Waking Up

Here's a thought that works for me, when I think about these things, OP.

For the Ego mind (which a the counter to the awake mind), the Ego cannot live in the Now, the Present. It resides in thoughts of the past, or future. Neither are actually real, only the NOW is real. Negativity as literal food for itself which of course is counter to what you seek by being positive and thinking/living positive. We can acknowledge that bad things and negative things happen in our lives and they will, but if we come to terms with those things as experience that the higher-Self within us brings to us to learn and grow from, we can do more with it than what the Ego can. The Ego will seek to derive those experiences (past) into a negative thought-form pattern that self-feeds, and grows. This can never happen if we live in the Now.

By always living in the present we can absolve the Ego / negative field of any real power over who and what we really are.

That is what waking up is all about. How it happens (a book, a wild experience, through meditation, etc.) is unimportant. It is the realization that past and future are not what should drive your life. the Present is it. And Presence only lives when Ego checks itself at the door.

reply to post by ZeroReady


Once you achieve love, that is when you leave the physical World, since there is nothing else to achieve here. Have you ever heard of higher dimensions/higher levels of vibration?

Originally posted by ZeroReady
reply to post by xZodiacx

 

Wait wait wait...Famine, Disease, Corruption, Lies, Killing, Natural Disasters, Torture, Hunger were all created by us?! So if it weren't for all our negative emotions the lions would lay with the lambs, nothing would ever have to die, tornadoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes would all stop?


How can you have a universe with nothing but good and love in it? There is no love without hate, no life without death, no black without white. If you abolish one, the other one goes with it.

The thought-form of hate, and death are not congruous with living in the present. Hate is an illusion, death is an illusion. Being present (living in the Now, awake and aware) is love.

Think about thought-forms for a little while, about that concept of what consciousness is. Think about what karma is, and what powers the world we live in today. Meditate on these things, and what they really mean.

Bad things still happen, but what I'm saying (and I believe the OP is saying as well) is by not creating the thought-form of these things, and by not dwelling upon them (which is impossible by living in the Now), he is not bringing them into his being and not radiating it to his surroundings. And that's one less negative thought-form generator on the Earth that creates one less self-feeding negative thought-form creation.

Make sense?

apathy
ap·a·thy
[ap-uh-thee]
noun
1. absence or suppression of passion, emotion, or excitement.
2. lack of interest in or concern for things that others find moving or exciting.

I do not let the naysayers get me down because that would upset me and why think about something that is going to upset me?

Anytime I drive somewhere here in Hawaii I see dozens and dozens of homeless people. They are everywhere. More than in any other place I've lived. It really started to upset me to see all these people living on the streets.

I started volunteering at a homeless shelter 3 or 4 days a week. If I tell all these people I see to just forget about the fact that they're homeless and hungry, forget about the diabetes most of them have, forget that they can't get medication they need, are their problems going to go away? Do you think they can just stop thinking about all the crap they have to deal with?

Should I have just forgotten my anger at the state for letting these people die in streets? If I hadn't been so mad, I probably wouldn't have gone to the shelter the first time to help out.

I'm not trying to sound self-righteous here, and I realize I'm already the bad guy on this thread, but come on! You have to see that just not thinking about problems isn't going to fix anything. Yeah you may happy and secure because you've forgotten that life isn't fair, you've forgotten that we aren't entitled to anything, you've forgotten what it means to struggle to survive. But a lot of other people aren't just going to stop thinking about their problems.

Good post, op. Welcome aboard, too. My path was different, but felt similar as you described. If not already, after a while it shouldn't take much effort to avoid negative thoughts. Now for me, a negative thought is rare enough to where it really jumps out at me and turns into some introspection searching for the source and reason for it. I've really learned like this. Your original op resonated very well from my side, so honestly, congratulations. I completely understand how you feel.

And don't worry about the haters on here. Haters gonna hate.

Originally posted by ZeroReady
Call yourself awake and you still believe in fairy tales? An all powerful, all knowing, omniscient being made of love, with the entire universe to busy himself with, cares about your happiness, and wants to make sure you have all the candy you could ever want? People use the term "Awake" pretty liberally here.

Well, I did what I thought was the most logical thing: simply do not think about bad things.

Yes, that is probably the best solution to the worlds problems. If we all just forget about them they will go away.

But his positive output will be good for those around him so he is not wrong that his actions are for the betterment of man. And I do also feel that we have very broad defenition of awake on ATS.

So the question is. What symptombs do the person have in his body since it is easiest to quantify:
1 The bliss - Where the brains reward system is changed in the body so that when the mind stops thinking the human start smiling because he/she feels so good physicly.

