Does anyone support Obama or Romney??

See I never understood the whole "lesser of two evils" argument during elections. The Democrats will say "if you don't vote at all you're giving a vote to the Republicans". And the Republicans will say "if you don't vote at all you're giving a vote to the Democrats". I say nonsense! There's no law saying I HAVE to vote for someone. And if I choose not to vote for anyone then I'm not voting for anyone.

Originally posted by MsAphrodite

Mitt Romney donated his inheritance from his father. His money is self made.

Half right...

His father passed in 1995, when Mitt was 48 years old and had already prospered greatly from the wealth and contacts his father (Millionaire Gov. of Michigan) provided him. By then what was left of his fathers money was chump-change to him.

Willard Mitt Romney was named after the families closest friend Willard J. Marriot, founder of Marriot hotels.

Private School, Stanford, then Harvard, then Daddy making some calls to find Mittens a job. Self-made?? Depends on your definition I guess.

Originally posted by Apollo7

I cant even afford insurance! It cost me 320.00 a month at work to cover me and my son. I only make 10.24 an hour. I usually have to pull an extra 26 hours in overtime in a two week period to survive. I cant even afford to go to the Dentist. I pay for dental but it is seperate. I work in the healthcare field and even I dont want healthcare insurance. It makes me angry that I have to pay so much, when I make nothing. I have a very Bio-hazard Job! My job comes with such major risks, its just not really worth it. The only issue that I disagree with is the Obama Health Care. I do not think that you should be able to force people to get insurance! If we are forced, this should be based on income level. My personal opinion- Everyone should have free health insurance!

There are those making more than you and they want YOU to pay for THEIR family's insurance. There is no adjustable rate except those he exempted from paying but not for receiving health care.

If you like the way this country is going, don't vote. Obama is counting on those who are discouraged to not vote. If you consider him one of two evils, do you like the evil you have or would you hope for another change? I am saying Romeny is not a socialist. If you like socialism, don't vote. Lack of Republican votes will end up being considered a mandate for Obama even if he receives less than a majority of votes from eligible voters. To re-elect him, would give him "more flexibility" to turn this country off, not around.

I am not satisfied with the devil I have. I would rather have a different devil. Let's not forget, Romney shut down Bain Capitol to look for a lost child. I know he has a heart, whether people believe it or not. For every person who says Romeny got rich off the back of the poor, I can say he offered employment. Buying and selling companies benefits the shareholders who spend money back into the economy. People lost their jobs. How many people has Obama unemployed? I don't see the general welfare clause in the Constitution as being permanent welfare. We all have a responsibility to take care of ourselves the best we can. Not everybody can be rich. Not everybody can be employed under capitalism. That is capitalism. Not everybody can be supported on socialism. The money has got to come from somewhere.

As long as I am ranting, I am going to rant about why this country is in decline. It is the unions. Plain and simple. We were a manufacturing giant in the world. It was our industrial base that won WWII, Nobody saw the impact our industrial base would have when we were attacked. Now unions demanded 40 bucks an hour to put in headlights on new cars. Look at Detroit now. It is a slum. Unions demanded 40 bucks an hour for working in the steel mills. Look at Pittsburg and Gary. They are slums. Our industries could not afford to complete in a world market. Unions had their time when they were needed. Now they are not. Not yet. Maybe in the future but not now.

You may not like your job but if you have a job, are you willing to go on welfare or unemployment or do you have the self respect to keep working and looking?

Now, we send everything to China or other places to make out products and perform our sevices. People would rather wait for an unemployment check or meager union unemployment than work. When we get rid of the unions, when we get rid of corporate cheats, when we get rid of the Fed and when we get rid of hedge funds, we can get back on track. Not even Ron Paul is willing to fight the unions. Obama gave away General Motors to the unions. Unions stopped Boeing from moving along with Obama's support. How are we supposed to compete in the world market when our products are too expensive to make? We can't buy luxuries on an unemployment check.

We have to get back to basics. The housing bubble burst. Houses are more affordable now than when the Dems took over Congress in 2008. Cars are not. Government is not going to give these people money to buy a house anymore when they can't afford it. Companies can't afford to expand. We can't make competitive steel or cars anymore. We have the highest tax rate in the world. No wonder all the companies have left. We can get them back if we are willing to compete.

What sacrifice is to be made for working for a lesser wage than being on welfare or waiting for a meager unemployment check?

P.S. I belonged to a union. Now, I think they betrayed me.

PPS. It was capitalism that made this country the strongest in the world.
It was socialism that brought down Commnist Russia and the Iron Curtain.
Think about that when you decide not to vote or waste your vote on someone who has no possibility of winning.

End of Rant. Sorry

I couldn't in good conscience support either one of them, they are nothing but a politician, which is a four letter word in my book. And Romney, good lawd that man looks like a slime ball used car salesman! I'm not a fan of any politician though, the level of sleeze and corrupt it takes to get to president is disgusting. I like Douglas Adam's quote

“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

I am thoroughly convinced this is all theater, TPTB will not allow democracy, this has been proven time and again. It doesn't matter who I support or who I vote for. George Carlin once again said it best: "..the owners of this country know the truth -- it's called the American Dream ... 'cuz you have to be asleep to believe it."

reply to post by yoyoyoyo


Honestly, if anyone has half a brain they don't support any politican. That's why I don't vote. When Obama was running against Cain I registered to vote and never voted. Some person (from the obama campaign) came to my house and was basically trying to get me to go out and vote for Obama. I told him I don't care who wins, my vote doesn't matter anyways...goodbye.

