think that our phones can pull off what these apps say they can without seriously tweaking the phone and that could mess with the phone itself.
So instead they wrote a program that uses many source gathering info to make it seem real.
I don't think the program checks ancestry.com as that would be hard to code, but if your phone has FB checking pics and names tagged wouldn't be hard.

This was great analysis...and thanks...but, again, MY App. is not on my phone, but on my iPad (I also am not on facebook or any other socially-interactive website other than ATS).

reply to post by kgirl2002

kgirl, you're LAST post totally blew me away...I can't tell you why here, but lets just say that our Apps...and their results share one more HUGE coincidence!

reply to post by Pigraphia


I tend to agree with your assessment of the phone apps, Pigraphia, but they are fun to play with. No serious investigator I know would put a lot of stock in them on an actual investigation.

I do have the full kit of necessary ghost hunting equipment, having been part of an active investigative team for several years now. You're right, the fewer bells and whistles, generally, the better and more believable the results. Some of my team members love the ghost box (or shack hack, as I call it) but I find it a bit frustrating at times and way open to interpretation. My favorite shack hack fried itself during a recent investigation at a strip club and I had to replace it, and am not happy with the new one at all. (Most of us had serious equipment failures at that particular site.) I love my Ovilus X tho it's a bit hard to understand in real time; I might get the add-on which gives a read-out of the words as they're said. The digital recorder is my favorite piece of equipment. I do love a good EVP!

On the other hand, I'm not quite ready to dismiss the idea that spirits can, and do, avail themselves of equipment such as G.R. (and cell phones in general) when they have the opportunity to do so.

reply to post by IAMTAT


IAMTAT, u2u me!!!! I am dying to know what the coincidence is!

I posted on here a few days ago. I just had one more silly one to add. This past Sunday my mom had the ghost app running while she was sitting at her dining room table watching the world outside. She said it didn't say anything. She was watching the two ducks that come in and eat the food she puts out. She said they flew away after a fox showed up and chased them away. She said the only word came up at this time, "ducks" and then it was silent again.

So, I'm still not sure what is going on but I thought this was another weird coincidence.

reply to post by LoveyLadybug


Ladybug, if that's a coincidence, it's one HECK of a coincidence!

I just downloaded the app. Onto my phone..tried it out it is creepy. It was showing blond and colors and words like other, magic, eager, and upstairs it said knife. Then it stopped it was on when I took my dog outside it did nothing. I came in and nothing, I walked in my livingroom nothing. Dining room it said one of my daughters name and then wear.

reply to post by IAMTAT


I know you have the ipad.
The program they used would be the same program for all platforms, just tweaked a little based on the system requirements.
Not to mention the ipad depending on the model has less hardware than the smart phone.
One piece of hardware the program uses is the 3g and 4g antenna to help detect ghosts(radar), for em fields, and evp(the word generator).
It also uses the Bluetooth antenna to aid in its work.
The basic ipad only has wifi and doesn't have 3g 4g capability so there is an entire component missing that the program supposedly uses.

The program is still available on all models of ipad though and that's the problem.
Not to mention smart phones which also have a wide range of hardware specs.

So how can the program provide the same results with different hardware, and in some cases less hardware?
Answer... It can't; it's a well written program to simulate contact.

I think the radar is bunk, it's simply beyond the scope of the hardware on any device, phone, or ipad.

The word generator is a program as well, but there is a chance it could be used by spirits.
A good chance in fact if a spirit is open to communicate.

They could directly influence the phone while the app is running to make contact.
From what I know of spirits though(theoretical book knowledge) that would drain the battery very fast.
So unless after any of these uses the battery has been depleted and needed a charge much sooner then necessary; it's just the well written program that has been messing with you.


I'm not trying to burst any bubbles, or rain on anyone's parade.
I would in fact like there to be legitimate contact.
I'm just applying critical thinking to the idea of a phone app, and in my opinion it is a well written program taking advantage of those who want contact with the other side.
It harkens back to snake oil salesmen, and fake psychics(though I believe there are real ones out there).

I'm not trying to be a downer, or discount your experiences as spirits can move in ways we can't fathom.
If we are open and they are willing; they can use just about any medium from the TV, to dice, playing cards, even a magic 8 ball.
Not to mention our phones with our without programs, through EVP, voice-mail, pictures flashing etc...

I just don't think it is right for a well written program to muddy the waters, and trick people even under the guise of "entertainment".

reply to post by kgirl2002


I think, you're right if a spirit is around and really wants to send it's message it will use whatever it can.
I just don't think outside real hotspots where you can witness and hear other unexplained stuff it's real.
The G.R. happens to work where ever I took it given enough time, that's too hookey.

Wow I love your story about everyone on your team experiencing equipment failure on the same investigation.
To me, while statistically possible as anything is statistically possible, but the odds of multiple failures on well kept equipment in the same 6-8 hour time frame are unlikely.

