Has the secret to Starlite been lost forever?

It really is too bad if starlite went the way of the dodo. It's a unique and possibly revolutionary product that could have really changed the game in lots of areas.

I first thought about a blend of toothpaste and antifreeze, but when heated - the evaporation of water from the paste could be a problem.

But then; I have have no chemical skills what so ever, perhaps a mix of aluminium trihydrate and glycerin would be a wiser choice...

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by Talltexxxan

 

Since writing this post ive been wondering if this stuff was just TO good to let loose on the world. If TPTB worked out that this could be made very easily then they might decide that it would just to easy for other more volatile countries to copy and use for themselves.

This was my first thought. There is way too much evil for this to be available, from foreign and domestic threats.

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This wasn't a case of the governments or millitary being greedy, at least not this time. Mr. Wade was the greedy party.

He wanted to be the most wealthy person on earth or otherwise earth could get stuft...

He took it to the grave out of spite and may have cost the lives of millions that could have been saved with the material. The millitary applications are far less than the civilian ones for something like this.

Firefighters for one, could work much closer to wildfires and more efficiently without restrictions imposed by the heat.. Just imagine if this stuff had been released prior to Black Saturday here in Victoria, Australia!! All those people who died horribly, may still be alive today, not to mention the hundreds that still live in torment because of theior own injuries or lost loved ones.

Only one person to blame for the loss of this material and it isn't any secret governemtn organisation this time round..!!

There would be

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F&S Great find! But, what was all that noise about in the clip?

I actually don't blame this guy for being stubborn. I think it might be less about the actual amount of money involved, and more about the fact that he would have been taken advantage of severely. He should have gotten a few investors willing to put up some cash and manufactured it himself after patenting it. If it is that good, he'd have all kinds of customers.

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I like how everyone is blaming this guy for 'witholding' the formula etc..but no one questions the arrogance or manipulation of Boeing et al - groups we know are viscious corps who dont have our best interests at heart and who could have simply given this man 51% share and allowed him to retain control over HIS intellectual property.

But no..they wanted everything ..all control..all power to f*ck humanity over with this new invention or to hide it and withhold it themselves..from everyone. They didnt want to play ball..didnt like some regular joe person using their own tactics against them and THAT is why we dont have this..not because of the inventor who DID offer it...and just wasnt willing to get screwed over for it......and maybe that is for the best..the military is dangerous enough as it is..cammo drones that cant be killed is too terminator for me and is so not a possibility I like Boeing to explore.

I say good luck to him and his family..keep the discovery for a more enlightened time.


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I remember watching this "Starlite" on Tomorrows World (UK TV program) as a kid.
They did a live demonstration of its insulating properties.

www.youtube.com...

Limbo

Thanks for bringing up Starlite -- it's one of those incredible substances you hear of and then, like an old child actor, you wonder; "what are they doing now?"

Other than some kind of near perfect energy transmitting substance (like a super conductor -- which would be even more interesting at room temp and would have show magnetic properties), or perhaps a new double-bonding molecular structure that is super tough (but it would probably also make it super strong -- which Starlite wasn't) -- the most LIKELY way this substance could have worked (my guess), is very much like Ablative armor.

Instead of making something super heat resistant -- you COULD make something slightly volatile but in a useful way. When heat is directed at the surface, it might LOSE one molecule easily while retaining the rest. The ejected molecule would be given all the excess heat.

That wouldn't make it NON useful -- that would just mean that the super heat resistance wouldn't last FOREVER -- and I'm not sure how long the tests lasted. I figure it might last even up to a month depending on how fast molecules would have to be ejected. So you could make coatings for shuttles, missiles, and fire outfits -- but not use it in a blast furnace.

Oh holy sh*t batman!

I've invented a new material that could benefit mankind inmensely!!
The uses could be endless!! Oh my!

And now I'm going to.....keep it a secret.

The benefits of something like this far outweigh any excuse to keep it secret.
The way I see it the inventor did more harm than good by keeping it secret.
God forbid someone makes a little money off of it. I guess entering the history books (immortality)
wasn't good enough for him. Fail.

I'm not surprised NASA and Boeing couldn't afford this kind of tech.

I am surprised that a company like 3M hadn't jumped onto this and simply bought him out.

This seems right up their alley.

S&F

He has my respect - and I'm a victim of what he feared.

I've invented a "Passive Desalination Pump" but was told by legal council that I'd dare not tell anyone how - or the little I got left would become a slavery-scale law-suit debt.

What pisses me off about it is the BILLIONS of people who could use the technology to survive.

Maybe I should have just blogged it but I had already signed an agreement that my ideas belonged to them ... and now I got nothing for it.

