Mandatory ‘Big Brother’ Black Boxes In All New Cars From 2015

reply to post by ProtectedWitness

As long as you don't break the law, you shouldn't have to worry.

I am so tired of that argument. Do you not understand that people who are doing nothing wrong still don't like to be inspected, spied on and treated like a criminal? Is it too much to ask that our government just leave us the heck alone?

Innocent until proven guilty, not presumed to possibly be guilty but since they are innocent they have nothing to worry about.

Gimme a break. Nobody deserves to know anything about me, the information i share is up to me, not the government to codify into law. What happens if one of these things has a malfunction (you know, like every piece of modern technology has) then what, the innocent person gets screwed anyway, despite the fact that you assure we have nothing to worry about.

I'm afraid to say its already happened here in the UK with young drivers, seeing how fast they travel where they go. also it's a cheep way of getting car insurance here.

So what with Onstar they know everything they want to know anyway . They can listen even if you don't suscribe to the service and they know where your car is 24-7

reply to post by alfa1


I was going to say, mid level and high line cars have had them for years.

It is expensive to pull the information, they tend to only pull it in costly crashes.

In fact a few years ago, I pointed out that if some of the cars parked under the towers on 911 survived, they might be able to get explosion information off the black boxes.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by ProtectedWitness

 

As long as you don't break the law, you shouldn't have to worry.

Do you not understand that people who are doing nothing wrong still don't like to be inspected, spied on and treated like a criminal? Is it too much to ask that our government just leave us the heck alone?

It doesn't say anything about being spied on or treated like a criminal. Where did you come to that irrational conclusion?

If a cop pulls you over, and suspects you have been drinking, they can order a blood alcohol test. If the test shows that you are over the limit, you go to jail.

Same thing applies to a black-box. If you get into an accident, the cop will access your black-box to see if you were being reckless, at fault, and putting people's lives in danger.

They will not be able to access the black-box until they have probable cause. It will fall under basic search and seizure law. You will still be protected by your bill of rights.

reply to post by sageofmonticello


Ya know I'm with you on this one.

Suppose you are watching a car back out down the road. While watching you inadvertantly press the accelerator and speed up, You then notice that you are now speeding and slow back down. Already too late, that moment of inattention to your pressure on the accelerator now costs you for a speeding ticket. The event was accidental, however you are convicted because of a machine.

I learned long ago that everybody who drives speeds sometimes. Even that little old lady in front of you going 15 mph in a 45 zone.

reply to post by ProtectedWitness

It doesn't say anything about being spied on or treated like a criminal. Where did you come to that irrational conclusion?

It is not irrational to think that that this box could be used for any purpose they deem necessary, that is how these things work. The government doesn't trust me, why should I trust it? The government has no right to collect any information on my driving habits. That is me being spied on and being treated like a criminal. Like I said before, what of malfunctions? So now a black box that can malfunction is to be used in place of my honesty.

You will still be protected by your bill of rights.

I am not protected by my bill of rights currently. What world are you living in? Perhaps you can re-read the bill of rights and tell me one right that hasn't been violated by laws?

I understand that you trust the government here. I don't because they have not done anything to prove to me that they are trust worthy. They have violated every right that I hold dear, the last thing they need are new tools to violate more rights.

reply to post by lonegurkha


Exactly. Or say I am on the interstate and I speed up to give space to a person who is merging. Countless examples exist where in everyday driving we inadvertently break one traffic law or another even in the name of safety. Some black box has no ability to judge reasons for our actions.

reply to post by sageofmonticello


I completely agree with you.
With these machines you will be guilty until proved innocent, and if the current trend to use ajudicators for traffic infractions continues you will just be plain guilty. They have to produce revenue to pay their salary and the salaries of the clerks etc.

At least that's how it works here.

That 1967 Harley Sportser.....

You know the one that makes dirty choppy electricity.......its worth money now.

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
The government has no right to collect any information on my driving habits. That is me being spied on and being treated like a criminal. Like I said before, what of malfunctions? So now a black box that can malfunction is to be used in place of my honesty.

Actually yeah, the government does have a right to collect any information on your driving habits. And they already do. As long as you drive on the roads that come from their funding, you have to play by their rules. Data is already being collected by cameras in intersections. News flash... its recording people like you. When you signed up for a driver's license, you gave permission for many of these inquiries. You might not have read the fine print, but its there.

And please think about the development process of a black box. People much smarter, and a lot less narrow minded than you will be developing these devices. They will take into account privacy, public concerns, loop-holes, and statute of limitations beforehand. And if this doesn't take place during production, it absolutely will occur during the testing phase. I can assure you, no one is out to get you. You aren't interesting enough.

