I have first-hand knowledge that no plane crashed into the Pentagon

reply to post by Gibonz

that because there is a photo of a mangled engine and airplane wheel proves a plane hit, when they could have easily been planted there.

How might that have been done? In broad daylight?

What, I guess some guy in a trench coat strolled through seconds after the 'missile attack' and pulled some landing gear, engine parts and fuselage chunks out from under that coat and dropped them on the ground?...

And no one noticed.

From what the OP has said so far there is little reason to suppose he was at the Pentagon on 9/12.

However, these guys were unquestionably at the Pentagon on 9/11 and they were calling in a plane crash. One officer identifies the plane as an " American Airlines plane headed east over the Pike ".

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by shortsticks

 

Don't know how I can convince the skeptics, but I do intend to try.

Well, for a start, instead of posting this on an internet conspiracy forum why don't you go to the Washington Post or the New York Times? Also, you can try and explain the photos of the plane parts and then explain why of all the dozens of persons on the site that day no one else ever mentioned that there were no plane parts. Are they all part of the conspiracy?

Bodies were removed from the site. A fully fueled airplane would have been full of explosive liquid that, when ignited by, say, a point-blank crash into a building, would vaporize anyone close enough to the blast.

There would only have been a few bodies.

Everything else you can look up.

reply to post by grey580


Yes,
But the anomalies keep cropping up. For instance, if that piece of wreckage is part of the 'American' logo it is right at the first front quarter of the plane high up, and maybe 24ft est. from the nose, and the heavy stuff, the engines behind it. The police witnesses, the good quality highway cameras, (I would allow for a minimal time for frames taken, if not full video, as opposed to the crap pentagon security footage) The FBI in minutes arriving at the petrol station, (as per the station manager, even though the footage is also crappy) the Sheraton cameras and film, and subsequent scrapping of that camera's placement.

reply to post by Alfie1


And we know for a fact that the officer wasn't bribed with his commission and family safety to tell a lie?

You'd be surprised what the Secret Service and CIA is willing to do to shut people up...

js

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by yeahright

 

Personally I think you should close this thread.
I'm thinking he's just trolling.

But in case he's not maybe he can show the mods the proof then you can reopen the thread for more comment.

After reading a little bit of the thread,

I am almost certain that this guy is related to Bernard Schnitzel.

Because I sure do not believe him.

We have seen this a thousand times before.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by shortsticks

 

This has been rehashed to no end.
And here on ATS there was an incredibly well researched post showing pictures of landing gear, wheel rims and parts of engine of the type used on that plane.

For me the burden of proof must pretty extensive and well researched to show that it was something other than a plane that hit the pentagon.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you will take a look at the post above you will see the thought and research that went into showing that a 757 did indeed hit the Pentagon.

Did someone come by and seed those 2 pieces of evidence after the crash?
I find that unlikely but if you can convince me otherwise I'm willing to listen.

So... what do you have?

Those pics of debris that could easily fit in the back of a truck are not enough to constitute the debris that SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE from an *entire* jetliner. The damage done to the Pentagon does not reflect that of a jetliner. Aluminum does not penetrate that far through STEEL-REINFORCED CONCRETE PILLARS. And if aluminum *does* penetrate that far through steel-reinforced-concrete, then why didn't the engines of the plane penetrate the wall, or for that matter, even leave marks? There was a *dramatic* lack of wreckage and human remains. The wreckage did not "vaporize." The human remains did not "vaporize." They simply were not there. When all else is eliminated, what remains, however improbable, is the truth: no jetliner hit the Pentagon.

If so, none of the footage would have been confiscated and classified.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Alfie1

 

And we know for a fact that the officer wasn't bribed with his commission and family safety to tell a lie?

You'd be surprised what the Secret Service and CIA is willing to do to shut people up...

js

Oh please. The number of people who are supposed to have said or not said something by reason of threats has already reached ludicrous levels and not one, anonymously or on their deathbed, has ever given anything away.

reply to post by Alfie1


That's because their surviving families will suffer for that last wag of the tongue...

No one wants their last thought to be, "Oops, I spilled it. Wonder what they'll do to my granddaughter now?"