Everyone is assuming it is greed, but there is another possibility to explain the inventor's hesitance to make a deal to release this product. Maybe he knew that it would not go to benefit mankind, and would be snatched up by the military industrial complex for use in covert programs, and would make a lot of money for a lot of undeserving people.

I know this is difficult to fathom, since the product would have great uses for civilians, especially regarding protection and prevention, but what if he honestly thought that the product would never get out to the public? Even if he patented it, or got the legal rights to it, it makes no difference because the military industrial complex still would have gotten a hold on it, despite it being patented. They have done this in the past, because they CAN, and no one will stop them...At least not the military. And one would really be foolish to try to beat them in their arena, as they've been doing it for so long.

I do not know if this was his reasoning, but it sounds better than simply being greedy. If it was about money, I highly suspect that he would have relinquished all rights by just selling it outright for a huge sum of money. The government of the US would have snatched it up, and if not, some American company would have offered top dollar for the rights to the formula. I do find it hard to believe that a sample was never obtained by the government/military during one of the test sessions, or by breaking into his workshop or something.

So maybe the material is being used in covert projects, on covert aircraft and for Seal Team 6...In Howard Wasdin's book, which tells about when he was a member of ST6, he stated that ST6 were the first to get any new gadgets or innovations that came along, probably those developed by DARPA...And they test a lot of weird, cool stuff. It just baffles me if it is true that no one has been able to independently develop something of this nature...Especially an organization with the resources like DARPA have.

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If you look at my post in the previous page, there is someone else developing this technology already, and was developed about 10 years later than the first guy.

Another thing that he could have done is, if you realize that no one will benefit from your discovery because of government or whatever, and you know that you can't do anything on your own, why not release it for free to all the world? through the internet, to all your friends, print some simple sheets with the formula and development process and hand it out to as much people as possible, give away the formula by surprise on a tv show, he was on a tv show demoing the tech, why not go again and this time give away the formula and all that? he died anyway, what's to lose? someone else who knows the details will probably sell it for a few millions and live a good life after that, meanwhile the world will not benefit at all.

But who knows, maybe everyone was intimidated to keep them quiet, but since there is other guy out there doing a very similar thing, it doesn't sound that likely.

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i can already see some interesting stuff on that table. if i remember rightly, back on that tomorrows world show he said it contained a common compound found in shampoo's, or used a popular shampoo such as head and shoulders and the rest was organic ( are we talking veggies?) .

another point to make, is if he ordered chemicals, there would be a paper trail and they would know which chemicals he ordered frequently and where from and in what quantity, also how easy would it be for MI5/MI6 to follow him in supermarkets, DIY stores, garden centres etc without being noticed, writing down everything he bought. would he know hes being watched at home or outside? , who he meets? , his post tracked ?, bugged house? internet/ mail order tracked? i doubt it. Unless he had an armed army of bodyguards surrounding his house and him 24/7 his secret would not have been for long, sadly.

so his secret ingredients and maybe the formula was most likely known decades ago. like an earlier post, if nasa couldnt have ligit, then no-one will have it legit,except nasa, after he died, no patent in UK no patent in the US, no patent in any other international territory, nor any trademarks. How would his family know if his secret formula is being used already? remember if its that good, it will be top mf secret, so how would the family sue? claim rights? or collect lost revenue?

????

Under tests Starlite withstands attack by a laser beam producing a temperature of 10,000 degrees Celsius (18,032 degrees Fahrenheit).

The sun's surface is only 5,500 °C or about 9,900 °F.

You could lay on the sun with this and not feel a thing.... Amazing.

ETA and yes future trolls, I know there's other things to consider like the vacuum of space, murderous gravitational force, the fact the sun is plasma and you can't "lay" on it, etc.

I'm just saying if heat were the only factor then you could.

Way to go Maurice, at least if you go to hell it will come in handy, the only thing I like to invest in is a coffin coffee table makes great storage, good conversation piece and you can take it with you when you go.

Just think in the shoes of a money hungry corporation.

Why spend millions getting less than half the rights of this new technology when he can be tortured into spilling the beans and then being killed by 'natural' causes for a fraction of the price?

Plus after that theres no maverick left to give this technology to any government willing to pay.

Just my 2cents.

reply to post by reitze


What exactly is a "Passive Desalination Pump"?

Originally posted by jbmitch
You really think he is dead,,,rather co-incidental..humm how well documented was his furneal ,,abduct him and get it for free...just a fake death,,was he cremated,,no way to check the remains,,,no it isnt lost ,,sort of to the public but not to the defense contractor world he and his invention are most likely doing well.

If this was his fear then it's quite possible that that is exactly what happened to him.

Interesting story op good job,
one has to wonder why he wanted so much AND why they didn't accept, if it was that life changing.... ?