I think if given another term and the opportunity to try to make good on what he promised, or to be held accountible to those promises already made, things will improve if Obama's re-elected..

What frightens me most, however, is when the right wing "conservatives" grab hold of power again, which they will eventually.

That said, my main concern with Obama is that he hasn't repealed a single law or Executive power added under Bush/Cheney, and has not closed down Guantanamo Bay from which they are certainly running double-agent CIA sting operations, with newly recruited controlled assets.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


About gitmo , I heard the prisoners are rioting... Guess it's just another prison...

anyways off topic...


So far I think I've counted 1 Obama supporter and 1 Romney supporter. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

reply to post by yoyoyoyo

I didn't say I was a supporter, more of a somewhat apprehensive realist with little or no choice in the matter, which is true since I'm not even an American citizen!

I don't like Obama's elitist attitude, or the fact that he hasn't rallied the American people around any sort of vision, the way that JFK was able to do. Obama's just too self serving for my taste, but time will tell ie: the pressure is on him to make good on his campaign promises and the whole hope and change "meme" he spun last time.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Haha sorry didn't mean you for the one supporter, I meant muse007 on the first page.

I am anti-Obama

reply to post by Nite_wing


They are both bought and paid for by the same masters and both are for Big Government and less Freedom for us.
I'll vote with my conscious, not for the lesser evil, and that would be Ron Paul. The gravy train needs to end for Corporate Welfare, The Military Industrial Complex and Wall Street.

With those fascists out of the way, a lot of the problems we are experiencing would fade away because more power would be given back to the small corporations and business of this country, whom employ the majority of people in this country anyway, as well as less taxes for the average person to pay.

This would bring down a lot of the welfare people depend on in this country because of the Mega Corporations and Financial Institutions strangle hold on our government and their economic foreign policies that are killing us.
It is no coincidence that Food Stamp usage and welfare in general is up in record numbers due to this crisis.
It is not because people all of a sudden decided to get lazy as the shills try to say, but because of the policies in place.

If a company fails, do you blame the workers are the CEO running the show. Before anyone says, people have an equal say in the government, so they are just as responsible, this is not true, because Freedom of Speech = money, and the Large Corporations and Financial Institutions have more money, so they have more Power and a Bigger Voice.

If people are tired of the welfare the average citizen is on, then just like a company, you change the policies at the top that are responsible for it. Since the Mega Corporations and Wall Street can buy our government, their policies are the cause for where we are at.

Obama Campaign Contributions
University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295


Romney Campaign Contributions
Goldman Sachs $564,580
JPMorgan Chase & Co $400,675
Bank of America $364,850
Morgan Stanley $363,550
Credit Suisse Group $316,160
Citigroup Inc $286,015
Kirkland & Ellis $235,802
Barclays $229,650
PricewaterhouseCoopers $208,750
HIG Capital $191,000
Wells Fargo $183,100
UBS AG $182,500
Blackstone Group $179,550
Bain Capital $151,500
EMC Corp $129,200
Citadel Investment Group $125,625
Bain & Co $122,800
Elliott Management $118,475
Sullivan & Cromwell $108,650
Ernst & Young $104,750

Romney for Big Government


Romney gets owned by Radio Host - More Big Government

reply to post by Carseller4

Doesn't eat dogs.

No, he straps them onto the top of his car when he goes driving down the highway.

reply to post by yoyoyoyo


no.

Ron Paul..

but I am curious to see the responses..

to bad ATS doesnt have poll you could set up in a thread..

the 2 party paradigm is a joke, a smoke screen. untill it fails or we make it fail, there will always be chaos and war and poverty for the masses. someone like Paul is probably the only real hope but the american media have buried him. what a waste. even from here in the uk i can see its a missed opportunity. a bloody shame really.
if the cycle were broken we would all have to follow, and pull out our troops and take a good hard look at this fractured corrupt system of central banks and corporate interests running the show.
peace.

So what I've realized from the replies is most people are awakening to the fact that the two party system is a two party control system...

I'm glad I see few romney and obama supporters... It means more people are waking up to the constant lies being shoved down their throat...

Ron Paul all the way... He's the only presidential person available to us. He's a real leader... He's calling for spending cuts , want's us to turtle up and stay out of foreign affairs... He doesn't work for the bankers or the military industry.

Ron Paul is the only potential leader that can get us out of the mess we are in now. IMO

He would change the drug laws, and make our country prosperous again. Ron Paul being elected in the USA could save the world for real.

No one support's these guys... Welcome to the real world my friends.

Ron Paul all the way... I see no Obama or Romney supporters...

I don't think it really matters who is president, because the president is only a front man for TPTB. But, I like Obama. I like his cool, young attitude. I like what he represents about the US, as opposed to what Romney represents.

Obama came from minimal circumstances, he represents the American dream, no matter how phony that actually is. Romney is Daddy War Bucks.

Obama is cool like Mr. Peanut,

Romney is the Monopoly man.