Why believe in alien existence and visitation?

reply to post by NoLoveInFear46and2


It is not a faith thing or wishful thinking. It is the only explination.

to quote Spock

Spock: If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

Originally posted by tallcool1

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If thousands of pilots , military personel , ex astronauts and others had claimed to have see GOD. I would be far more likely to believe in God. The fact these people claim to have seen UFO's that they believe come from another world is some evidence for for alien visitation. Enough for me to entertain the idea.

Why do so many believe in religion without a shred of evidence?

All we have "evidence" for is that these people think they have seen something that they can't explain. Just recently in the news was the report of the Air Canada pilot who injured 16 passengers while making a sudden dive to avoid an oncoming American C-17 cargo plane...which ended up just being Venus.
www.foxnews.com...

So, if these highly trusted pilots can mistake Venus for a C-17, they can most certainly be mistaken about aliens.

And, would you honestly change your opinion about God if a pilot claimed to have seen Him? Really...

Using fox news for a source of any information almost makes me want to discredit anything you have ever said, no offense.....

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by NoLoveInFear46and2

 

It is not a faith thing or wishful thinking. It is the only explination.

to quote Spock

Spock: If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

To cite the actual source of the quote, Sherlock Holmes.

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable , must be the truth

Even in this very thread, something is misidentified as having an alien origin, when in reality it is merely human.

I believe there is lots of life in space through the universe probably as close as Mars maybe at one point long ago, but i dont know if any intelligent life from another planet has visited earth. The distance needed to travel plus all the hazards its a rough trip. If any have visited earth it was probably long ago and few and far between.

Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose

Originally posted by tallcool1

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If thousands of pilots , military personel , ex astronauts and others had claimed to have see GOD. I would be far more likely to believe in God. The fact these people claim to have seen UFO's that they believe come from another world is some evidence for for alien visitation. Enough for me to entertain the idea.

Why do so many believe in religion without a shred of evidence?

All we have "evidence" for is that these people think they have seen something that they can't explain. Just recently in the news was the report of the Air Canada pilot who injured 16 passengers while making a sudden dive to avoid an oncoming American C-17 cargo plane...which ended up just being Venus.
www.foxnews.com...

So, if these highly trusted pilots can mistake Venus for a C-17, they can most certainly be mistaken about aliens.

And, would you honestly change your opinion about God if a pilot claimed to have seen Him? Really...

Using fox news for a source of any information almost makes me want to discredit anything you have ever said, no offense.....

Well - I just ate so I don't want to search for Anderson Cooper, Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Huffington Post or any other of those kind of shills and vomit all over my keyboard, so how about this source:
www.reuters.com...

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by jaws1975
reply to post by Furbs

 

There is no doubt that exists to a great degree, the question is though does it make UFO's any less real based on the physical evidence?

Would you ask me that if I showed you this piece of toast?

People see what they want to see. Their 'physical evidence' -never- stands up to scrutiny. If -anything- was -ever- able to be provably intelligently extraterrestrial, or divine for that matter, it would change the conversation from "Are they real?" to "What do they want?". The only place the latter is asked is in congregations of believers, like ATS.

Actually there is plenty of physical evidence that stands up to scrutiny, and the documentary that I referenced highlights a lot of the evidence.

Originally posted by jaws1975
Actually there is plenty of physical evidence that stands up to scrutiny, and the documentary that I referenced highlights a lot of the evidence.

I'm sorry, but this is where we are going to have to agree to disagree. In my opinion that documentary is not convincing beyond their need for a better sound mixer.

1. Infra-red UFOs.
2. Rods.
3. "Secret NASA footage".

None of this is substantial evidence of anything outside of there being things in the sky that man either cannot explain, or that the explanation doesn't sit well with everyone. Infra-red UFOs and Rods both have arguable (and in my opinion definitive) terrestrial explanations. As far as NASA covering up extraterrestrials.. Yup. Every single person at NASA is covering up the aliens.. because that is what would have to happen. Everyone would have to be in on it. And they aren't.

Understand the big picture: You--as one solitary individual--don't need to be a believer, merely somewhat informed.

That fact that you have been exposed and are familiar with the possibilities are the main factors to get you to accept without going running, screaming in the streets.
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The work of Carl Sagan was to do just that, to bmakie the public aware of what may be out there....if not here, if you are sensible enough to read and think for yourself about all of the accumulated UFO data and that data continues to arrive.

When the time times as they slowly open the blinds, as they just did with "rethinking" the results of the mid-1970s Viking lander "search for life experiments," then you will have been prepped and ready for the hard-hitting news of some sort of contact.

