U.S. Standard of Living Has Fallen More Than 50%

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Paradise or Oblivion - new documentary by The Venus Project,

This has always been the answer. Now we have the techology to progress to a level 1 or 2 cosmic civilization, so its not like the natives lived. But they lived in a free moneyless resource based society for thousands upon thousands of years. We have very good clean technology however.

In fact anything other than this and abundance, without forcing anyone to be a slave to your business, is Illegal, violating the very basic common law of No Harm. Slavery is massive crimes against humanity.


Paradise or Oblivion (28 language subtitles)

Running a system of scarsity to have traumatized, divided, broken people vulnerable to your domination, is OBSCENE and they need to be arrested. They have countless blood and suffering on their hands.

I blame them for every single crime, every murder you hear about, all the rapes, all the crimes in inner cities and poor neighborhoods, all the injustices.

In abundance, equality and healing there may be some crimes, but they would be vastly reduced, for the people would be happy and non traumatized. And empowered with voices.

We are the ones we are waiting for. We're the ones here, and the leadership needs to be shared by all of us, co-contributing. EQUALITY AND FREEDOM WEDDED TOGETHER.


Fishing in the Phoenix Earthship

These homes are made with recycled items, require no heating or cooling (though some including me would need some extra energy devices), create their own electricity/power, grow food, and there is absolutely no reason that every single person on this planet does not have their own tax free land, and farms, and lives like this. Some say we all fit in Australia, on 1/3 acre, some say we don't.

Well we all fit in Canada on more than a 1/3 acre, that is for sure, yet we're really all spread out.

There is no excuse.

The solutions have always existed.

When you live in an artifiical system, with billions starving, a child dying every other second of hunger related issues, WHEN THE SOLUTIONS ALWAYS EXISTED AND ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO WAS DROP YOUR POLITICAL ISMS, THEN THIS IS MASSIVE CRIMES. THESE ARE MURDERS.

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No Matter What Your Politics, Why Is Anyone Living In Poverty?

If people wake up and drop their useless opinions, everyone could be fed, clothed, and housed within months, living in beauty and sustainable.

So, it seems that tryanny has a big following. Its people who need to wake up and stop killing others or depriving them of their BIRTHRIGHT TO LAND AND RESOURCES FOR THEY ARE ALL CO-OWNERS OF THIS PLANET.

reply to post by Unity_99


Where not a Type 1 Civilization... so... Not sure where you got that...?

As for why people are hungry/poor, again, it's because we live on a planet where people don't look after each other... simple... no form of governance or technology will intrinsically change that reality.

There's no simple solution to this stuff man, you need to think more deeply about these things...

reply to post by Leftist

Things won't get better until a stake is driven through the heart of the corrupt capitalist system and people learn to deal with the environment well and control their birthrates. None of these things seem to be even remotely close to happening.

Good find, and great spin.

We do not live under a capitalistic society... not any more. We did, but since 1970 that has been slowly giving way to a perverted mix of capitalism, corporatism, and socialism that is completely unworkable. Your figures point that out very well, but your allusion to the root cause being an economic system we are not under but was under before the problem is laughable.

Whereas capitalism's faults can be well-handled with a mix of socialistic programs, too much or too little socialism spoils the entire system. Anti-trust legislation is one of those socialistic controls needed to make capitalism work, but we no longer enforce such. Entitlement programs are one of the methods of socialism that tends to cause capitalism to run awry, but we continue to embrace it, and indeed scream for more.

Please...if you want to decry any economic system, use a country that actually exists under that system as your example. Maybe the USSR, which actually practiced communism, could teach us a few lessons on what we need to do... oh, wait, they did. They showed us how to destroy ability, productivity, standards of living, equality, and eventually the country itself.

Think about it: if the economy peaked in 1970, why not go back to doing what we did before 1970?

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


You should watch Pandora's Box:

archive.org...

It's long, but is NOT a conspiracy thing, it's a great documentary about what REALLY happened to the USSR.. Socialism/Communism didn't REALLY fail as advertised... instead it was co-opted by Technocrats...

It's very interesting and VERY illuminating...

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Leftist

 

Maybe the US is getting poorer because other parts of the world are becoming richer. That might not be a bad thing either...

Nice thought, but it's not happening.

I do not believe that poverty is on the decline globally.

Look at the structure of our societies, the economic structure. Everything flows UP. That is the problem.

There should be no corporation on Earth making profits right now. Not one of them should be able to claim that they are making billions, and yet they still are. This is because the money flows up, not down. It goes up and it is then hoarded, and used in the casinos by the biggest names.

This is an ongoing extraction of wealth from those in society to those above it.

Money and wealth is a finite resource at any given time. Just as would happen if people were hoarding water, a few have it all, and the trickle up continues. And it will continue this way until there is no money left.

In fact, we've already gone past that point with the bailouts. That is a sign that all the wealth is already concentrated in the hands of the hoarders. The supply ran too low for the system because it was all in the hands of a few.

The biggest mistakes our governments made was giving that "stimulus" to the people who already have it all hoarded. They just dumped it on the pile.

They should have given it to the lowest rung of the ladder and allowed it to climb. While creating preventative measures (through taxation of the hoarders) to prevent them from being able to hard the resource again in the future.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Poverty is ABSOLUTELY on decline globally.

en.wikipedia.org...

siteresources.worldbank.org...