I have a question, since you seem to be an investigator.
When I first stared looking into paranormal research and activity I came across EVP.
When I first came across it, the definition said it was a phenomenon that happened in analogue recorders as the spirits which manipulate EM fields play hay wire with the actual tape and that is how an EVP is recorded.
Now I see tons of places, and even read or and watch videos of investigators using digital recorders.
The recording process is different for digital and analogue, so was the original definition I found years ago wrong?
Have the spirits realized our mediums have changed and are just trying to communicate through any means possible.

Anyway, your posts are great, I wish there were some way a novice like me could join an investigation team in So Cal.
It seems the teams are hard to find, and many don't like the fact that while I believe I am skeptical and analytical at the same time.
It's just the way I am, I'm a physicist in training and we are taught to be analytical first.
I just really wish I could get on a team out here as the novice that I am.

reply to post by Pigraphia


Pigraphia, I wish I had the expertise to answer your question about analog vs. digital recorders. I do know that both work. Have you heard of the psychic medium Chip Coffey? I was at a gallery that he conducted one time where he said that he grew up in a very haunted house and his family would use the old-fashioned reel-to-reel type recorders. He said they were much better at picking up EVPs than the digital devices. (Just FYI, Dan Aykroyd is another person who comes from a family background of paranormal investigation. Google his name + paranormal and read about his family sometime. His background is what inspired him to write Ghostbusters.)

As for joining a team, I suggest looking for a Meetup group in your area. www.meetup.com At the very least you'll find like-minded people who are curious, and maybe you could start your own team that way. If you do stumble onto a team that doesn't welcome skeptics, run the other way. They're looking for thrills, not the truth. Every investigation we undertake is approached with an eye toward debunking whatever phenomena are reported there. If we honestly can't debunk it, then we may have something, well, paranormal. So your physicist's brain will be an absolute asset to whatever team you join! Let me know how it goes!

reply to post by kgirl2002


Thanks for the advice and some things to google.

Very interesting that the reel to reel worked better, now I wanna know why

Thanks for the suggestion of meetup.com

I didn't even think of them which is sad as I use them, or rather the company I work for uses them to set up events.

Thanks for all the suggestions, and I will keep ATS in the loop if I can get on a team.

It would be great to post my future experiences.

Can anybody explain (assuming you read my experience of the ants in my previous post ) how this app could 'cheat' and use any information found in my phone to relate to what was happening and what it said ? It just makes no sense and is too specific to be a coincidence in randomly generated words. I'm totally baffled by it.

Originally posted by Kaspar
Hi everyone,
I've already posted my experience of this app in another thread a while ago, but in case any of you have missed it, here goes. I downloaded it to my Android phone and after using it for a few days around the house all it seemed to do was bring up random words in bunches of three, making no sense to me. One time in the bedroom it said 'Birds' and 'Window' which was a little weird as pigeons were gathering above that window early in the morning and annoying me. Coincidence ? Maybe.
The one and only time it said anything relevant to me I just could not pass off as a coincidence. I had been in the back garden catching some sun and with the GR app running but it hadn't said anything so far. I then returned to the kitchen through the back door,phone in hand,when it suddenly spoke three words. 'Ants' 'Able' 'Return'. I turned around and immediately looked towards the back door again and lots of ants were crawling along the window sill in my kitchen.The window is joined to the door frame that I had sealed along the wall the week previous to stop ants that were invading the kitchen! And through a tiny gap in the window they were literally able to return lol. ..it actually spoke as I passed them unnoticed. Now that I cannot call a coincidence, what do you think ?
Plus I'd say it actually rules out any reading my phone information, as nothing had been said via the phone about the ant problem. I'd encourage anyone who can try GR to report their findings here, after all it's free.Haven't used it for a while but might have a session soon and post anything interesting.

I had to repost your post so people didn't have to go back and find it. Personally, I don't think that was random at all. No way that could be a lucky random hit, but that is just my opinion. Btw, thank you for pointing me to the computer app!

So far mine (xParanormal not Ghost radar)seems to react to me getting up or sitting down at the computer. Last night when someone out in the parking lot slammed their car door it said "Boy" and it was a guy, so it was right. Mine doesn't go off a lot though, maybe every half an hour to an hour it might spit out a word. One night it did kind of freak me out, but that could of just been me being hopeful. I haven't seen anything yet that has made me go AHA!!

I havn't done any spirit/psychic work around the computer either though since I got this app. The first night I told my "spirit guides" to go ahead and mess with it. but so far, they have been quiet, and personally, I prefer it that way.

Darkblade71, thanks for that as it never entered my head to copy\paste it in.