I wouldn't say that UFOs are "just" flying objects that are unidentified. The core of really good reports describe more than that. There are patterns of appearance and behavior that occur over and over again. That should be taken into account. Many reports describe machine-like objects or metallic objects that seem to be manufactured rather than naturally occurring. The objects often behave as though they are under intelligent control, and they appear to do things that no objects we know of are capable of doing. That's pretty much enough for me. Regardless of whether or not they're ET, these facts are interesting in and of themselves. I think these things probably exist. What they are, I'm not sure. But it's fascinating as hell.

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you heard it from Sherlock Holmes, I heard it from Spock. Not to mention Spock was half human on his mother's side. He kicked much more ass than Mr. Holmes.

I bet you are one of those guys that thinks that people can cut granite, and diorite with flimsy non hardened copper?

O.....K....

hey live long and prosper Mr. We came from apes that happened to mutate in a way no other creature on this planet ever has.

Originally posted by NoLoveInFear46and2
Hi there, I've been a long time believer in alien existence and visitation of planet Earth.
But recently, I've just given up the belief. I mean absolutly nothing leads me to believe in their existence.

Ufos are just that, unidentified flying objects. I have yet to see images of an interstellar being. And really just nothing else adds up to the possibility.

So I have one question ATS, to all you believers, what eveidence or proof leads you to believe in extraterrestrial life in the universe and furthermore, here on Earth?

I'd actually be glad if members could get me back on that wagon!

Peace and good day to you all!

I feel I am in the same boat as yourself, and tend to go with what has been said as far as most of the evidence is concerned.
However, don't feel "alienated" at the way you feel, you may be in good company. I found this little gem of a list. Some hard core respectable people in it:

www.examiner.com...

In addition, this site is interesting, full of lists, which can be entertaining if nothing else:

www.educatinghumanity.com...

Three quotes I found interesting:

"I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
-President Ronald Reagen (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.)

"Blue Book was now under direct orders to debunk...I remember the conversations around the conference table in which it was suggested that Walt Disney or some other educational cartoon producer be enlisted in the debunking process".
-Dr. J Allen Hyneck
Scientific Consultant to Blue Book

"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
-Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems

In summary, I think a belief in an extended life form(s) elsewhere in the universe is healthy; on the basis that not believing is unhealthy, and very narrow minded and egotistic. Just my view.

reply to post by Mufcutcakeyumyum

In summary, I think a belief in an extended life form(s) elsewhere in the universe is healthy; on the basis that not believing is unhealthy, and very narrow minded and egotistic. Just my view.

beyond that. It is a mathematical IMPOSSIBILITY for there NOT to be other life in the universe considering the amount of stars out there and the possible planets they may have in orbit. It can not ONLY happen here. If it happens once, it will happen again. No matter how you want to look at it, the math says there is life elsewhere. The argument becomes weather it can reach earth or not. Considering our relative youth as a somewhat advanced civilization we cannot begin to assume we know the true limitations to science and technology. Any one saying different is like one of those dumb people who argued the earth was the center of the universe or that it was flat.

They will be remembered for lacking vision and common sense. Nanu nanu mofo´s.

Any one thing wouldn't be enough to convince me, but taking everything as a whole, it seems to be the most plausible explanation. And I'm not just talking about modern day videos, photos, testimonies by the most credible people, military and government documents, radar hits etc., but also all of the ancient writings and art that corroborate many modern day phenomena. If you are looking for "proof", you probably won't find it, as only an ET meeting will be absolute proof, but If you are looking for evidence, then there are literally mountains worth of it.

reply to post by TurkeyTots

Now, if those beings do indeed exist and were indeed visiting Earth, I think we would know more about it. From a logical perspective, there's not much to gain for an alien race by flying around at night, flashing lights in the sky, letting a select few view their presence while remaining hidden from the mass public

A select few you say, there have been millions upon millions of sighting worldwide and not just out in the country somewhere. The reported sightings boggle the mind and imagine how many more are not reported, especially the sightings reported to the military who are not telling us anything.

I have had three sightings all up close, one of them by multiple witnesses in a suburb of Detroit just before dark barely above the tree tops and about the size of a couple of football fields.

Have you watched any of the Disclosure Projects at National Press Club in Washington, D.C.? There is plently of anecdotal and circumstantial evidence out there if you're willing to look for it.

www.disclosureproject.org...

Originally posted by NoLoveInFear46and2
Hi there, I've been a long time believer in alien existence and visitation of planet Earth.
But recently, I've just given up the belief. I mean absolutly nothing leads me to believe in their existence.

Ufos are just that, unidentified flying objects. I have yet to see images of an interstellar being. And really just nothing else adds up to the possibility.