The rate of absolute poverty has decreased DRAMATICALLY in the last three decades.

- 14% of the population of the developing world lived below $1 a day in 2008—801 million people—down from 31% in 1990 and 42% in 1981.

- 43% lived below $2 a day in 2008 (2.47 billion); 65% in 1990; 70% in 1981.

So lets all try and stay rational here.

Do you see the correlation between drop of real wages and onset of neoliberal economic dogma?

Experience from (formerly) well developed Central European country:

Cons:
No possibility of foreign travel.
Western goods not on market and if than as part of shadow economy.
Mind policing of various forms - but other forms of intellectual oppression and blockade works in Western societies also.

Pros:
At late eighties there was quite high standard of living for almost everybody.
There was NO real poverty. No homeless, no problems with nutrition.
Quality of food was much better and food production was under constant quality control.
Education was fully state supported. No need to buy virtually any school proprieties till University. (some, really very small minority of people was excluded from university education for political reasons).
State budget was in surplus.
There was vast manufacturing base from metalurgy, through heavy machinery and chemical industry, precision metal works, electronics, ...
We were food sufficient.
Food production was highly localized (no senseless transports of "water", no logistic facilities, no overuse of highways).
There was railway network of highest density in the world. Railway transport need less energy than car transport hence lower dependance on foreign energy sources, lower pollution - it is little bit slower for sure.
Healthcare was free for everybody, network of medical facilities was dense, quality of care was comparable (something better something not) with Western Europe standards.
ALL MANUFACTURING AND LAND WAS IN CZECHOSLOVAK HANDS (it is more complicated, because of our Moscow satellite status).

Now is our industry destroyed or in foreign hands. Our land is sold to some corporate bastards - hey Germans, Austrians, any foreign INDIVIDUALs who want to develop farmland, please come and by our land. Better German farmer than multinational faceless ghost.

Call it capitalism or any other name: our economic situation has rapidly declined from onset of this "capitalism".

We were in perfect situation to start free, liberal republic without propaganda BS, where main form of ownership of means of production would be cooperatives. NO everything was sold for fraction of value to gangsters in ties. Our politics is farce between Washington and EU clans.
The ideology behind, the new propaganda face: economic NEOLIBERALISM and NEOCONSERVATIVE babel of leading role of USA under flag of Israel.

May be this is not capitalism (but it HAVE every property, Marx described), but for sure IT IS BAD, it is straight way to hell.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


Are you missing the obvious, or do those stats include inflation adjusting in the mix

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

Poverty is ABSOLUTELY on decline globally.

en.wikipedia.org...

siteresources.worldbank.org...

The rate of absolute poverty has decreased DRAMATICALLY in the last three decades.

- 14% of the population of the developing world lived below $1 a day in 2008—801 million people—down from 31% in 1990 and 42% in 1981.

- 43% lived below $2 a day in 2008 (2.47 billion); 65% in 1990; 70% in 1981.

So lets all try and stay rational here.

edit on 17-4-2012 by captainnotsoobvious because: (no reason given)

Is this 1$ measure cleaned of inflation? I do not think so. BTW citing World bank as relevant source on this issue is slap into face of all alterglobalisation movement. It is like citing US official numbers on unemployment.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


Yes, let's be rational. Stop looking at useless data like how much $ people are making, and focus on studies of actual living condition etc.

Why do you think old Hunter S. stopped searching?

Of course our standard of living will never fall as low as that of communist countries. Cyprus is the latest example. 10 years ago a thriving meditarranean paradise but since the socialists took over the place is run down. They even have regular electricity fallouts now.

Oh but its tax day, so all the money the irs takes from us will be used to increase our standard of living. LOL. Yeah right, can we agree taxes are theft?

Originally posted by Lord Jules
Oh but its tax day, so all the money the irs takes from us will be used to increase our standard of living. LOL. Yeah right, can we agree taxes are theft?

No.

Taxes aren't theft any more than you driving on a road you didn't pay for is theft.

Originally posted by lucid eyes
Of course our standard of living will never fall as low as that of communist countries. Cyprus is the latest example. 10 years ago a thriving meditarranean paradise but since the socialists took over the place is run down. They even have regular electricity fallouts now.

You probably did not read my post. In one of most developed former "communist" countries standard of living declined! after transition to "capitalism". You are just parroting propaganda.

reply to post by unityemissions


Go check the report's data and get back to me.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


I think Fulford is giving us the blueprints and being the dummies we are, we're throwing rocks at the poor guy.

Ever see "They Live"? Notice how 'ol Ben and the bearded man look a lot like?

Hell, their message is a mash-up of Fulford and Alex Jones!

What does John Carpenter know? Hmm.

reply to post by JanAmosComenius


An exciting way to find out would be to check the data.

Try that.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


I did. The world bank document does say it's adjusted for inflation, but again...this source is the world bank.

As a previous poster stated, it should be about as credible as the employment rate officially recorded in the United States.

Do you trust the government to tell it's citizens the true employment or inflation rates I'm sincerely curious.

It would be interesting to compare the supposed income increase vs debt/taxation increase over the same period, don't ya think?