Moon Deception the veil is lifting!!!!

Originally posted by Trublbrwing

What in the world makes you think you're qualified to make that statement?

That would be the color of the photos.

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
The "horned" moon you talk about--presumably the same as being "lit from the bottom" is the "winter" moon. It's that way because of the tilt of the Earth in winter. I think many more people would have noticed if it were that way 10 months out of the year. That doesn't seem right by any stretch.

It would be very helpful if we had captions--at least the dates of the photos. It would allow us to back through Stellarium from the point of view of Dublin for those dates and see if there actually IS anything funny.

First, thank you for being courteous. I don't mind debate, I just hate the juvenile arguments. I will post two photos here, one is the original photo and the other is a labeled map of the Moon. On both I have painted the surface feature known as "Mare Fecunditatis" so there is a point of reference. Take note of the location of that red dot, it should not move that far.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by Trublbrwing

What in the world makes you think you're qualified to make that statement?

That would be the color of the photos.

edit on 4/17/2012 by eNumbra because: (no reason given)

Since you guys can't understand the concept of axial tilt I'm certainly not going to try and explain sunlight, shadow, air quality, smog, haze or any of the other variables in that image.

Originally posted by Trublbrwing

it should not move that far.

It doesn't move at all. Look at it in relation to the shadowed portion of the moon.

It's a trick of perspective.

Originally posted by Puresk1lls
reply to post by Trublbrwing

 

the moon gives me spirit.

I'm happy to hear it, right now it's giving me a headache.

Originally posted by Trublbrwing


Since you guys can't understand the concept of axial tilt I'm certainly not going to try and explain sunlight, shadow, air quality, smog, haze or any of the other variables in that image.

For the shadow to remain where it is, in relation to the earth side faces topography the sun would have to be moving as well.

But I would love to hear your lecture on how sunlight, shadow, smog and haze does anything BUT support the fact that those images aren't taken at the same time each night.

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Sorry to ruin the party, but what you are purporting to be a change in the moon's position is not true atall.

I can prove this at the next full moon!

You have all seen the face in the moon, have you not? Well when I look up at the full moon the face is still there; exactly as it has been for thousands and I expect millions of years. It has not changed atall.

Any of you can prove this to yourselves by looking up at the moon next full moon. You will see the face just as it has always been; just like our ancesters saw all those years ago.

I had to write this. I could not believe the naivity of people commenting on this thread.

You silly ones, when will you learn to not just take things at face value. Think, think, think!

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by Trublbrwing
I hope you are just trying to help here because if you're trying to debunk it by saying "the photos the OP posted only show the Moon rotating...180 degrees" it isn't helping you.

No, it isnt helping you because you still arent understanding the fundamental issue.
In 12 hours the earth rotates 180 degrees.
In those 12 hours, your head is now pointing 180 degrees in space in a different direction.
In those 12 hours, your view of ANYTHING in space is rotated 180 degrees.

So when I see the Moon at 1am and take a photo all I have to do is wait 12 hours until 1pm and take another picture so I can compare the two?
NEXT.

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Wow.
That is absolutely one of the most ridiculous theories I have ever heard on this subject, and I've heard a lot.

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I understand what everyone was trying to explain about the shadows and light source, blah, blah, blah. But I was also wondering if everyone was blind(not OP), because to me right away you could see that the surface craters have shifted. Thanks OP for the picture explanation, that about summed up what I saw in your first picture as well. Adding the moon map in red, and the dots helps. The moon looks shifted to me too. Apparently, pics or it didn't happen does not work here...

Originally posted by Trublbrwing
Well, well, well. It seems after MANY months of hard work and endless searches the photographic evidence proving a shift in the appearance of the Moon are here. These images were taken between November 2011 and April 1 2012 in Dublin Ireland and they CLEARLY show the Moon doing things it's not supposed to do. There are at least three other sets where people with decent camera equipment have been documenting this for more than a year but this one is the best way to show it all at once.

This thread seems to be a hoax. From the title thru to the pictures posted? I don't see why you would create a hoax like this?

Your title is ridiculous. You provide no evidence for any claim you are making.

'many months of hard work' you state.

what the hell are you talking about? you lifted some pics from a guys photo collection and made up a complete crock of BS.

It is essiantial that folks read what the person who uploaded these pics has to say ;

I've just checked my daily stats for this collage of my moon photos. I don't know who posted it it on abovetopsecret.com .... or even what that website is for that matter. For your information. the shots were taken pretty much daily and are just a screen shot of the collection as they appear on my Set summary on Flickr. I don't see anything weird going on on the moon. The shots were taken sequentually (weather permitting) at different times and therefore they appear at different angles and different phases. Anyone who tries to read deeper into them has a fertile imagination. Thanks for all the attention but the image here is supposed to be arty..... ye know... all pretty like!