2 The push on the middle of the forehead - Also called the third eye.

3 The feeling of crown chakra. Some people have a crown opening suddenly and can open up chakras up to down instead och down to up that is normal. I know some longterm meditators will not like me writing this but not everybody gets an opened crown chakra the same way. This can be described as the cap that can be felt on the head. At times it can feel like a caress from something invisable. Being enlightened is having an opened crown chakra and feeling the light. You might not be wise and might not even understand the true nature of god just because you have it.

4 Feeling of other chakra points/Increased feeling of body. Different people have digfferent degree of feeling and it changes over time. Meditation of sorts can help. Do what is easy for you.

5 Synchronicity that is what the op is experiancing in my point of view. Things happen around you that do not make sense and you are guided and helping other people by your existance. The 11:11 phenomenon is something that some people notice.

Being awake/enlightened or reborn can be significant but is still not the end of the journey/goal. It is a continuation or start of your learning/evolution. We all get it in the end. It is not a race and everybody have their own road to walk and how can you judge what road is the better.

Please contibrute if I have missed some awakening symptombs that you want added. Above is from my point of view and I really do not know all things since I am still trying to understand it myself.

I use both negative and positive emotions to change my surrounding and make people think. But I have the viewpoint of the perfectionist and I am pushing my surrounding towards it.

Here is a video for the people who wanna see a theory on how the brain physicly works in crown chakra openings. It has both the slow enligtenment and the sudden. vimeo.com...

Originally posted by LeftySinister

Originally posted by ZeroReady
Call yourself awake and you still believe in fairy tales? An all powerful, all knowing, omniscient being made of love, with the entire universe to busy himself with, cares about your happiness, and wants to make sure you have all the candy you could ever want? People use the term "Awake" pretty liberally here.

Well, I did what I thought was the most logical thing: simply do not think about bad things.

Yes, that is probably the best solution to the worlds problems. If we all just forget about them they will go away.

"Awake" refers to a person becoming aware of a deeper level of understanding. It's not the same for everybody. So really your "liberal applications" of the word "Awake" are really just a sampling of the variety and uniqueness of humanity.

If the OP experienced his awakening in this way, who are you to discredit him? What makes you more awake than him? And who gave you the one and only correct definition of Awake? Why are you attacking him and trying to bring him down for sharing something with us? These are not the actions of an "Awake" person. Perhaps you should go back to the drawing board and try waking up for real this time.

The problem in this disccussions is that it is our ego and mind that are having the discussions and it can be influenced by the current mood of the person writing it so I cannot really judge if the person behind is more awake ot not than the other one and really I do not care at all who is the most awake. Competing in awakeness is idiotic from my point of view. I can only judge the message and it is the message/idea that is important on these threads not the messenger.

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I would love to give you a great big pat on the back for a well written post and the mature attitude to life that you have.

Yes our moods can have a direct effect on the moods of people around us . Keep up with the positivity you are expressing.

Good luck to you , my friend

DP

Originally posted by ZeroReady
reply to post by xZodiacx

 

So I guess if Martin Luther King had just stopped thinking about civil rights because it made him sad, then god would have removed racism from the world.

Or maybe Gandhi should have just stopped thinking about his entire country being oppressed. That would have solved everything I'm sure.

Do you see where I'm going with this? We can't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend we're separate from the universe around us.

Some people will be used as a bigger tool and effect change in a big way. Some will do smaller things and effect the surrounding they can handle. Please do not judge somebody that does a difference in a smaller way because that work does also need to be done. The big ones that are shown are always surrounded by people behind the scenes that are supporting them. They are the symbol of the idea that people can gather around. But it is a group effort in the end where many make change happen. Fix what you can one thing at a time and do not lose hope that someday all wiill be fixed.

reply to post by apushforenlightment


The only thing that needs fixing is wrong seeing. Nothing 'out there' can be fixed.
The world is supposed to be mad. There is only one sanctuary and it is hidden from sight.
It cannot be seen because it is what is seeing.
You are the seer, look directly at what is seeing and you will know peace.

Hold on to the sense 'I am'.
youtu.be...

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by apushforenlightment

 

The only thing that needs fixing is wrong seeing. Nothing 'out there' can be fixed.
The world is supposed to be mad. There is only one sanctuary and it is hidden from sight.
It cannot be seen because it is what is seeing.
You are the seer, look directly at what is seeing and you will know peace.

Hold on to the sense 'I am'.
youtu.be...

edit on 21-4-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

The world is supposed to be mad at this moment yes to teach us a lesson that need to be learned. But it will not be mad when enought of us awake. If I wanted only good things for myself and was ego then I could have left long ago.

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You say you would have left by now, where is it that you would have gone to?

reply to post by apushforenlightment


The world looks mad to you until you wake up and see the joke. No one else has to wake up for you to see the joke.

