Obamas secret plan to seize Americans land

reply to post by longjohnbritches

Could please expand upon the accusation??
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS THREAD BUT WHEN i SEE SOMETHING LIKE YOUR POST i PUT THE BREAKS ON.
Should I set the emergency or relax???
thanks ljb

He was pointing out the author of the article in the OP is not only a liar (Obama is not seizing "millions of acres") he is also a hypocrite - since he is the same guy who promoted TransCanada's seizure of American land.

The heart of the matter is Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 which seeks to protect ecosystems in the West already in the public trust. This is land that's already owned by the federal or state governments (most of the land is currently designated as National Forests), it only seeks to protect the land from threat posed by energy companies that have in the past raped public lands with little compensation to the government or the people living near it. Remember James Watt? Sen. Coburn is so deep in the back pockets of the energy sector he forgets he supposed to be representing the people of the United States and not some for-profit multinational.

Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009
An act to designate certain land as components of the National Wilderness Preservation System, to authorize certain programs and activities in the Department of the Interior and the Department of Agriculture, and for other purposes.

Title 1 of the law states which National Forests or State Wilderness are included.

So this is not a "land grab" - that is an errant lie from the likes of Coburn and Brian Sussman. The real fraud is letting criminals like these exploit our public lands for their financial gain.

I miss the bush nazi stuff

the "dictator for life" stuff had a good run

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Hi black,
Thanks very much for taking the time.
My apologies to all for being a link idiot.
I was hoping it was a non partisan thing. Guess not.
I look at them all as just one big fat country club.
I am quite familiar with the Fracking fiasco in eastern PA
and have traveled and talked to the folks in western ND.
Interesting name for the pipeline KEYSTONE
I think I read somewhere ND pipeline is nixed.
Well better run before I am tempted to try another link.
thanks again ljb

reply to post by sting130u


Oh yeah, those "big bad lefties" and "communists" are stealing all that land from... the megalithic corporations who routinely rape and pillage your country, leaving vast swathes of poverty, corruption and environmental destruction in their wake.

Aw, boo hoo, poor little rich republican boys can't snatch things up and trash the country without a fight anymore, and it's all because of a black socialist president - right?

I hate both parties with almost a passion. My disdain for politicians of all persuasions gives me energy. But the right-wing are hypocrites beyond belief, and the fact that supposedly free-thinking people buy this BS is perhaps the worst part about it all.

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

 

Bah, that guy sounded like 90% of ATS does these days.

Wow what an oportunity for a guy like ljb to ask WHAT the the heck are you two saying with these one liners??
Are you Dissin ATS??
amazed ljb

Wow, what an opportunity for me to ask why you refer to yourself in the third person?

Are you crazy?

Perplexed, Antonia.

It is my right to make observations when I please.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by sting130u

 

WND and Fox News? Must be true.

Whoops I meant it must be more corporate political propaganda.

Yes, in fact it is true. WND or Fox news has nothing to do with it. Land around Yellowstone has been handed over to the UN as a World Heritage Site, and that is not the only place of course. Radical environmentalists have been involved for decades in declaring lands to be unavailable to humans in order to preserve some kind of wildlife. The World Heritage Foundation is part of that.

Here's a story

The Federal government has been handing huge chunks of American land over to United Nations control, including Yellowstone National Park, Mammoth Caves, the Florida Everglades, and even the Statue of Liberty. A whopping 68% of US National Parks have been handed over to the UN. Designated as "World Heritage Sites", these National Treasures are now fully under the control of The United Nations.

rightcoastconservative.blogspot.com...


And another one

sovereignty.net...

thehill.com...

articles.baltimoresun.com...


Of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg

reply to post by detachedindividual


Corporations? How about private citizens? Your argument is unfounded.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Yes, in fact it is true. WND or Fox news has nothing to do with it. Land around Yellowstone has been handed over to the UN as a World Heritage Site, and that is not the only place of course. Radical environmentalists have been involved for decades in declaring lands to be unavailable to humans in order to preserve some kind of wildlife. The World Heritage Foundation is part of that.

You people and your hysterical misinterpretation of facts.

The UN does not have 'control' of Yellowstone. Being classified as a world heritage site does not take away sovereignty.

en.wikipedia.org...

The United States initiated the idea of combining cultural conservation with nature conservation. A White House conference in 1965 called for a ‘World Heritage Trust’ to preserve "the world's superb natural and scenic areas and historic sites for the present and the future of the entire world citizenry." The International Union for Conservation of Nature developed similar proposals in 1968, and they were presented in 1972 to the United Nations conference on Human Environment in Stockholm. A single text was agreed on by all parties, and the Convention Concerning the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage was adopted by the General Conference of UNESCO on 16 November 1972.

But i'm sure big companies who would love to extract minerals from Yellowstone appreciate your distortions

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


WTF, you're joking right? THIS has you upset? The UN recognizing Yellowstone as a World Heritage site? You know they also designated the Great Pyramid of Egypt a world heritage site, along with Angor Wat, the Barrier Reef, the Great Wall of China, etc., etc., etc. (full list here). This doesn't cost us one shred of our national sovereignty. The UN had no authority to interfere with Afghanistan when it destroyed the Buddhas of Bamiyan, also placed on the Unesco World Heritage list.