Link to Photos
(much thanks to the guy for leaving comments to clarify situation)

THis is a goddam art project for the guy. Yet you managed to come up with some baloney story??

What are you playing at?

HOAX BIN ASAP.

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Haha that quote from him is hilarious.


BUT he's obviously a paid disinfo agent shill!.......



Right OP?

Originally posted by Shadowalker
you need to fix the link and at least describe what the premise of your report is.

Just sayin. Its hard to figure out what this is all about.

Hi there.. I am going to say that I believe the point is, that the moon was always known to be stationary, but within the pics, if they are being taken from the same spot, then the moon would always look the same.. I have noticed that the dark spots on the moon have moved to different places when they should be in the same spot as always. Meh, maybe the man in the moon is getting bed sores and has to move around abit.. THats my opinion.. thx for reading.

It cannot be truly scientific without taking pictures from the same place for an entire year.....

Anybody noticed the sudden lack of 'second sun' stories ? This is not the first claim of odd lunar behaviour I have seen recently, Moon stories must be the new successor.
Wonder what it will be next year, a planet changing colour or orbital direction maybe?

reply to post by Trublbrwing

So when I see the Moon at 1am and take a photo all I have to do is wait 12 hours until 1pm and take another picture so I can compare the two?

Pretty much. Try this: go out at moonrise and note the inclination of the Moon relative to the horizon. Go back out at moonset and notice the angle relative to the horizon. It will appear to have rotated. (The Moon should be rising at about four in the morning, and setting around four in the afternoon today, 17 April, 2012.) Please, please try it. Once you have, you will understand that the apparent "tilt"of the Moon changes throughout the day/night, and the explanation you have been given is correct.

You know what amazes me?

The number of people that are so blinded by how smart they think they are, that they cannot fathom what the OP is trying to say.

The OP knows how the moon is supposed to look through the night and throughout the monthly cycle. What the OP is trying to highlight is that the dark areas of the moon are in different positions to where they should be. Granted the many images provided, as interesting as they are, fail to emphasise a point of reference sufficiently enough to prove the point of the thread. The addition of the red dot is helpful but still found wanting.

Perhaps it may become more apparent if put like this:

Compare the dark areas of a full moon at midnight over a period of a few months and notice the drastically different locations of those dark areas. These dark areas should always be in roughly the same spot from our perspective. For example, here in Australia the dark areas always face North, whether at dawn, midnight or dusk and also whether the moon phase is First, Last or Full (and presumably even when it's New!). This is also despite the fact that the moon at dusk is the upside down version of the moon at dawn. The dark areas always face north.

Incidentally, I have monitored the moon for a year or two now and despite suspecting something was up early on (which is what prompted me to begin monitoring it), have yet to notice anything significantly unusual. I just felt that too many science know-it-all's were not giving the OP the consideration warranted before the predictable attempt to "Re-educate" was initiated.

OK, let the "re-education process" resume!

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Don't be an idiot:

www.newscientist.com...

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en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Trublbrwing

Originally posted by 31Bravo
reply to post by Hawking

 

seriously.

On topic: I am taking astronomy, and the moon was the beginning chapter and it emphasizes perception from Earth.. I have no idea what the point of this OP is. Nothing is 'wrong' with the moon imo.. well, besides the bases and structures on the moon

edit on 16-4-2012 by 31Bravo because: (no reason given)

When you get to chapter two or three pay attention because they will explain how the same side of the Moon is always visible and how it moves SLIGHTLY during the month because of libration. They might also cover how your location on Earth determines how the Moon looks and how those in the Northern hemisphere should not see the Moon lit from the bottom ten months out of the year. Bring a hi lighter so we don't have to go over this again in two months.

Wrong OP. Firstly, you need to start backing up your claims better in your OPs because all you have been doing is telling people to leave your thread if they don't agree with your un-scientifical claims when all it is is simply you do not understand what YOU are even talking about. Reading ATS, or any other loosley based stories about the moon acting funny isn't the way to educate yourself. I'm not a theoretical physicist or an astronomer.. but I know how to search for information and I educate myself by taking classes on things I don't understand. The Phases of the Moon

The degree of synchronization is not perfect for two reasons. First, the Moon's orbit is elliptical rather than circular, so that the Moon's orbital speed is faster at perigee and slower at apogee. This mis-match in the exact orbital and rotation rates results in an apparent east-west "rocking" motion of the Moon by about 7.9 degress over the course of a month. The second is that the axis of the moon's rotation is tilted by about 7 degrees relative to its orbital plane (like the Earth's 23.5 degrees). This leads to an additional north-south nodding motion over the course of a month. The combined rocking and nodding motion motion is called "libration". You can see libration in the lunation movie below.