Some people are waiting for the 'world' to wake up. They hope that when the 'world' wakes up all the problems will disappear. What they should be doing is finding out 'who' has a problem.
If you see problems then it is you who has a problem.
The 'world' is no more than a light show, a movie. It is so diverse it is a wonder. There is everything you could possibly think of, it is amazing but people don't like it that way. They want to change the 'world'. They like to 'think' that they are God because they think they can do it better, they think God got it wrong!!

What is seen is the glory of God.
Can the seer of this glory be seen?
Look to the seer first and the 'world' will change.
Take the beam out of your own eye.

Originally posted by ZeroReady
reply to post by xZodiacx

 

So I guess if Martin Luther King had just stopped thinking about civil rights because it made him sad, then god would have removed racism from the world.

Or maybe Gandhi should have just stopped thinking about his entire country being oppressed. That would have solved everything I'm sure.

Do you see where I'm going with this? We can't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend we're separate from the universe around us.

foolish remarks. OP is stating a principle that may be followed. not a solution.............................. troll elsewhere

Originally posted by xZodiacx


Yes, God may work in mysterious ways, but he never hates, for love is all God knows. Now this is where I see a lot of people getting caught up. They ask: If God does not hate, then why is there so much bad in the World? And people BLAME GOD. This is what just absolutely baffles me about the general population when it comes to their views of God.

edit on 20-4-2012 by xZodiacx because: (no reason given)

I went through the process you did, also read the CWG series. Rather than taking any one source as the final answer, my views havebeen formed by pulling out the peices that make sense from each. The peice that made sense from the CWG books for me was that its all cause and effect. This lines up well, in my mind, with the idea of karma. There is, IMO, no god that as you say "doesnt hate anybody". in fact, the book you speak of maintains that there is no good or evil. "Bad" things happen. You cant have "good" without bad, love without hate etc. Its all just two poles of the same thing. (Alan Watts talks about this). Its all about the self(your god), creating so that it can experience itself. IMO

The journey is never over. I wont be glued to my position and reserve the right to change my point of view.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by xZodiacx


Yes, God may work in mysterious ways, but he never hates, for love is all God knows. Now this is where I see a lot of people getting caught up. They ask: If God does not hate, then why is there so much bad in the World? And people BLAME GOD. This is what just absolutely baffles me about the general population when it comes to their views of God.

edit on 20-4-2012 by xZodiacx because: (no reason given)

I went through the process you did, also read the CWG series. Rather than taking any one source as the final answer, my views havebeen formed by pulling out the peices that make sense from each. The peice that made sense from the CWG books for me was that its all cause and effect. This lines up well, in my mind, with the idea of karma. There is, IMO, no god that as you say "doesnt hate anybody". in fact, the book you speak of maintains that there is no good or evil. "Bad" things happen. You cant have "good" without bad, love without hate etc. Its all just two poles of the same thing. (Alan Watts talks about this). Its all about the self(your god), creating so that it can experience itself. IMO

The journey is never over. I wont be glued to my position and reserve the right to change my point of view.

edit on 21-4-2012 by Mike.Ockizard because: (no reason given)

Good and bad are nothing real since it is by viewpoint so it cannot be quantified philosophecly. But there is symbiosis with everything vs parasitic ego destorying you surounding and hurting people around you with your behaviour. The Good vs Evil should be accepted is just a foolish escape from the current state of the world so that the person do not have to act. In my way of thinking it is in fact egoistical in nature. There are those that talk but hide away in idealistic views that have no practical usage and those that act. I might not make much of a differance but at least I can see what I am doing and question my own ideas and behaviour. Since the balance clearly can be off to the extreme parasitic as we have now, you can also have the extreme other side where most parts are egoless and in symbios.

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I know what you mean when you say negative things jump out at you. When you rarely do something negative it will jump out of you especially because there is so much positive that the negative stands out much more prominently. Just the same if you were an evil person and did something good; it would feel strange

reply to post by ZeroReady


I look at it like this Zero. if you do not fully love yourself, how can you love others. I feel as if we SHOULD be selfish...to a point. We have to understand how it feels to be loved by loving ourselves before we can go out and unconsciously help others and be able to understand how to love someone. How could you ever understand how to love somebody when you have never felt how love feels youself? And who better to teach you about love then yourself? We all know and understand the concept of love, but very few people actually have a good grasp of what true unconditional love really is. When humanity tosses the word love around like we do now a days, we lose sense of what it really means...

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I know I understand what your saying by kind of nit-picking the book and taking from it what makes the most sense to me, just as religions surround arround certain passages of the Bible and they are interpreted differently. I flew through the books and will review them to get a better grasp of inner self because I know there I much more I have to learn, but Ihave a question for you guys. Is it ok to be content with my current state of consciousness? Should I feel the need to strive to be EVEN better? I feel so happy with wherer I am at currently that I feel there is not much mroe I can read to help me to get to a higher level of consciousness. I feel like I should just continue with what I have been doing and see where it takes me.