So I have one question ATS, to all you believers, what eveidence or proof leads you to believe in extraterrestrial life in the universe and furthermore, here on Earth?

I'd actually be glad if members could get me back on that wagon!

Peace and good day to you all!

My first question would be, what led you to previously believe if absolutely nothing makes you believe now?

I did not believe, growing up watching people who were in a trance and going through an experience they claimed to have had, with large amounts of emotions. It does not matter if a believable person tells me with conviction or with much emotion because we are talking about aliens coming into their bedroom at night - just something that can never happen because we don't live in a fantasy land. I met a girl from a magician and lived with her, she told me of a strange experience she had. After getting to know so many detials I believed it could happen, I started to believe she was abducted because I had an alien dream about her before she told me and before I could have any sort of opinions. The dreams we were having together ended up being in a book, I was not in the book but when I saw that book I was in complete amazement that our complex situation has happened to other people, which surely reveals the truth. Without doing any research I could see a real thing happened. Police officers were telling Linda Howe in '79 that little green were coming down and picking up cattle from the prairies at night, it turns out they were correct.

Originally posted by Furbs
Would you ask me that if I showed you this piece of toast?

People see what they want to see. Their 'physical evidence' -never- stands up to scrutiny. If -anything- was -ever- able to be provably intelligently extraterrestrial, or divine for that matter, it would change the conversation from "Are they real?" to "What do they want?". The only place the latter is asked is in congregations of believers, like ATS.

Lol it's a piece of toast with the face of Jesus on it. You're so right.

In fact, at this stage in the "game",
anyone asking the question "are we alone" or
saying "we are the only thinking beings in our galaxy"
is IMHO
bordering on idiocy.

INFORM YOURSELF.

Try and conceptualize the size of our galaxy,
and our place within it.
We are one dot among billions of others,
and the only thing special about it
is that WE are here.

If interstellar travel exists,
it will be a hugely protected piece of tech,
and much coveted by those who don't have it
and are aware of it.
If our alleged visitors are elusive,
this is most likely why.
The jump in physics to attain this feat,
is a huge one compared with what we have attained to date,
and many entities may never achieve it.
The ultimate cosmic holy grail.
Once discovered would have profound consequences
for the society involved.

Also, there are most likely civilizations out there
millions of years in advance of us.
We do not know what dark energy and dark matter are,
yet other civilizations may have interstellar travel and advanced technology
on science derived from this.
Literally anything is possible,
given sufficient time and motivation.
Open your mind.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by Furbs

 

you heard it from Sherlock Holmes, I heard it from Spock. Not to mention Spock was half human on his mother's side. He kicked much more ass than Mr. Holmes.

I bet you are one of those guys that thinks that people can cut granite, and diorite with flimsy non hardened copper?

O.....K....

hey live long and prosper Mr. We came from apes that happened to mutate in a way no other creature on this planet ever has.

edit on 18-4-2012 by BIHOTZ because: (no reason given)

Not only can humans cut granite with copper, I have done it.

Read Denys Stocks' report, "Testing Ancient Egyptian Granite-Working Methods in Aswan, Upper Egypt".

But this is neither here nor there, and I doubt you will even look it up, since you seem to get your media from television, hence your particular brand of ignorance.

i believe because of sources like bashar!

The reason to believe anything is to reconcile incomplete evidence by forming a hypothesis. I don't think it is any different with alien visitation.

There are events that are hard to explain, so a hypothesis is presented. Further evidence may support the hypothesis.

A hypothesis that postulates the existence of a new entity is not falsifiable, but can be confirmed. In science we are used to hypotheses that are falsifiable, because those are the ones one can prove or disprove. However, to disprove aliens we would have to search everywhere, or setup radars everywhere, and establish a trusted line of evidence from every source everywhere.

Clearly this is unfeasible, so one is left with belief until it can be confirmed.

My reason to believe is that there is enough evidence to be intriguing on the subject, pilot encounters for example, cases with radar sighting. And in those cases the two possibilities left are 1. Man made technology that seems far disconnected from anything known, yet at least some part of the military seems not to know about it, and it is not operating under what one would consider restricted airspace (hence taking away from the possibility that it is man made) or... alien.

So we have a lot of events that clearly demonstrate technology that is well beyond what is currently assumed state of the art, and such technology is operated somehow in public airspace. This should not be congruent with secret man made, although I suppose it could be.

Belief implies lack of certainty, but entertaining a possibility.

This undecided state of knowledge seems to be very difficult for most people to handle, especially when they have been validated by their knowledge their entire lives and base their ego on absolute knowledge.

-rrr