Especially considering it's up to the surviving family to relate that confession to the public.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Gibonz

 

that because there is a photo of a mangled engine and airplane wheel proves a plane hit, when they could have easily been planted there.

How might that have been done? In broad daylight?

What, I guess some guy in a trench coat strolled through seconds after the 'missile attack' and pulled some landing gear, engine parts and fuselage chunks out from under that coat and dropped them on the ground?...

And no one noticed.

Have you ever even been to the Pentagon? Being former military, I have. All those windows... People inside the Pentagon are too busy to be staring out of the windows. And, had they been, what would they have seen? Yet another maintenance vehicle rolling by, and that would only have been seen if they'd been standing next to a window looking down, otherwise vision would be that of the distant lawn, not the immediate lawn near the building. Further, just like misdirection used in stage magic, everyone was looking in the other direction --at the World Trade Center.

So, a very resounding YES to evidence being deposited. Anyone questioning it would have been told it was for a training exercise. A nationwide military exercise was being conducted, after all, that very day, those very moments, a civilian/military exercise involving **HIJACKED AIRLINERS.**

Also, numerous eyewitnesses (Pentagon employees) state that a military aircraft like a C-130 flew low over the Pentago and then ascended away, adding confusion to the story about a plane hitting the Pentagon.

Originally posted by shortsticks


So now to the point. Yes I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there wasn't a plane that crashed into the Pentagon. We all know, or should know, that the angle of descent coupled with the speed and trajectory etc etc etc makes this impossible except for a missile of sorts. But what makes my account different is that I was there the day after. No, I wasn't there the day off or saw the rocket slam into the building. But I was stationed at Langley AFB Va, and was asked to come up to provide CISM to folks the next day. The clearance I had included all areas, including the debris collecting point. That's when I saw all the debris, and what was clearly lacking: any debris from an aircraft.

That's the gist. Take it or leave it. It's the truth, and my story. Should be easy to accept. In this day an age of misinfo galore on the internet, I hope you can find some solace that a real person is giving his real account. Don't know how I can convince the skeptics, but I do intend to try. To a point. Besides, most of our minds/hearts are already made up, aren't they?

Sorry that I'm late for the truther party. Dude? Really? There are hundreds upon hundreds of others that disagree with you. Go read "Firefight" and you will read about REAL people that were there.

More B.S.

reply to post by GhostLancer

And the police officers watching and identifying the plane as it flew low across the highway before crashing into the Pentagon? Did they just make it up? Or were they actually CIA agents that spent their career pretending to be cops just so they could be around to provide false reports to fool everyone?

Occam's Razor should be applied. After you have to start making up all these excuses to keep a conspiracy theory valid, it seems a bit crazy. And I mean that in the totally whackadoodle sense.

Here's something I composed a while ago, if you look at everything then there can't be any doubt that 911 was an inside job.

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9/11 Masterminds - Explosive Connections



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American Iraq Veterans Speak Out Against The War

Are they all rock fans? or are they illuminati hand signals?
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politicians, actors, famous people, etc. using the illuminati hand gesture



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911 In Wonderland Part 1 of 2 - 911 In Movies and Media Before September 11th
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2 of 4 Dark Stars(9/11 Synchronicities)

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Illuminati Controls Hollywood (watch all)



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Was Extra Equipment Attached To Flight 175? (The plane that struck the south Twin Tower on 9/11)
extra equipment on bottom of airplane, used in military aircraft, civilians wouldnt be allowed on a military aircraft


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Mysterious Deaths of 9/11 Witnesses (MUST SEE)

towers had three sections reinforced only the top would have collapsed

thermite- it was found in the world trade center dust, nano-thermite can burn at temperatures up to 5000 degrees melting steel




www.abovetopsecret.com... event of wtc 7

nano steel particles found form structure only possible from very high temperatures