Originally posted by Trillium
Hate to tell you this but all electronic igintion vehicle since the 90 have
a memory chip that record this already just not sure off how far back it goes
sec. or min.

this new box may have GPS a year off data

You are incorrect. The year was 1995 for most vehicles. Some had them in 1994.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by alfa1

 

I was going to say, mid level and high line cars have had them for years.

It is expensive to pull the information, they tend to only pull it in costly crashes.

In fact a few years ago, I pointed out that if some of the cars parked under the towers on 911 survived, they might be able to get explosion information off the black boxes.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is not expensive to pull the data. With the correct scanner, it takes about a minute.

In this instance I support the stance, driving is a absolute privilege and in no way a right. This bill has everything to do with the complete disdain and lack of skill so many drivers show on our roads today. It has to do with the constant fraud perpetuated by drivers trying to scam insurance companies. Every single day im on the road it is the rule rather than the exception that people get away with driving like morons and having zero respect for others or the rules of the road and things as simple as basic common sense driving etiquette.

Cop pulls you over saying you were speeding? No more games or lies, the black box won't lie or intimidate you or trick you into admitting something you didn't do, if you were speeding you deserve the ticket. They should put bloody cameras in them as well that watch the driver and store a looping feed of his or her behaviors.

If it's done right it's going to mean cheaper insurance rates and it's hopefully going to evolve into keeping more idiots off the roads. In an ideal world the reign of selfish fools who smoke, eat, drink, read, speed, excessive lane change, put on makeup in their vehicle, ignore posted signs, tailgate, brake check, drive without insurance would lose the privilege and make the roads a safe and efficient place to be.

reply to post by Domo1


What citizens need are dash cameras like cops have so we can film them being illegal too, like when they drive down the road with their cell phones in their hands and then they want to turn around and give you a ticket for doing it when they do the same bs. Car manufacturers need to install our own dash cameras so we can catch the largest criminal organization in america in action.

Now wait for the cash cow to roll out of this.

I can see a speeding ticket generated and mailed to your house every time you go over the limit. How many tickets a day will be printed in the US when people are a few miles over the limit? Millions would be a safe bet.

This could potentially result in taking 100's of millions of dollars out of your pockets...every day.

This is going to be a huge windfall for Big Bro in more ways than one.

Peace

reply to post by ProtectedWitness

their funding

You mean, I am sure OUR funding... Government doesn't generate money, they tax, remember?

Data is already being collected by cameras in intersections.

Yes, and these cameras are also being challenged in court.

When you signed up for a driver's license, you gave permission for many of these inquiries. You might not have read the fine print, but its there.

What fine print are you talking about? I didn't sign anything to get my license? I did pay a fee for the pleasure of sitting at the DMV for 3 hours though. You are talking out of your butt here and you know it.

People much smarter, and a lot less narrow minded than you will be developing these devices.

So now it is my intelligence being questioned? You have no idea who I am or what my credentials are. A+ on showing what a brilliant bigoted person you are. Good job turning to insults. I see you have no facts to hang your hat on, just what you feel and think.

They will take into account privacy, public concerns, loop-holes, and statute of limitations beforehand. And if this doesn't take place during production, it absolutely will occur during the testing phase.

Sure they will. Yea, your right and I am sure you can show me where this is published? Oh you can't? Guess you are just making up more facts now huh?

I can assure you, no one is out to get you. You aren't interesting enough.

Moved from insults to making fun. Gotcha. NO DUH. I know nobody is personally out to get me, I just don't feel it is necessary for the government to have the option.

Everything that you have said to me is coming out of your own thoughts with no source or qualification. Why is it that I should listen to a single word you say? Especially seeing how you can't say anything without insulting and belittling me.

If you want a black box in your car, go get one. What is wrong with me being able to choose for myself if I want one?

there's no more privacy. why you need to have a technology that has absolutely no effect on the function and purpose of a vehicle is beyond common sense.

it'll just add to the cost of the vehicle. the purpose of a car is to get from a to b. a black box is pointless.

why a car has to record where i already know where i'm going or have been doesn't make sense.

why would i need to have recorded that i went to the corner store. unless someone in the future want's or needs that information.

and if they want that info it is to use against you. doesn't america have the 5th amendment right to self-incrimination and wouldn't that info violate that.

i hope this kills the car industry.
really though, there has to be a way to pull it out the car. if man would unite, they can't arrest all of us

That is one reason I love Pre-90's trucks. Lots of space to work on them and No black Boxes. If I do look into getting a new car you could bet your bottom dollar that I would research a way to remove or disable the Black Box before I buy it. The next big thing since unlocking your smart phones. . . Unlocking your car! (Some pun intended)