You'll excuse me if I'm not suitably outraged at Yellowstone being placed in this illustrious list.

reply to post by stanguilles7


"You people"? I am just one person, making a comment here. Unless by saying you people you mean all the other conservative people who believe in the Sovereignty of our nation, then I will gladly say yes sir I am with all the other America Patriots who are sick and tired of the bogus balogna coming out the tailpipes of environmentalists and other radicals.
Ridiculing me will not make one iota of difference here, as I've plenty more info to back me up. Just because you and others may view humans as parasites to be got rid of doesn't make you right. Worshiping Gaia, the earth goddess doesn't make you and your friends right either. There is plenty of data to show that it has all been a means of instituting a One World Govt with UN control of all resources.
Try reading about UN Agenda 21 and the Millenium Declaration. Do you want to be an uninformed tool of this agenda?

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


And do you care that Communist China destroyed the Buddhist temples in Tibet? That does not mean that Buddhist temples in Tibet belong to the UN.
I've read many of your posts and I can easily see where you are coming from. It's just more socialist/communist/collectivist activism.

Proponents of the UN Heritage Sites say such designations are nothing more than a great “honor” to the nation. They assure us that there is no threat to American sovereignty and that all designated sites remain firmly under control of the United States government.
If true, then the question must be asked, why is an international treaty with the United Nations necessary? The United States has already designated most of the UN Heritage Sites as United States parks or preserved historic sites. The land is already being preserved and protected for AMERICAN heritage purposes. These lands are valuable for their historical significance to this nation. REPEAT: WHY DO WE NEED AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY TO DO WHAT THE UNITED STATES HAS ALREADY DONE FOR ITSELF?

There is strong evidence of close collaboration between the U.S. Park Service and the UNESCO World Heritage Site Committee. There is also strong evidence that the designation of UN World Heritage Sites goes hand in hand with the Administration’s Sustainable Development program. That program is nothing less than a massive federal zoning program that dictates property development on the local level, in the name of protecting the environment. The goal of Sustainable Development is to lock up vast areas of American land, and shield it from private use.
The designation of United Nations’ World Heritage Sites and Biosphere Reserves can and does result in the centralization of policy-making authority at the federal level, particularly by the Executive Branch. Once a UN designation is made and accepted by the Federal Government there is literally no opportunity for private American land owners to dispute it or undo the designation.

Private property rights literally disappear, not only in the officially designated area, but worse, in buffer zones OUTSIDE the designated area

www.canadafreepress.com...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

"You people"? I am just one person, making a comment here. Unless by saying you people you mean all the other conservative people who believe in the Sovereignty of our nation, then I will gladly say yes sir I am with all the other America Patriots who are sick and tired of the bogus balogna coming out the tailpipes of environmentalists and other radicals.

No, when I saw 'you people', I mean people such as yourself who make hysterical and inaccurate claims.
Those people exist on the left and right.

Your claims have been proven untrue. Educate yourself and become a more informed person.

The UN does not have 'control' of Yellowstone. Being classified as a world heritage site does not take away sovereignty.

reply to post by stanguilles7


It is anything but hysterical. I could and probably will say that the declarations of "you people" who think that burning fossil fuels is the cause of all the tornadoes and hurricanes is quite hysterical and untrue. Al Gore is also known to be declaring untrue things, and that evidence that even he doesn't believe his own lies is in his home built right on the ocean.

reply to post by stanguilles7


Not big corporations, just a gold mine owner. And tell me why do you have a problem extracting gold from the land?


This gold mine is on private property but is in the area near Yellowstone

www.nps.gov...

reply to post by stanguilles7

Your claims have been proven untrue

What proof dear friend?

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


All that shows is that this administration is doing things under the radar that get little if any media coverage. It is no surprise that Democrats tend to be the ones for bills such as this.

not to mention the use of such actions to hold up further energy independence by developing our own resources

Title III also prohibits further oil and gas leasing, geothermal leasing, and mining patents in a stretch of the Bridger-Teton National Forest; this provision was based on a bill being crafted by Senator Craig L. Thomas of Wyoming before his death.

en.wikipedia.org...

This right here seems to be the purpose of the administrations land grab efforts, which we know to be true based on his own energy policies and his own words("bankrupt" the coal industry and energy costs "necessarily skyrocket"...and one wonders why any President would want to do that)

Republicans in Congress have recently become more vocal against some of the irrational policies of the Obama Administration, and Senator Jim DeMint (R – SC) is no exception. His op-ed appeared in the Washington Times on Tuesday calling for the White House to stop the incessant land-grabs across the nation. Senator DeMint argues that, aside from bringing large areas of land under federal control for no apparent reason, the land-grab actually takes potential jobs out of the market. Much of the land targeted for government takeover holds great oil and natural gas resources which could provide jobs in the energy industry and a flow of resources from our own American supply. Once those lands become “monuments”, access to those natural resources is limited and in the hands of the federal government. The Senator emphasizes the severity of the government land takeover, saying “This is a nationwide problem. The government currently owns 650 million acres, or 29 percent of the nation's total land.”

The government offers little explanation for the land-grab frenzy, but there are plenty of reasons to oppose it. First and foremost, it is unconstitutional for the government to simply take land from states without compensation. Second, government-controlled land takes away opportunities for development, particularly when it comes to accessing much needed resources. The land designated as “monument” space could have created dozens of employment opportunities – opportunities which will go wasted under the thumb of the federal government.

www.propertyrightsalliance.org...

Being that this President, and former Prez Clinton both are advocates of the UN and their policies it is not surprising at all to see him involved in federal land grabs which take large amounts of land away from the States and out of any reach of production and job stimulation.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


So your argument is we should turn Yellowstone into a giant oil well and mineral mine?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Every administration ever has done things that the press don't really care about... it's the opposite of news...

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So your argument is we should turn Yellowstone into a giant oil well and mineral mine?

No, but they are trying to declare areas around the park in addition, as a buffer zone. Please see my last post on the admin's land grab of other areas.