Symbology of 9/11
flight 11
towers look like 11
911
9+1+1=11
11years to build
new york is the 11th colony
9/11 254th day of the year 2+5+4=11
111 days till the end of the year
flight 11 92 people on board 9+2=11
also had 11 crew on board
first tower collapsed at 10:28am 1+0+2+8=11
world trade centre 7 was 47 stories 4+7=11


explosives in building- many exposions were heard from inside the buildings before the collapses, there were no gas lines in the buildings.
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freefall speed- all buildings fell at freefall speed

pieces being thrown far distances from towers

pentagon
no airplane peices- no airplane pieces were found

pentagon has many cameras located outside of it, it took a long time for them to release footage from one camera barely showing the view where supposedly the plane hit

building 7 near towers fell at freefall speed explosions from the inside were heared and nothing hit it- no other building has ever fallen from office fires itself



Ball Object Seen Flying Over WTC on 9/11 Part 1 - New Uncovered Footage
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Bush Family Tree
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One Family, One Bloodline, One Rule


Symbology in music videos, movies, tv, buildings and citys, predictive programming
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KNOWING PT 2 of 3 (ILLUMINATI MOVIES)

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Knowing　2009　Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Synchronicity
predictive programming, false flag oil spill




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Illuminati Symbolism In Movies (NEW VERSION - MUST SEE ALL OF VIDEO!) - High Definition

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Adam Sandler-Zohan-Illuminati Hollywood

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1 of 4 Dark Stars(Illuminati in Hollywood)


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Symbology in architecture

What separates the truth from conspiracy, the unknown, planting wreckage creates a conspiracy, this is the first step in moving away from the truth, the confiscated footage is confiscated for a national conspiracy to exist, the conspiracy is part of the plan.

This confiscated footage, there as to be 1 frame, just 1 frame that would not be critical to national security that could show a plane close to the pentagon the pentagon could be blurred out? (what is the difference in the confiscated pictures/footage than photoshoped pictures)

Security from what? the enemy being able to see metal crashing into reinforced concrete?

reply to post by shortsticks

Yes I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there wasn't a plane that crashed into the Pentagon

Hell, I've known that for twelve years..

reply to post by sith9157


Technically, 11 and a third.

Also what about the molten steel that fell from the towers, normal fires couldn't have melted that.

reply to post by shortsticks


Might have been said before, but op...you have close to 400 posts. Yet you say that you don't know what the sentiment here on ATS is about 9-11 conspiracies.

Pure bull#.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by GhostLancer

 

And the police officers watching and identifying the plane as it flew low across the highway before crashing into the Pentagon? Did they just make it up? Or were they actually CIA agents that spent their career pretending to be cops just so they could be around to provide false reports to fool everyone?

Occam's Razor should be applied. After you have to start making up all these excuses to keep a conspiracy theory valid, it seems a bit crazy. And I mean that in the totally whackadoodle sense.

Don't fall into the pit of "Occam's Razor," or "KISS" (keep it simple *stupid*) because they are shortcuts to thinking that TPTB want you to use. They are saying that just because an idea or theory is more complicated than a simple explanation that it cannot be true. They want you to fall into the dance of ridiculing ideas that are "out of the box" and intelligent. They want you SIMPLE-minded, dumb, stupid and incapable of considering complicated/complex ideas and thoughts. They want you to ridicule those who do. You must understand this.

You say there are witnesses (police officers) who saw a plane hit? Well, I haven't seen their interviews. I'd like to. Maybe they just fell under the power of suggestion. You do realize that a lot of questioning (interrogations) of "witnesses" happened? You might want to know that FBI agents told people what they had seen, even people who saw no planes. Imagine how truly **spooky** of a moment that must be for someone, being TOLD by federal agents that you saw a plane hit ---when in fact you didn't, or weren't sure. They had people questioning their own memories. Memories are tricky things as you will learn when comparing different criminal accounts witnessed by a group of people. Details are different and memories change based on expectation and suggestion. A plane did not hit the Pentagon as the physical evidence (or lack thereof) suggests and screams. Anyone who saw a plane hit is either lying, mis-remembering or has succumbed to the power of suggestion and/or a psychological operations campaign.

If a plane had hit, there would be conclusive footage. Had a plane hit, footage would not still be classified. Had a plane hit, there would have been SIGNIFICANT debris, both material and human.

Why Is anyone even giving this person the time of day? Here's one for ya shorty, the powers that be will be contacting you shortly, shorty! You mentioned you were sent there to analyze and investigate. Let's see how your superiors like the fact that your posting this. Message has been sent and confirmed. Good luck explaining to them!