Something else I have noticed is that twice now when I have left GR running and left the room for a while, it has become more active, once on my phone and several days ago on my Xoom tablet when it had been busy saying 151 words in approximately 3 and a half hours, most of that time I wasn't present as I'd gone off and forgot it was running. Darkblade71 you could try the same with your PC program and notice if there is any difference when left unattended.

I'm still looking forward to the explanation of my standout experience with GR as outlined in my previous posts. No names, places etc just three relevant words at a precise moment.

reply to post by Kaspar


Easy enough for a random program + an open mind.
The three seemingly random words are related and the program is able to generate related words.
It's spring time and with access to your GPS the phone was able to tell you were outside.
In the spring ants become more active, and depending on recent local weather can be more active than normal.
Using an algorithm they can look for related words and phrases.
Ants generally return, they are a nuance pest and return again and again.
Throw in a verb, or a name that sounds like a verb and you have a set of 3 words.

The words were random completely random.
The program was designed to take advantage of our willingness to believe.

You even said most of the words were making no sense to you.
That's how the program works, most of the random guesses don't make sense to people.
When it does, oh boy! we get all excited and tell our friends that we had this amazing experience.

It's a numbers game for the program writers, they don't care how many times they miss.
It's the hits we remember and make a big deal of.

Our phones simply can't do what they are doing with just a program.
Could a spirit hijack the program, probably but it would most likely drain the batteries, give you an uneasy feeling and other paranormal evidence such as temperature change, sounds etc... would be present.


The words are a random generator that pick up data from things like the GPS, and depending on the program the mic and other sources.

reply to post by Kaspar


Hi Kaspar,
I don't think your G.R. 'ant' experience is a coincidence either, as I have had too many of that type with my own.

In spite of some very good technical analysis about the alledged sophistication of this program from others here (thanks Pigraphia and others), I still think there exists something of a part-time paranormal factor, whereby 'outside' influences are able to occaisionally reach 'inside' our reality to briefly communicate via the sensitivity of this App.

I understand the nature of coincidence, but I have also lived long enough to have learned that there also exists a realm called 'beyond coincidence'.

Most recent experience with the G.R.:
Last night, we were outside on the deck enjoying the beautiful warm night; we live on property surrounded by thick woods with a river running through a ravine in the back of our property. The sound of frogs croaking was overwhelming when I turned on the G.R....and the first word out of the machine was "Frog"!...

I can't explain that, unless someone is now going to tell me that this program ALSO has an individual sound recognition and response database from which to pull. I can't imagine that this App could be that elaborate and sophisticated for this purpose...If so, these software developers should be working for NASA or the CIA, rather than 'Spud-Pickles Inc.'

Anyway, when we went back in the house ( just as I was passing the threshold) the machine said my first name "Thomas"---This was odd, because if you read my original post, you will see that it was at that exact same place (going out, rather than in) that the machine FIRST spoke my name "Thomas".

Going inside and upstairs to bed (with G.R. still on...but now quiet), I passed my son on the stairway and seeing the G.R. in my hand, he asked "Did you get anything good on the Ghost Radar?"....Immediately in response to his question, the thing came back to life and answered "YES"!

Coincidence?...or 'Beyond?

Originally posted by Pigraphia
reply to post by Kaspar

 

Our phones simply can't do what they are doing with just a program.
Could a spirit hijack the program, probably but it would most likely drain the batteries, give you an uneasy feeling and other paranormal evidence such as temperature change, sounds etc... would be present.

Never had an usneasy feeling at any time in my house, either when testing GR or not but when I used it on my phone (HTC Desire) it ate the battery faster than any other app before or since. The last few times I have used it on my Xoom tablet which has much longer battery life and is has been on charge at the time so hard to tell with that device.

Thanks for the input but I have to wonder at the odds of such coincidences in these 'standout' hits on GR ? And is it really so precise as to recognise we pass through our doors from outside to indoors ? The timing of the app was just too incredible for me but to wonder how. I intend to try and spare more time soon to test it again and will duly post my findings.

reply to post by Kaspar


When I say battery drain I mean severe drain such as what paranormal investigators experience.
New fresh batteries dead in under 30 min, replace them and the replacements die.

Apps eat battery power in general, "draw something" kills my battery.
I'm talking about full battery and then dead within one session.

As for the door, most phone GPS devices are accurate to within 1-2 yards so a doorway might be possible.
I also chalk it up to coincidence.

Just thought I'd give an update, I have yet to receive a reply from my last email I sent to the developer of the Ghost Radar App (shown in this post). The initial reply I received was rather prompt, the developer did mention his time is very limited so...

If a reply is ever received, I will post it.

reply to post by UberL33t


Speaking as someone who does customer service and moderation for a living.
You just got a polite blow off.

They could look into this thread as you suggested they do, but in my experience they won't.

It's just not advantageous, any answer they give will leave some happy and others not.